Khaleesi. Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Justin said: Alyssa *Alissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herewegoagain Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Justin said: Alyssa nailed it on diminishing returns, hearing that song for the first time will never be the same when you hear it a second time, third time, nth time. I get the theory but my second show felt far more special than the first (and that felt special as hell). Yes we got two deep cuts, but the completely different energy from the band amongst other things was a huge part of it. Maybe I don't know what the nth time is like but I've watched roughly 324798327 youtube videos of all the classics from shows this year and it honestly never gets boring because there's usually something funny or exciting happening - and that's without even actually feeling the energy first hand (I admit there's a fangirl factor at play here but the point still stands I think). Also whoever said earlier the crowds go crazy for deep cuts, that wasn't my impression at all with Going to Pasalacqua (deep enough) and Paper Lanterns (mind = blown). Pockets of people did go nuts but overall the crowd felt significantly calmer during those, and equally wilder for Basket Case, WICA etc. Maybe it's different in "remote" places in Europe with even more(?) casual fans but it's still my clear impression from countless videos. I agree it would be nice and surely doable with the odd mix up but I don't blame them for not choosing it. I (or we) can only imagine what it feels like giving it 100% and getting like 60 or whatever in return from thousands of people. I felt bad just giving myself some short breathers during my last show, because they give everything, all the way through. They, at least Billie, have said they feed off the energy of the crowd so of course they're gonna tailor the set list to get the best possible response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedundantIdiot Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I'm noticing a pattern here- the fans that are the most disenfranchised with the setlists are mostly fans in the US, probably because there are more gigs in the US for people to go to. The fans in Europe are very happy with the setlists that they are getting because there are fewer gigs in Europe, more casual fans, and GD don't always visit people's countries during the tours. So I guess that maybe GD could change the set list up a bit more during the US gigs so that there isn't as much repetition during those gigs, but I think most fans in the US are very happy with the setlists. I would be happy to hear my set list again multiple times, and as for the reactions to different songs, both the new and old school songs got great reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Khaleesi. said: *Alissa You could change it yknow Amy Sorry Alissa 1 hour ago, herewegoagain said: I get the theory but my second show felt far more special than the first (and that felt special as hell). Yes we got two deep cuts, but the completely different energy from the band amongst other things was a huge part of it. Maybe I don't know what the nth time is like but I've watched roughly 324798327 youtube videos of all the classics from shows this year and it honestly never gets boring because there's usually something funny or exciting happening - and that's without even actually feeling the energy first hand (I admit there's a fangirl factor at play here but the point still stands I think). Also whoever said earlier the crowds go crazy for deep cuts, that wasn't my impression at all with Going to Pasalacqua (deep enough) and Paper Lanterns (mind = blown). Pockets of people did go nuts but overall the crowd felt significantly calmer during those, and equally wilder for Basket Case, WICA etc. Maybe it's different in "remote" places in Europe with even more(?) casual fans but it's still my clear impression from countless videos. I agree it would be nice and surely doable with the odd mix up but I don't blame them for not choosing it. I (or we) can only imagine what it feels like giving it 100% and getting like 60 or whatever in return from thousands of people. I felt bad just giving myself some short breathers during my last show, because they give everything, all the way through. They, at least Billie, have said they feed off the energy of the crowd so of course they're gonna tailor the set list to get the best possible response. Tbh it's hard to compare what people go crazy for with this bullshit seating/ small pit going on. This tour to me has felt super super tame, not as much energy. But then I've always felt this compared to British shows for any band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 11 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: Anyone ever heard of the law of diminishing returns? That's basically the concept — it's not that this is something new they're doing, it's that the same thing done over and over again brings less joy than the first time you experienced it. That reminds me of JOY JOY JOY I prefer BJ's speeches this time around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyChunks Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 22 hours ago, SHART said: Once again we are not asking for a complete change every single night. A few songs in one section of the set is not going to cause any disruption. Well, what's really encouraging is that the Facebook Live show today was exactly what we had been hoping for. Sometimes all it takes is something like this (power going out leading to 21 Guns acoustic for example, and now it's a staple every night- might never have happened if not for that one opportunity to realize how powerfully received 21G would be). Maybe from here on out they will mix in a couple of these each show- wouldn't be too surprising if they do. Or don't. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Just now, TimmyChunks said: Well, what's really encouraging is that the Facebook Live show today was exactly what we had been hoping for. Sometimes all it takes is something like this (power going out leading to 21 Guns acoustic for example, and now it's a staple every night- might never have happened if not for that one opportunity to realize how powerfully received 21G would be). Maybe from here on out they will mix in a couple of these each show- wouldn't be too surprising if they do. Or don't. We shall see. haha as Im watching KFAD on periscope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyChunks Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 23 hours ago, Justin said: Who said that? Legit hate that answer, simply cause without knowing it, 21 guns because this huge thing again and they wouldn't even have known. Now Paper Lanterns for 2000 LYA, Geek Stink Breath for Welcome To Paradise, Nice Guys Finish Last for When I Come Around etc could bring the house down but they'll never know Well, if these posts merge you'll see that I think that the FB live set today might lead to some of the deeper cuts re-emerging, much like 21 Guns did. So there's hope. Trust me, my sources are reliable. It wasn't an interview so I won't give away the name. But if you look at my pics from RevRad tour equipment earlier this year (and I've shared some others privately along the way with folks on the board as well), I promise you that I had this conversation backstage last week. 6 minutes ago, SHART said: haha as Im watching KFAD on periscope Oh really? Too funny- I totally forgot they had a show tonight. So I suppose they didn't roll out any of these cuts this evening? Well, maybe one a day's enough and they'll do it at the next stop. KFAD on periscope- what a scintillating combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, TimmyChunks said: Well, if these posts merge you'll see that I think that the FB live set today might lead to some of the deeper cuts re-emerging, much like 21 Guns did. So there's hope. Trust me, my sources are reliable. It wasn't an interview so I won't give away the name. But if you look at my pics from RevRad tour equipment earlier this year (and I've shared some others privately along the way with folks on the board as well), I promise you that I had this conversation backstage last week. Haha fair I wasn't sure if it was straight from the bands mouth not that I discredit you in anyway. I don't know why but I always felt that Mike is the one who doesn't like old stuff. That's just from a few past observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaslight13 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 8 hours ago, herewegoagain said: ...Also whoever said earlier the crowds go crazy for deep cuts, that wasn't my impression at all with Going to Pasalacqua (deep enough) and Paper Lanterns (mind = blown). Pockets of people did go nuts but overall the crowd felt significantly calmer during those, and equally wilder for Basket Case, WICA etc. Maybe it's different in "remote" places in Europe with even more(?) casual fans but it's still my clear impression from countless videos.... I think they'd have to sneak in some deep cuts or changes more consistently to get a bigger reaction. 1) Because more people will learn those songs and 2) Because when the bigger fans get wind that they're mixing up the sets, more will go to multiple nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 17 hours ago, Jane Lannister said: THIS. teachers pet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RougeRogue Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 So after tonight...I suddenly realized... KFAD comes wayyy late in the setlist rn and it's been pretty much in the middle for sometime. Whilst in absolute pain and a near sickened state, it was just a tad long of a segment to be happening that late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 4 hours ago, SHART said: teachers pet Sorry she right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richty Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 One again they managed not playing one Insomniac song 😄 (on the livestream) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmericanidiot Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 20 hours ago, RedundantIdiot said: I'm noticing a pattern here- the fans that are the most disenfranchised with the setlists are mostly fans in the US, probably because there are more gigs in the US for people to go to. The fans in Europe are very happy with the setlists that they are getting because there are fewer gigs in Europe, more casual fans, and GD don't always visit people's countries during the tours. Hmmm I kind of agree with you on this but this year was my first time seeing them since 2010 and I have to say I was kind of annoyed that it hadn't changed very much at all, even a lot of the ad libs were the same, not that it's a bad thing but something slightly different each time would be great for everyone I guess. 9 hours ago, RougeRogue said: So after tonight...I suddenly realized... KFAD comes wayyy late in the setlist rn and it's been pretty much in the middle for sometime. Whilst in absolute pain and a near sickened state, it was just a tad long of a segment to be happening that late. I think it's to try and get a new burst of energy just as people are beginning to burn out, possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RougeRogue Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 minute ago, emmericanidiot said: I think it's to try and get a new burst of energy just as people are beginning to burn out, possibly. No that's my point, it's not happening at a place when we're beginning to burn out anymore, it's happening after that has long since occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Richty said: One again they managed not playing one Insomniac song 😄 (on the livestream) I know, I share your grief. I just have this hope that that they can only ignore this (frankly brilliant) album for so long. But seriously, they've played at least something from Insomniac on pretty much every tour since 1995, so why stop now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Sixx Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I like how I was posting "does anyone have any vid of the band playing the songs they don't play during the show during sound check?" And then Billie goes and posts an IG live of them doing Too Dumb to Die. Does anyone else have anything else? Their set lists are so static. I'm starting to be super interested in the sound checks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Yeah, we've had some great song choices for soundcheck (none of which have made it to the actual show): Stuck With Me, Homecoming and East Jesus Nowhere just to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CherryBombs&Gasoline Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 So this thread is mainly about the setlists, but I read a lot of complaints about all the shows beeing more or less the same. Let me share my thoughts on this with you: Every band has a different style when it comes to their live performances. Some bands use fireworks and pyrotechnics, others don't. Some have huge video screens, others don't. Some artists change their setlist very often, some artists don't do it (). And some bands like to interact with the crowd. That's what Green Day does. I saw the Red Hot Chili Pepers last year and at their show, there