New shows setlist discussion

[gaslight13]

Normally bands not changing up set lists is a huge pet peeve of mine, but I kind of get it with them. They have a lot of HUGE hits so there are a lot of people out there who are fans, and know plenty of songs to justify going to a show, but won't know the deeper cuts. There's just too big a gap between the love for the hits vs the non-hits. Bands like Pearl Jam or Springsteen, who massively change their sets each night, have that freedom because there's only a handful of songs they MUST play, and a whole lot of very well liked not-mega-hit songs. That's also a perk of having a cult following of adult fans with money and means to travel to 10 shows a tour, vs Green Day who have somehow managed to maintain a solid mainstream following for 30 years and have quite a lot of young fans who couldn't afford or have the freedom to follow them on tour. 

That said, I wish they'd at least do a tiny bit of mixing it up. Swap 3-4 songs, change the order a bit, just something so you don't know 100% what the next song will be. That pulls me out of it when I'm thinking "okay, so Basket Case comes next" versus getting that moment of joy when you realize what song it is by the first few notes or knowing "alright we're about 4 songs from the end" or something like that. 

Do you think the way they time the SFX has anything to do with not making changes within the tour? Maybe that's something you can't exactly change up on the fly. 

[kkpojpojpj]

45 minutes ago, gaslight13 said:

That said, I wish they'd at least do a tiny bit of mixing it up. Swap 3-4 songs, change the order a bit, just something so you don't know 100% what the next song will be. That pulls me out of it when I'm thinking "okay, so Basket Case comes next" versus getting that moment of joy when you realize what song it is by the first few notes or knowing "alright we're about 4 songs from the end" or something like that. 

That's so true! I hate how you know what song comes next, it really takes away a lot of the magic.

[Sister of Grace]

1 hour ago, gaslight13 said:

That said, I wish they'd at least do a tiny bit of mixing it up. Swap 3-4 songs, change the order a bit, just something so you don't know 100% what the next song will be. That pulls me out of it when I'm thinking "okay, so Basket Case comes next" versus getting that moment of joy when you realize what song it is by the first few notes or knowing "alright we're about 4 songs from the end" or something like that. 
 

At the Belfast show back in June, the sound at the front was so shit that it was sometimes hard to hear what song it was. But of course not for me and my friends cause we have seen them many times and knew exactly in what order songs normally comes. Personally I like the setlist they have now and have been lucky to hear a few rarities but I think this says a lot  

I don't really blame the band for not mixing it up a bit more because as many people have already said, most people at their shows are not as hardcore fans as we are (GDC). I agree with you with changing the order of the songs and all that, it would be a good thing. 

[pacejunkie punk]

5 hours ago, gaslight13 said:

Do you think the way they time the SFX has anything to do with not making changes within the tour? Maybe that's something you can't exactly change up on the fly. 

I think it has to be a factor, but if they wanted to they still could, as we've seen they have added songs on occasion.

I think you also make the point that in a way they're a victim of their own success, as most bands have about 4 or 5 songs in their career that are the big hits that audiences expect to hear. For Green Day it's over half the show and the there needs to be room for the new album which has new hits on it. 

It reminds me of this funny (because it's true) clip:

 

[Justin]

The setlist still has an option for audible after Longview... whyyyyy do they keep ignoring it 

[St. Jonny]

Be cool if they used it in Toronto, seeing as the show was supposed to be last year and now Toronto will get a way shorter set. The audible would certainly be nice.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

3 hours ago, Justin said:

The setlist still has an option for audible after Longview... whyyyyy do they keep ignoring it 

Because its photocopied.

[Mato]

One of the main things I don't like about the setlist on this tour (apart of being the same every fucking night) is the fact they play Minority early on in setlist, between random songs. Minority has always been perfect theatrical closer of the main set, right before the encore :/

[Caroline Truong]

i want to hear these song live.but I am sure it will never happen..Brutal Love,Stay the night,oh love,Let yourself go..

