UNICORN VOMIT Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, MillenniumFan said: Ok, now that would be great. But sadly, he mentioned Insomniac, and they still haven't played any :/ Still, this sounds very promising! Before rehab he said he wouldn't mind doing some intimate concerts in OZ - when he mentioned Nimrod all I can think of is KFAD will still be on the setlist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Oh I'll take KFAD thrown in with many other deep cuts, especially from Insomniac and Nimrod ANY DAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, MillenniumFan said: Oh I'll take KFAD thrown in with many other deep cuts, especially from Insomniac and Nimrod ANY DAY! That's why I put a happy face - would be so worth it to see a club show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Also, that kind of thing would be the perfect thing to bring onto CD / DVD for all of us to enjoy! Very unlikely I know, but ahh I can dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, ThibautDookie said: GUYS OMG Yeah, just like he teased #insomniac on Instagram when they were warming up for this tour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: Yeah, just like he teased #insomniac on Instagram when they were warming up for this tour... Not to mention during the reddit AMA they mentioned about playing Kerplunk front to back in New York. Tongue in cheek but still just teasing it. Assholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Justin said: Not to mention during the reddit AMA they mentioned about playing Kerplunk front to back in New York. Tongue in cheek but still just teasing it. Assholes New York as in Webster Hall? You guys can't really complain about that setlist regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: New York as in Webster Hall? You guys can't really complain about that setlist regardless. Haha no complaints, just another example of them being trolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Justin said: Haha no complaints, just another example of them being trolls Yeah, you really can't take anything Billie says literally, but a lot of people are going to latch on it nonetheless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyChunks Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 5 hours ago, ThibautDookie said: GUYS OMG I was at the Webster show when they last did something like this mid- set, and it blew the roof off the place. This is why I'm astonished we haven't seen more of these deep tracks on the tour- they clearly saw the reaction that night, there was such good chemistry between the audience and the band and the run of deep cuts in the middle of the show was electric. I tried guys! I really did. I wasn't aggressive about it but I asked why they hadn't harnessed the deep cut energy on the latest tour (also while reminding certain folks that when they did this on the 2nd leg of the 21CB tour it was probably the highlight of the tour). It's probably the "official" answer, but what I got was basically " (paraphrasing/ condensing) we'd sacrifice some level of performance if we had to change the set- even with the same set we're mentally and physically at 110% right now. If the set were changing each night then the needle would have to move negatively on the performance side of things". Look, I would love nothing more than deeper cuts and more spontaneity. The best shows I've seen from any band have had this element. But then again, I trust their judgement and they're the ones on stage every night. I've taken the mindset that hell, I'm just going to enjoy this run right now, and then we'll see what tomorrow holds. If it's a club tour with 39 and Nimrod, then hell yeah. If not, it's just been a privilege to enjoy them and I'm grateful for the fact that we're even having this discussion. Because, while everything could always be better, these shows sure are kick ass right not and I'd be damned if I didn't just step back and enjoy the moment every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, TimmyChunks said: I was at the Webster show when they last did something like this mid- set, and it blew the roof off the place. This is why I'm astonished we haven't seen more of these deep tracks on the tour- they clearly saw the reaction that night, there was such good chemistry between the audience and the band and the run of deep cuts in the middle of the show was electric. I tried guys! I really did. I wasn't aggressive about it but I asked why they hadn't harnessed the deep cut energy on the latest tour (also while reminding certain folks that when they did this on the 2nd leg of the 21CB tour it was probably the highlight of the tour). It's probably the "official" answer, but what I got was basically " (paraphrasing/ condensing) we'd sacrifice some level of performance if we had to change the set- even with the same set we're mentally and physically at 110% right now. If the set were changing each night then the needle would have to move negatively on the performance side of things". Look, I would love nothing more than deeper cuts and more spontaneity. The best shows I've seen from any band have had this element. But then again, I trust their judgement and they're the ones on stage every night. I've taken the mindset that hell, I'm just going to enjoy this run right now, and then we'll see what tomorrow holds. If