was almost no interaction with the crowd. They basically just played their songs and left. I didn't like that because I didn't feel connected to the band. But I guess that's just their style. Green Day interacts a lot with the fans during the show. Yes, it's true that they mainly use the same tricks at every show, but that's how they can make sure that the audience and the band feel connected. I understand that some people don't like t, but I bet that many wouldn't be happy if they didn't do it and just played their songs instead. There is no perfect show, no perfect setlist or whatever. But it's certainly a good thing that the band constantly tries to involve the crowd and the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoodleBob Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Saw them on Wednesday!!! My first time! They sound checked Know Your Enemy, Revolution Radio, and King For A Day. Slightly disappointing since I knew they were going to perform those songs later. I was really hoping to hear Homecoming or East Jesus Nowhere! I won't lie though, it was really amusing hearing Billie Joe make up new lyrics and sounds for KFAD instead of singing the real ones. Also 21 Guns wasn't played. I was extremely sad about that since I have yet to hear that song live! Once the concert was over I was able to get a setlist (yay!) and I was surprised to see that they actually intended to replace 21 Guns with Ordinary World. However, they still didn't play it! So for the 2nd encore they only played Good Riddance. My guess is that they were pressed for time since they were running about 30 minutes behind schedule (opener didn't get on stage until about 7:30). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Wow, slightly off-topic; but I'm so happy for you! It seems you've been on this site for more than 6 years and have made almost 6k posts, so, seems like a while haha! Though, there are many people that have been fans for years and still can only dream of seeing the guys... In my case, I had to wait almost 10 years, because I was stupid enough to not to make it the other times, but alas, this year has been great: I saw them twice! And yes, while I like to bitch and moan about the setlist, I got barrier for the second show and even though I knew the setlist by heart, it was the best concert of my life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 37 minutes ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said: So this thread is mainly about the setlists, but I read a lot of complaints about all the shows beeing more or less the same. Let me share my thoughts on this with you: Every band has a different style when it comes to their live performances. Some bands use fireworks and pyrotechnics, others don't. Some have huge video screens, others don't. Some artists change their setlist very often, some artists don't do it (). And some bands like to interact with the crowd. That's what Green Day does. I saw the Red Hot Chili Pepers last year and at their show, there was almost no interaction with the crowd. They basically just played their songs and left. I didn't like that because I didn't feel connected to the band. But I guess that's just their style. Green Day interacts a lot with the fans during the show. Yes, it's true that they mainly use the same tricks at every show, but that's how they can make sure that the audience and the band feel connected. I understand that some people don't like t, but I bet that many wouldn't be happy if they didn't do it and just played their songs instead. There is no perfect show, no perfect setlist or whatever. But it's certainly a good thing that the band constantly tries to involve the crowd and the fans. This. And I'd also like to point out that I have been going to concerts for 35 years and seen dozens of bands and no one else has ever brought fans up on stage to sing and play in the way they do. It's really their special thing and the fact that they do it multiple times a night is special (and risky and spontaneous) and should be appreciated. It completely removes the separation between band and audience, they interact and engage so directly you don't feel like you're just watching, everyone is a participant. No other band I've seen does this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedundantIdiot Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Sorry for another slightly off topic post. I agree about GD engaging with fans during their shows. I don't go to see acts live to see them standing still, monotonously singing into the microphone and barely engaging with fans who are almost snoozing due to the lack of connection with the act. I want to see acts make fans feel that they are part of the concert- and GD certainly do that. And this set list is perfect to get fans jumping up and down with its high energy songs... and the pyro helps to turn the gig into a rock and roll party. During Bang Bang I was jumping up and down 'singing' in a strong Newcastle accent, I waved my arms during BOBD, and I clapped along during many of the songs. I don't want to be at gigs totally bored, looking at my watch to see when it's over- when I saw GD the 2 and a half hours passed far too quick because I had such a good time and that's exactly what people go to gigs for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoodleBob Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, MillenniumFan said: Wow, slightly off-topic; but I'm so happy for you! It seems you've been on this site for more than 6 years and have made almost 6k posts, so, seems like a while haha! Though, there are many people that have been fans for years and still can only dream of seeing the guys... In my case, I had to wait almost 10 years, because I was stupid enough to not to make it the other times, but alas, this year has been great: I saw them twice! And yes, while I like to bitch and moan about the setlist, I got barrier for the second show and even though I knew the setlist by heart, it was the best concert of my life... Thanks so much!! Doesn't it seem crazy? While I've been a fan of the band for 13 years now, I'd say it wasn't until 2010 when I really got into them. Coincidently, the last time they were in Florida was 2010 (but I couldn't go!), so I've definitely been waiting a long time for them to come down here! It was actually a strange feeling being at that concert. I've watched so many live performances on Youtube and stuff that everything seemed familiar! If it wasn't for the excitement of seeing them all in person for the first time I would say that it almost felt like I had seen them before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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