[TimmyChunks]

I'm probably getting annoying posting the same thing over and over, but I think it deserves mentioning. They're better than bands that have to play the same set every night. Hell, they could crush it in font of 20,000 people if they decided to play 1,039 and then walk off stage. I've obviously never been a performer of their caliber (shocker), but I'd expect it even gets a bit dull playing the same exact set night after night. I still don't quite get it. I've been to a ton of their shows and every time they toss a "moderately known" song in there like JAR, Coming Clean, Pasalacqua, etc. the crowd goes nuts. When they play a really random song (Scattered for a while, Christie, One of My Lies, deep cuts off Insomniac, etc.), the place goes ballistic. I have a hard time understanding the completely unchanging nature of this setlist.

I thought the second US leg would be like the legendary 2nd leg of the 21CB tour- mainly the same, but a few awesome and random songs mixed in. That was a phenomenal tour. This tour is awesome too obviously but I'm still at a loss why it's all the same night after night.

[Justin]

1 hour ago, TimmyChunks said:

I'm probably getting annoying posting the same thing over and over, but I think it deserves mentioning. They're better than bands that have to play the same set every night. Hell, they could crush it in font of 20,000 people if they decided to play 1,039 and then walk off stage. I've obviously never been a performer of their caliber (shocker), but I'd expect it even gets a bit dull playing the same exact set night after night. I still don't quite get it. I've been to a ton of their shows and every time they toss a "moderately known" song in there like JAR, Coming Clean, Pasalacqua, etc. the crowd goes nuts. When they play a really random song (Scattered for a while, Christie, One of My Lies, deep cuts off Insomniac, etc.), the place goes ballistic. I have a hard time understanding the completely unchanging nature of this setlist.

I thought the second US leg would be like the legendary 2nd leg of the 21CB tour- mainly the same, but a few awesome and random songs mixed in. That was a phenomenal tour. This tour is awesome too obviously but I'm still at a loss why it's all the same night after night.

I agree with you, and the same I ramble on about it too.

Tonight they soundchecked "too dumb to die" but still nothing. Tonight's curfew was 11pm and they come offstage at 10:45 which I know living in the past but I've never had them do that. They usually push their limits on the set. It actually bums me out that they dropped scattered/ waiting/ burnout and finished before curfew. 

I get they still played for 2 hours and that's a decent time. I can't stop wishing for the past 

[UNICORN VOMIT]

It's weird - when we were surprised with TDTD I thought it would then continue in the setlist 🙃

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I was considering buying an impromptu seat to the Cincinnati show on Sunday and driving down after work, but I'm assuming it'll just be the same show I'll be seeing Thursday in Chicago, which is basically the same show I saw in March in Pittsburgh. I don't think they're really aiming to appeal to hardcore fans like us though who go to multiple shows a year; they know they've already got us hooked for a few shows a tour no matter what. 

[Justin]

21 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

I was considering buying an impromptu seat to the Cincinnati show on Sunday and driving down after work, but I'm assuming it'll just be the same show I'll be seeing Thursday in Chicago, which is basically the same show I saw in March in Pittsburgh. I don't think they're really aiming to appeal to hardcore fans like us though who go to multiple shows a year; they know they've already got us hooked for a few shows a tour no matter what. 

I do think they have lost a fair amount in sales for this exact reason. Same reason we're not coming to Chicago as we've been before.

[Teenage Lush]

you know it's bad when the setlist has become so stale it even has me skipping shows  i never thought i'd see the day where i'd willingly part with green day tickets but here we are. i had a great time at both shows i went to on this tour but how many times do i really need to see are we the waiting/st. jimmy and king for a day done the exact same way? i know the trilogy era was mostly a disaster, but the shows leading up to the albums coming out were all so exciting because we had no idea what they would be playing. even on the second half of the 21st century breakdown tour they were throwing a random song in almost every show which really helped keep things fresh. even if they don't completely revamp the setlist changing up one or two songs would be a good start.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I guess I shouldn't complain, since I do get one new song for me... 21 Guns.  