it's a club tour with 39 and Nimrod, then hell yeah. If not, it's just been a privilege to enjoy them and I'm grateful for the fact that we're even having this discussion. Because, while everything could always be better, these shows sure are kick ass right not and I'd be damned if I didn't just step back and enjoy the moment every now and then. Who said that? Legit hate that answer, simply cause without knowing it, 21 guns because this huge thing again and they wouldn't even have known. Now Paper Lanterns for 2000 LYA, Geek Stink Breath for Welcome To Paradise, Nice Guys Finish Last for When I Come Around etc could bring the house down but they'll never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, TimmyChunks said: I was at the Webster show when they last did something like this mid- set, and it blew the roof off the place. This is why I'm astonished we haven't seen more of these deep tracks on the tour- they clearly saw the reaction that night, there was such good chemistry between the audience and the band and the run of deep cuts in the middle of the show was electric. I tried guys! I really did. I wasn't aggressive about it but I asked why they hadn't harnessed the deep cut energy on the latest tour (also while reminding certain folks that when they did this on the 2nd leg of the 21CB tour it was probably the highlight of the tour). It's probably the "official" answer, but what I got was basically " (paraphrasing/ condensing) we'd sacrifice some level of performance if we had to change the set- even with the same set we're mentally and physically at 110% right now. If the set were changing each night then the needle would have to move negatively on the performance side of things". Look, I would love nothing more than deeper cuts and more spontaneity. The best shows I've seen from any band have had this element. But then again, I trust their judgement and they're the ones on stage every night. I've taken the mindset that hell, I'm just going to enjoy this run right now, and then we'll see what tomorrow holds. If it's a club tour with 39 and Nimrod, then hell yeah. If not, it's just been a privilege to enjoy them and I'm grateful for the fact that we're even having this discussion. Because, while everything could always be better, these shows sure are kick ass right not and I'd be damned if I didn't just step back and enjoy the moment every now and then. Once again we are not asking for a complete change every single night. A few songs in one section of the set is not going to cause any disruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 36 minutes ago, Justin said: Who said that? Legit hate that answer, simply cause without knowing it, 21 guns because this huge thing again and they wouldn't even have known. Now Paper Lanterns for 2000 LYA, Geek Stink Breath for Welcome To Paradise, Nice Guys Finish Last for When I Come Around etc could bring the house down but they'll never know It's like you know exactly what songs I want to hear/not hear. That's kind of creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Yeah sure Billie. Honestly they give everything of themselves physically, mentally and emotionally on stage and it's incredible to see. If having a structured/planned show allows them to better do that so be it. I still don't think it's necessarily a "they can't do it" or just a strategic thing though. Not changing the setlist and having a structure to the show is a legitimate artistic and stylistic choice just as playing different songs and not having a structure is. The latter isn't the only way of doing it or automatically the best way of doing it and we're not owed the style of show we happen to think we'd prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teenage Lush Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 something i've noticed at the past couple shows i've gone to is that pits at green day shows have become very, very tame and i'm wondering if this has anything to do with the setlist affecting the energy of the crowd. i know that it's a lot more exciting to people seeing it for the first time than it is for most of us, but there are a lot more people just standing around in the pit on this tour than i've ever noticed in the almost 13 years i've been going to see them. i saw them once in an arena and once in a small club (less than 2000 people ish) and both times i was shocked at how boring the crowd was. i was on the barrier for both shows and both times i don't think anyone even accidentally bumped into me. i remember when i saw them on the 2nd half of the 21st century breakdown tour, when they were randomly doing deep cuts, the crowd was absolutely insane. at the house of blues when no one there knew what they were going to do next, the pit was so crazy i legit thought i might die at one point. obviously it's not good when they pit gets too crazy and violent but i really think that the crowd goes through the roof when they bust out something unexpected. also, this may just be a me thing, but when i'm at the show and in the moment it always feels perfect. i always feel so connected to the band and the music...and then i get home and start thinking about how even though it felt really special to me at the time it really wasn't special at all, because every show is exactly the same it's kind of a bummer. i'm hoping that on the next tour they can find the