New shows setlist discussion

[Jonas01]

On 4.11.2017 at 11:03 AM, Thatsername said:

And 4.: They record a live-DVD there 🙏

Live DVD + live album produced by Eagle Rock would have been something. But no it won't happen  

[Hermione]

4 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Not gonna happen but what about a setlist without any songs off Dookie or AI? Considering they are GD's landmark albums and most of the songs from these records make it to the live sets, so here we go:

 

I support this concept! I enjoy a traditional GD show but actually the songs with the most entertaining traditions are mostly on other albums, and there are a lot of songs from Dookie and AI that could easily be replaced as far as what they bring to the show with other songs. Somehow even without the two most played albums the setlist you've written still seems very familiar and traditional! I know they won't do it but they totally could.

[pieterv]

4 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Not gonna happen but what about a setlist without any songs off Dookie or AI? Considering they are GD's landmark albums and most of the songs from these records make it to the live sets, so here we go:

I like how you still chucked Welcome To Paradise in there because you technically could and that song is just too good to pass up 
The intro is my default soundcheck when picking up a guitar

[MillenniumFan]

5 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Not gonna happen but what about a setlist without any songs off Dookie or AI? Considering they are GD's landmark albums and most of the songs from these records make it to the live sets, so here we go

They'd have to start playing longer sets again for your setlist, which at them moment they seem unwilling to do...

[Eric]

5 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Not gonna happen but what about a setlist without any songs off Dookie or AI? Considering they are GD's landmark albums and most of the songs from these records make it to the live sets, so here we go:

1. Bang Bang

2. Revolution Radio

3. Welcome To Paradise

4. Say Goodbye

5. Know Your Enemy

6. 99 Revolutions

7. Static Age

8. Outlaws

9. Bouncing Off The Wall

10. Stuck With Me

11. 16

12. Brain Stew

13. Jaded

14. Take Back

15. Armatage Shanks

16. At The Library

17. 2000 Light Years Away

18. Carpe Diem

19. Hitchin' A Ride

20. Nice Guys Finish Last

21. Castaway

22. Minority

23. Waiting

24. No One Knows

25. Youngblood

26. Troubled Times

27. 21 Guns

28. American Eulogy

29. Still Breathing

30. Scattered

31. Too Dumb To Die

32. Ordinary World

ENCORE:

33. Somewhere Now

34. Song Of The Century / 21st Century Breakdown

35. East Jesus Nowhere

36. Only Of You

37. Forever Now

38. Good Riddance

Nice sneaking Welcome To Paradise in there..... I be so down to go to a show without having Dookie and Ai songs  if only it was possible.

[pouty bitch]

8 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Not gonna happen but what about a setlist without any songs off Dookie or AI? Considering they are GD's landmark albums and most of the songs from these records make it to the live sets, so here we go:

I would give anything to hear Take Back, No One Knows and American Eulogy all in one show.

[St. Jonny]

Super shame the whole tour couldn't have had a couple deep cut slots to switch up like there seems to be now. Insomniac needs at least one song I mean, it's Insomniac!

[UNICORN VOMIT]

2 hours ago, St. Jonny said:

Super shame the whole tour couldn't have had a couple deep cut slots to switch up like there seems to be now. Insomniac needs at least one song I mean, it's Insomniac!

Proves they still can do it

[TimmyChunks]

2 hours ago, SHART said:

Proves they still can do it

Oh yes they sure can- they ripped through a bunch of awesome old rarities at the Webster show only a year ago, which was amazing. And then they completely went back to the standard setlist on the bigger tour this year. I'm the first to say that I loved this tour and enjoyed every moment, but after living the experience at Webster when they did this mid-set: Private Ale, Armatage Shanks, Stuart and the Ave., 409 in Your Coffeemaker, Brat, One of My Lies, Christie Road, Burnout, Nice Guys Finish Last, Scattered...before jumping back into the main setlist again, well, that kind of ruined the rest of the tour for me. And every one of those songs were played brilliantly. They can do it for sure- for some strange reason they just want to torture us 

[gaslight13]

15 hours ago, Hermione said:

I can see why they'd want to play some different songs as the tour goes on, it's cool and probably for themselves as much as anything. But as far as how enjoyable it actually is to be at the show a couple of different songs played makes very little difference to the overall experience. They're still playing a load of entertaining Green Day songs either way, and I still think it's crazy how much importance is put on a few songs on a setlist here as if it's the difference between the greatest show ever and crap not worth buying a ticket for  

The way I see it is sort of like this. Green Day made the album Dookie, right?  I'm assuming most of us love that album? Now let's say it's 1995 and we're excited for the next record because again, we loved the last one. And then release day comes and it's the same. exact. record. We can hardly say we hate it. Of course we don't. It's fantastic. But we heard it already. And while we'll gladly listen to it again, we were hoping for something different. Something to give us a reason to buy it because we already have the last one. 