[RedundantIdiot]

Clicks onto thread for the first time in over a week... sees that that setlists are the same... clicks off for another week or two

I've been to my one and only gig this tour and even I'm sick off seeing the same setlists. 

[NOVAGD]

11 hours ago, Teenage Lush said:

you know it's bad when the setlist has become so stale it even has me skipping shows  i never thought i'd see the day where i'd willingly part with green day tickets but here we are. i had a great time at both shows i went to on this tour but how many times do i really need to see are we the waiting/st. jimmy and king for a day done the exact same way? i know the trilogy era was mostly a disaster, but the shows leading up to the albums coming out were all so exciting because we had no idea what they would be playing. even on the second half of the 21st century breakdown tour they were throwing a random song in almost every show which really helped keep things fresh. even if they don't completely revamp the setlist changing up one or two songs would be a good start.

Same here....I got a ticket to their upcoming Rose Bowl show back when they went on sale thinking they would do something special.  I was going to fly out from the DC area to meet up with some friends to go to the show.  Now I am seriously thinking of just telling my friends to sell my ticket.  I'm still holding out hope the Wrigley show will be fresh.....but if they didn't do anything for Oakland, there's no reason to think the Chicago and LA shows will be different. 

[AmyxLongview]

It kind of sucks that they're not changing anything up. I saw them in March and thought for sure when I see them again in September there would be at least a few different songs, but it looks like it's going to be the exact same thing. It's just annoying how they're playing it so safe.

[Jonas01]

On 11.8.2017 at 1:14 AM, Signe said:

Alright, my dream show is to hear nimrod or AI in it's entire glory, front to back. But I doubt this will ever happen.

A part from that, I do enjoy the setlist. I like it, I know what I get. It's been the same routine for the enitre tour and at those I had the luck to witness,  it's been a fantastic experience everytime. Everytime. As I suppose is the same for the most of you other hardcore (or more). But of course the same routines comes with me knowing when I get to pee, and sure it eventually gets a little predictable. 

Here is what I love and what they can never take off the list: 

When I come around - this is my tune. It's a party. It's needed. 

Minority - the whole shouting "a free for all, fuck em all" makes me feel just as cool as it did when I was 12. I like it and it's a crowd arouser. Who doesn't like saying "fuck em all!"? 

Still Breathing - here comes the waterworks, you gotta let em out once every four years. 

Holiday - it's rowdy, it's fuck the power, it's damn well written and made. And we all like shouting that last little verse. 

Jesus of Suburbia - It's jesus of suburbia. 

Forever now - damn. 

Good Riddance - it's the final. There can be no other final. Also the waterworks mixed with confetti.  

* Here's what could be replaced: 

King for a day - it gets old, but I love the other songs and performances mixed in to it. What other song could be used? 

Hiticin' a ride - the pee song. It goes on forever and even though I love it, it's boring. 

Revolution Radio - it doesn't have the same.. weight (?) as bang bang and it always strikes me as slightly boring as it never goes to the next level.

21 Guns - I'm sorry, but still breathing does the job. 

Youngblood - A little too corny. 

Know your enemy  - it fits but meeeh.. 

Ideas about what should be played: 1000 hours, Outlaws, Uptight, Sassafrats Roots, She, X-kid, Nuclear Family, Bouncing off the wall (imagine the moshpit), stay the night, east jesus nowhere, murder city, homecoming, whatsername. 

That's all I can think of and I now feel sad and ashamed for critizing the setlist and the fact that it will take quite a few years before it's time to see them live again. 

I think at least 21 guns, hitchin a ride and know your enemy should stay in the set. 21 guns in a great singalong song WITHOUT A DOUBT. Hitchin a ride is great live, but yeh it get's a bit boring live but that can always be changed. Know your enemy is IMO a ''thin song'' but it's a great live song and get's the crowd going. 