right balance of hits and deeper cuts so there's something for everyone. i don't even care about hearing old shit, i'm actually still pretty disappointed they haven't played more from rev rad. i still want say goodbye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 So to everyone else is the only thing that makes a show different or special the list of songs they play??? Because to me once I'm at the show that's only a small part of it. I couldn't care less if a song is "rare" or other people have seen the same setlist, I only care if the show is entertaining. So far every one I've seen has been special and unique not just because of what the setlist happened to be but because of all the other infinite aspects/variables of the performances they put on. This thread makes it sound like up until this tour every GD show had totally different setlists every night. They literally never did that, they've basically always stuck to the same setlist on each tour. The idea that this is suddenly unacceptable and is turning significant numbers of people off the band....it seems like some kind of hysteria created by this thread to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Did they stick to the exact same setlist every night though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 41 minutes ago, Hermione said: So to everyone else is the only thing that makes a show different or special the list of songs they play??? Because to me once I'm at the show that's only a small part of it. I couldn't care less if a song is "rare" or other people have seen the same setlist, I only care if the show is entertaining. So far every one I've seen has been special and unique not just because of what the setlist happened to be but because of all the other infinite aspects/variables of the performances they put on. This thread makes it sound like up until this tour every GD show had totally different setlists every night. They literally never did that, they've basically always stuck to the same setlist on each tour. The idea that this is suddenly unacceptable and is turning significant numbers of people off the band....it seems like some kind of hysteria created by this thread to me I've only seen 2 shows this tour, but both were totally different. The second show was much better than the first. Once I was there, I felt they could play Happy Birthday for 2 1/2 hours and I would have had a great time. As you said, they have never been a band to change the setlists and I don't expect them too. I have no idea what it is like to perform in front of 10,000 people so I won't judge whether they can change it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 4 hours ago, Hermione said: I still don't think it's necessarily a "they can't do it" or just a strategic thing though. Not changing the setlist and having a structure to the show is a legitimate artistic and stylistic choice just as playing different songs and not having a structure is. The latter isn't the only way of doing it or automatically the best way of doing it and we're not owed the style of show we happen to think we'd prefer. THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, SHART said: Did they stick to the exact same setlist every night though. From watching a lot of full shows on youtube and checking out setlist fm it seems that way. Nearly always the same selection of songs from each album played (which is why even with an album like Dookie like half the album has never or rarely been played) and usually the same order plus same onstage traditions/shtick. I guess it's been mixed up slightly more in the past (like switching between a couple of different songs from an album night to night or throwing in the odd different song or cover) but it's never been major setlist changes every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Anyone ever heard of the law of diminishing returns? That's basically the concept — it's not that this is something new they're doing, it's that the same thing done over and over again brings less joy than the first time you experienced it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: Anyone ever heard of the law of diminishing returns? That's basically the concept — it's not that this is something new they're doing, it's that the same thing done over and over again brings less joy than the first time you experienced it. That is under the assumption that the majority of the attendees are going to multiple shows. I don't believe that is true. Most of the attendees are not going to multiple shows and don't track the bands every bowel movement. Therefore, they have no idea the setlist is the same. At the show I went to last week, at the end of Jesus of Suburbia, the aisle filled up super quick because everyone knew that the parking lot was going to be hell to get out of. Billie played 21 Guns and Good Riddance to mostly people standing in the aisle. My statistical brain tried to put numbers on it. It looks like they are pulling in approximately 10,000 per show. Think about our forum, I would say there are approximately 10 to 20 people saying they went to a show, at most. There are some that have had more, but for the most part there has only been a handful. On the bottom of setlist.fm you can click a button that says you were at the show. I checked a number of GD shows, and it ranged from 10 to 50 people that