In other words...
When they make this standard set list. We go to a show and we love it. It's great. We're so stoked and can't wait to hear what's next. And then we come back the next day, or the next leg of the tour, or the next year, and it's the same. exact. set list. Again, we can't say we hate it. We love those songs. But we've seen them live already. And while we'll gladly see them again, we were hoping for something different. Something to give us a reason to go to another show.  

[MillenniumFan]

2 hours ago, TimmyChunks said:

Well, that kind of ruined the rest of the tour for me. And every one of those songs were played brilliantly. They can do it for sure- for some strange reason they just want to torture us 

Same for me!

[gd86arg]

They played Stuck With Me, Geek Stink Breath and Nice Guys Finish Last in Chile in 2010 too. 

[Hermione]

6 hours ago, gaslight13 said:

The way I see it is sort of like this. Green Day made the album Dookie, right?  I'm assuming most of us love that album? Now let's say it's 1995 and we're excited for the next record because again, we loved the last one. And then release day comes and it's the same. exact. record. We can hardly say we hate it. Of course we don't. It's fantastic. But we heard it already. And while we'll gladly listen to it again, we were hoping for something different. Something to give us a reason to buy it because we already have the last one. 

In other words...
When they make this standard set list. We go to a show and we love it. It's great. We're so stoked and can't wait to hear what's next. And then we come back the next day, or the next leg of the tour, or the next year, and it's the same. exact. set list. Again, we can't say we hate it. We love those songs. But we've seen them live already. And while we'll gladly see them again, we were hoping for something different. Something to give us a reason to go to another show.  

Ehh albums and shows are two very different things to me. Right back to the early days they've always played mostly a standard setlist at shows and just made small changes each time a new album was out. It's always been their chosen style of performance to put together a show and then tour it around and then gradually build on it over the years rather than play vastly different setlists night to night or tour to tour. If you'd prefer varied setlists fair enough. But that's just never been their style, so I don't get the excessive complaining about it on GDC now as if it's a new thing. Some bands prefer to have unstructured shows with varied setlists, some bands prefer to have more structure and to stick with a perfected setlist, Green Day happens to be in the second category and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Also I have to say again that having already been to 5 GD shows since 2009 (which isn't as many as the tiny minority who go to multiple shows per tour but is definitely more than the majority of people at any given show), I saw 9 songs I'd never seen before at my show this year. I don't think that's too bad!

[gaslight13]

3 hours ago, Hermione said:

Ehh albums and shows are two very different things to me. Right back to the early days they've always played mostly a standard setlist at shows and just made small changes each time a new album was out. It's always been their chosen style of performance to put together a show and then tour it around and then gradually build on it over the years rather than play vastly different setlists night to night or tour to tour. If you'd prefer varied setlists fair enough. But that's just never been their style, so I don't get the excessive complaining about it on GDC now as if it's a new thing. Some bands prefer to have unstructured shows with varied setlists, some bands prefer to have more structure and to stick with a perfected setlist, Green Day happens to be in the second category and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Also I have to say again that having already been to 5 GD shows since 2009 (which isn't as many as the tiny minority who go to multiple shows per tour but is definitely more than the majority of people at any given show), I saw 9 songs I'd never seen before at my show this year. I don't think that's too bad!

The analogy isn’t really meant to say they’re exactly the same, it’s more to help in understanding why someone would want a different set even if they still think the repeated one is really good.

i see your point about how this is nothing new, and yes everyone has their preferred style of performance, but the frustration, for me, comes from feeling they’re selling themselves short. And it comes from a place of loving so many of their songs that you can’t even find a live video to online let alone see it at a show you’re at. They don’t need to change the whole thing every night. All I wish they’d do is what they’re doing right now in South America. Making a few changes per night so that show you were at feels special.  And just from a business standpoint I think the way they do it hurts them. 