[TimmyChunks]

I agree with you all. They're better than this- granted, these shows are of course awesome and I won't be complaining after seeing them in a couple weeks, but it's super disappointing that they're leaving so much untapped potential on the table. I just don't understand it. Sure, I'm not the one on stage every night, so I don't see what they see- and sure, they have pyro scripted into the set so some portions absolutely must be the same for safety reasons- but it's a huge disappointment that a band of this capability and caliber has such a boilerplate setlist. I don't want to see my favorite robots night in and night out. I want to see my favorite human artists do their artistic and spontaneous, organic thing and play a set that evolves and changes night to night. Sadly, we're not getting this so far.

[LaughingClock]

5 hours ago, TimmyChunks said:

I agree with you all. They're better than this- granted, these shows are of course awesome and I won't be complaining after seeing them in a couple weeks, but it's super disappointing that they're leaving so much untapped potential on the table. I just don't understand it. Sure, I'm not the one on stage every night, so I don't see what they see- and sure, they have pyro scripted into the set so some portions absolutely must be the same for safety reasons- but it's a huge disappointment that a band of this capability and caliber has such a boilerplate setlist. I don't want to see my favorite robots night in and night out. I want to see my favorite human artists do their artistic and spontaneous, organic thing and play a set that evolves and changes night to night. Sadly, we're not getting this so far.

No fuck that. You are right and right and right.

i would tell any one of them right to their face. They are losing money. They are losing fans. They are losing ticket sales. If they were even mixing it up JUST A LITTLE they would be getting more tix and higher prices and every show stadium or arena would be a quick sell out.

Ive never seen a more self inflicted wound then their fucking setlists. Pyro? Phish has such an amazing light show that their fans know their light techs name. They call him K5 Chris Kadura (as in Kadura the 5th member of the band, their lighting tech!!!) and he knows every bit of every song and they improvise not just the set lists but the songs and he doesn't miss a beat or an explosion and the Phish light show makes Green Day's look like a fucking joke.

Thats fan love and Green Day fans would be more rabid if they were fed the meat like Phish Phans. We are left with the same show ever night on every tour and it's getting worse, not better. I feel like I've been waiting my whole life for them to figure out what is obvious to everyone but there are just a couple stone cold "I know what the fuck I want to do" and hey, they can but so can I and I can tell you for sure, I am not gonna make going to shows like a gig. If they don't mix it up next season, I'm done.  I see different bands all the time and I know there are none better, but being the best will take you far and I've reached the end of that road.  I know the shows are gonna be great and that's the problem. I mean Phish, Special Sauce, Moe, Pearl Jam et al all play different setlists every night and they still rock the fuck out. Are they not capable?

Do this, go look at the setlists for Phish at their 13 sold out "Bakers Dozen" residency happening right now at MSG and tell me how those set lists compare. Every fucking set, every encore is a surprise and they have 35 years to pull from and so does Green Day but I bet they haven't played a show in 30 years in front of more than 1000 people without playing Longview and Basket Case. Play them every time but mix the shit up. 21G, GR, 21G, GR. 21, GR, 21G, GR (the last encores of the last shows they've played here in the US). 

Yeah, I hope management is listening. JD, if your looking at this, I'm saying it. It is time. Put down the boot and make this last. This is a fucking hit album. They are in the god damn HOF. Nobody rocks better or performs better. Don't let the dream of what could be slip away because of neuroses.

Im sorry, I'm just getting pissed. I love them and that's why I feel this way. I should shut up but fuck an A. You want to start a revolution? How about revolving a few songs. Fuck, even play only hits but mix it up.

They could play wholly different shows every night and play nothing but charters but this is fucking bull shit. I need to get stoned. 