said they were there. I will take the higher numbers, 20+50 = 70. I will multiply it by 10, that is 700. I will round up to 1,000 to make the math easy. That is 1,000 people out of 10,000 that follow the band closely and know the setlist is the same. 1,000 people per show and I think that number is high. So 10% knows the setlist the same. Disclaimer: this is a rough statistical example I do not claim it is accurate it is used for discussion purposes only. The band is not going to tailor a show to 10% of the population. They are going to put on the best show they can, with the songs the greater population wants to hear. They said they did the club shows for the hard core fans and they did change the setlists for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: That is under the assumption that the majority of the attendees are going to multiple shows. I don't believe that is true. Most of the attendees are not going to multiple shows and don't track the bands every bowel movement. No, what I meant is even if this type of setlist is what they've "always done" and it's nothing new, that doesn't mean it won't cause concert fatigue as the years go on. I wasn't necessarily saying it as it relates to one tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: No, what I meant is even if this type of setlist is what they've "always done" and it's nothing new, that doesn't mean it won't cause concert fatigue as the years go on. I wasn't necessarily saying it as it relates to one tour. But it isn't, the same. Yes, they have the same type of schticks but they do change up the songs from tour to tour. Of course it will always be heavily sided towards Dookie and AI because that is what most people know. But the setlist may not change during a tour, but it does change from tour to tour. And, most people don't see one particular band that many times, life always seems to get in the way. Which is why I've only seen them 3 times, 2 times on this tour. The first time I didn't enjoy it because one of my kids was just getting over being sick so I hardly remember it. Honestly, we went through alot to get to the two shows we were at. Since most people don't see them over and over again, the schticks won't get old for them. This is why you always see videos popping up after every show about how Billie brought a kid on stage. Most people don't know he does that every show and has for years. Most people are not like us, they don't know every move the band makes. They just know they enjoy the music, they see they are touring near them and will get tickets if they can make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 7 hours ago, Scattered Wreck said: But it isn't, the same. Yes, they have the same type of schticks but they do change up the songs from tour to tour. Of course it will always be heavily sided towards Dookie and AI because that is what most people know. But the setlist may not change during a tour, but it does change from tour to tour. And, most people don't see one particular band that many times, life always seems to get in the way. Which is why I've only seen them 3 times, 2 times on this tour. The first time I didn't enjoy it because one of my kids was just getting over being sick so I hardly remember it. Honestly, we went through alot to get to the two shows we were at. Since most people don't see them over and over again, the schticks won't get old for them. This is why you always see videos popping up after every show about how Billie brought a kid on stage. Most people don't know he does that every show and has for years. Most people are not like us, they don't know every move the band makes. They just know they enjoy the music, they see they are touring near them and will get tickets if they can make it. Disagree, the structure had remained the same for the last three tours. They've just switched songs out. The American Idiot/ Jesus Of Suburbia encore has stayed for the last three tours. King For A Day/ Shout in the same place, leading to the same Paint It Black, Satisfaction, Hey Jude could even go back to the American Idiot tour I don't remember what snippits he sung back then. Basket Case going right into She goes back to American Idiot era if not before. If we are going truly honest, if you went to the 99Revs tour and then Rev Rad tour the only difference is the trilogy songs got switched for Rev Rad songs. 95% of the set stayed in the same order. Alissa nailed it on diminishing returns, hearing that song for the first time will never be the same when you hear it a second time, third time, nth time. 16 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: It's like you know exactly what songs I want to hear/not hear. That's kind of creepy. Haha! Like I don't even want this massive overhaul of the set, or rare tracks like people beg for songs like Haushinka, Dry Ice etc I just want to switch out some popular songs with some other popular songs. Sure hearing those songs would be crazy but that's never gonna happen. I've never heard Paper Lanterns live, Nice Guys Finish Last maybe 3 times. It would just be nice to get something slightly different each night that would keep the familiarity. People still go ape shit for Brain Stew. Not a favourite song of mine but it'd be nice to hear it for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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