[Hermione]

42 minutes ago, gaslight13 said:

The analogy isn’t really meant to say they’re exactly the same, it’s more to help in understanding why someone would want a different set even if they still think the repeated one is really good.

i see your point about how this is nothing new, and yes everyone has their preferred style of performance, but the frustration, for me, comes from feeling they’re selling themselves short. And it comes from a place of loving so many of their songs that you can’t even find a live video to online let alone see it at a show you’re at. They don’t need to change the whole thing every night. All I wish they’d do is what they’re doing right now in South America. Making a few changes per night so that show you were at feels special.  And just from a business standpoint I think the way they do it hurts them. 

I see your point but to me there's so many other things that make a show unique and special, the setlist is only one small detail. A few small changes like you describe would be cool, but it's not the be all and end all. 

I don't think it hurts them business wise as the majority of the audience hasn't seen them multiple times or studied previous setlists, and most will want to see the hits/the songs they're famous for playing. People who go to multiple shows will always be a minority, and as far as I can see plenty of them are still going anyway. They're not known as being great live because of varied setlists as some bands are so I don't think it's an important selling point for them, putting on a really tight well put together show that's designed to be entertaining and spectacular and involve the crowd is what matters for them.

[Jonas01]

I think this is as close as you get to the perfect setlist:

21st Century Breakdown

Bang bang 

East Jesus Nowhere

Viva La Gloria

Iron Man/ Sweet Child O Mine / Crazy Train / Rock n roll (Short covers like the 21ST CB tour)

Longview

Welcome to Paradise

When i come around

Brain Stew

Hitchin a ride

Minority

Waiting

Going to pasalacqua

Christie Road

Basket case

Letterbomb

Holiday

Boulevard of broken dreams

Restless heart syndrome

Are we the waiting

St jimmy

 

Still Breathing

Forever now 

American idiot

Jesus of Suburbia

We are the champions

 

Acoustic: 

Whatsername

Wake me up when september ends

21 guns

Good Riddance Time Of Your Life

On 13.11.2017 at 1:57 PM, Siddharth_471 said:

Not gonna happen but what about a setlist without any songs off Dookie or AI? Considering they are GD's landmark albums and most of the songs from these records make it to the live sets, so here we go:

1. Bang Bang

2. Revolution Radio

3. Welcome To Paradise

4. Say Goodbye

5. Know Your Enemy

6. 99 Revolutions

7. Static Age

8. Outlaws

9. Bouncing Off The Wall

10. Stuck With Me

11. 16

12. Brain Stew

13. Jaded

14. Take Back

15. Armatage Shanks

16. At The Library

17. 2000 Light Years Away

18. Carpe Diem

19. Hitchin' A Ride

20. Nice Guys Finish Last

21. Castaway

22. Minority

23. Waiting

24. No One Knows

25. Youngblood

26. Troubled Times

27. 21 Guns

28. American Eulogy

29. Still Breathing

30. Scattered

31. Too Dumb To Die

32. Ordinary World

ENCORE:

33. Somewhere Now

34. Song Of The Century / 21st Century Breakdown

35. East Jesus Nowhere

36. Only Of You

37. Forever Now

38. Good Riddance

Too many songs i think and a lot of their hit songs aren't there which is not good imo

[Hermione]

15 minutes ago, Jonas01 said:

I think this is as close as you get to the perfect setlist:

 

It can't be perfect without KFAD and the metal covers should always be with Brain Stew as it's their "metal song", but otherwise pretty good  

[Jonas01]

14 minutes ago, Hermione said:

It can't be perfect without KFAD and the metal covers should always be with Brain Stew as it's their "metal song", but otherwise pretty good  

KFAD maybe yes but you just hate or love the song live. It's a great song but yeh. But yes i maybe want to see it live again. Yes Brain Stew maybe with the covers. All though Sweet Child o Mine and Rock n Roll aren't metal haha. But yeh the set i made i think it's the best set if you want a ''best of'' set or a hit set. I would love to see this set

[gaslight13]

9 hours ago, Hermione said:

I see your point but to me there's so many other things that make a show unique and special, the setlist is only one small detail. A few small changes like you describe would be cool, but it's not the be all and end all. 