[Jonas01]

42 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

No fuck that. You are right and right and right.

i would tell any one of them right to their face. They are losing money. They are losing fans. They are losing ticket sales. If they were even mixing it up JUST A LITTLE they would be getting more tix and higher prices and every show stadium or arena would be a quick sell out.

Ive never seen a more self inflicted wound then their fucking setlists. Pyro? Phish has such an amazing light show that their fans know their light techs name. They call him K5 Chris Kadura (as in Kadura the 5th member of the band, their lighting tech!!!) and he knows every bit of every song and they improvise not just the set lists but the songs and he doesn't miss a beat or an explosion and the Phish light show makes Green Day's look like a fucking joke.

Thats fan love and Green Day fans would be more rabid if they were fed the meat like Phish Phans. We are left with the same show ever night on every tour and it's getting worse, not better. I feel like I've been waiting my whole life for them to figure out what is obvious to everyone but there are just a couple stone cold "I know what the fuck I want to do" and hey, they can but so can I and I can tell you for sure, I am not gonna make going to shows like a gig. If they don't mix it up next season, I'm done.  I see different bands all the time and I know there are none better, but being the best will take you far and I've reached the end of that road.  I know the shows are gonna be great and that's the problem. I mean Phish, Special Sauce, Moe, Pearl Jam et al all play different setlists every night and they still rock the fuck out. Are they not capable?

Do this, go look at the setlists for Phish at their 13 sold out "Bakers Dozen" residency happening right now at MSG and tell me how those set lists compare. Every fucking set, every encore is a surprise and they have 35 years to pull from and so does Green Day but I bet they haven't played a show in 30 years in front of more than 1000 people without playing Longview and Basket Case. Play them every time but mix the shit up. 21G, GR, 21G, GR. 21, GR, 21G, GR (the last encores of the last shows they've played here in the US). 

Yeah, I hope management is listening. JD, if your looking at this, I'm saying it. It is time. Put down the boot and make this last. This is a fucking hit album. They are in the god damn HOF. Nobody rocks better or performs better. Don't let the dream of what could be slip away because of neuroses.

Im sorry, I'm just getting pissed. I love them and that's why I feel this way. I should shut up but fuck an A. You want to start a revolution? How about revolving a few songs. Fuck, even play only hits but mix it up.

They could play wholly different shows every night and play nothing but charters but this is fucking bull shit. I need to get stoned. 

I kind of agree but at the same time, the technical progression and system during their gigs like it's hard to create a whole new different setlist. And when i say technic i mean pyro, explosions etc... Their setlist is the best setlist they have had in years, but every fam knows it know, and of course we all want different songs played. It's getting frustrating yes but what can we do?  

[LaughingClock]

17 minutes ago, Jonas01 said:

I kind of agree but at the same time, the technical progression and system during their gigs like it's hard to create a whole new different setlist. And when i say technic i mean pyro, explosions etc... Their setlist is the best setlist they have had in years, but every fam knows it know, and of course we all want different songs played. It's getting frustrating yes but what can we do?  

Oh, it's a great fucking setlist, for one show.

Pink Floyd and Roger Waters touring show where the production (lights, pyro, screens) is as important as the music and is note for note the same. A rock show by Green Day is not that.

[Jonas01]

2 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

Oh, it's a great fucking setlist, for one show.

I don't really think the whole setlist has to be changed. You can just swap out a few songs. These are the songs i want to hear live

 

21st Century Breakdown

Know Your Enemy

Bang bang 

East Jesus Nowhere

Viva La Gloria

Give me novocaine

Longview

Welcome to Paradise

When i come around

Brain Stew

Hitchin a ride

Minority

Waiting

Going to pasalacqua

Basket case

Christie road

Letterbomb

Holiday

Boulevard of broken dreams

Restless heart syndrome

Are we the waiting

St jimmy

 

Still Breathing

Forever now

American idiot

Jesus of Suburbia

We are the champions

 

Acoustic: 

Whatsername

Wake me up when september ends

21 guns

Good Riddance