I don't think it hurts them business wise as the majority of the audience hasn't seen them multiple times or studied previous setlists, and most will want to see the hits/the songs they're famous for playing. People who go to multiple shows will always be a minority, and as far as I can see plenty of them are still going anyway. They're not known as being great live because of varied setlists as some bands are so I don't think it's an important selling point for them, putting on a really tight well put together show that's designed to be entertaining and spectacular and involve the crowd is what matters for them.

Fair. I mean it's hard to know for sure without them actually trying it. I guess I just feel that while the majority of people aren't going to 5 shows in a row, the size of that group isn't insignificant. If you take even 1000 people just in the UK/EU alone, and each of them decides that instead of just the London and Glasgow shows, they're also going to go to Paris and Dublin, that's 1000 more tickets at each venue. At the same time, if you take 1000 fans who were huge fans years ago but they lost interest because they didn't feel the need to go more than once per album cycle vs fueling their interest by switching up the set each night. It's not an overnight major change but it's still significant. It's not about the majority, as the majority will show up regardless, it's about getting those few hundred extra people in the building.

But we may need to agree to disagree on this one . 

[TimmyChunks]

16 hours ago, Hermione said:

Also I have to say again that having already been to 5 GD shows since 2009 (which isn't as many as the tiny minority who go to multiple shows per tour but is definitely more than the majority of people at any given show), I saw 9 songs I'd never seen before at my show this year. I don't think that's too bad!

Thanks for calling me out like that- does the fact that I go to way too many shows put me in the super-tiny minority? You must think I'm either out of my mind, very lucky, or both!  And yes, those of us in the States have a big advantage in going to lots of shows- but those in Europe have it pretty good as well...in a lot of respects, even though you have to take flights to get to the mainland from the UK, a lot of your shows are relatively close together and if you like you can take trains for a week and see a bunch of them. I'm dying to go on a mini- Europe tour the next time around- I'd love to follow them by train for a couple weeks (as long as the whole "work" thing can be managed). It'd be an awesome way to enjoy the tour.

[Als5678ors2]

Here in Lima the surprises were Coming Clean, 86 (!!!), Brain Stew/Jaded and a snipped of Walk Away during Good Riddance

[Daddy.]

39 minutes ago, Als5678ors2 said:

Here in Lima the surprises were Coming Clean, 86 (!!!), Brain Stew/Jaded and a snipped of Walk Away during Good Riddance

Walk Away is really random.

But glad you got some surprises!  

[MillenniumFan]

Finally some proper Insomniac: Brain Stew, Jaded and fking 86! And of course Coming Clean and Walk Away in Good Riddance (plus of course Nice Guys Finish Last, F.O.D and Waiting) Brilliant, so jealous!!! Best setlist until now by far!!!

 

[deleteduser7593]

What the... ?

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/green-day/2017/estadio-san-marcos-lima-peru-6be0faa6.html

[MillenniumFan]

I think my perfect RevRad setlist these days would be (and it’s insanely long, the longest setlist they would have ever done, or atleast as long as the one in Costa Rica, hold tight):

 

Bang Bang

Know Your Enemy 

Revolution Radio 

Holiday

Boulevard Of Broken Dreams

East Jesus Nowhere

Viva La Gloria

Letterbomb (quick, no rambling and ehh ohhs)

Give Me Novacaine

Longview

Bouncing Off The Wall

Paper Lanterns 

Who Wrote Holden Caulfield

J.A.R

Christie Road

86 

Stuck With Me

Going To Pasalacqua 

F.O.D

Coming Clean

Welcome To Paradise

Nice Guys Finish Last

Hitchin A Ride 

Geek Stink Breath

Iron Man, Sweet Child Oh Mine, Highway To Hell (short covers)

Brain Stew

Jaded 

Waiting 

Knowledge

When I Come Around

Basket Case

St. Jimmy

Minority 

Still Breathing 

Forever Now

Encore 1: 

21st Century Breakdown

American Idiot

Jesus Of Suburbia or Homecoming

Encore 2:

Wake Me Up When September Ends (with half the band)

21 Guns (acoustic; first verse) 

Encore 3:

Redundant (acoustic)

Macy‘s Day Parade (snippet; acoustic)

Good Riddance (with snippet of 80)