New shows setlist discussion

[pacejunkie punk]

I would love to hear X-kid. That one should be okay, it's both a tribute and a cautionary tale. 🙂

[St. Jonny]

Yes, in Montreal we got Nuclear Family. Was phenomenal, but I remember I was the only one where I was who new the song and the floor stood still. Billie was probably like oh man, nobody knows this one. I knew it Billie!! And shouted at the top of my lungs the whole time.

[herewegoagain]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I would love to hear X-kid. That one should be okay, it's both a tribute and a cautionary tale. 🙂

Yes please! Been playing that to death lately.

48 minutes ago, St. Jonny said:

Yes, in Montreal we got Nuclear Family. Was phenomenal, but I remember I was the only one where I was who new the song and the floor stood still. Billie was probably like oh man, nobody knows this one. I knew it Billie!! And shouted at the top of my lungs the whole time.

You're describing me during Paper Lanterns in Gothenburg   The response wasn't bad or anything but I can definitely see why they don't experiment too much. But we've been over this a thousand times, lol.

[St. Jonny]

Yeah, it sucks for us hardcore fans, it's hard to pick us out of thousands who DON'T know Paper Lanterns, but fuck, they didn't know 2000 Light Years Away either. They need to keep tracks like those in there for us anyways because they know some of us go to multiple shows on a tour and die to hear them. Still got Paper Lanterns, Going To Pasalacqua and Welcome To Paradise on my list so I hope they keep those going for the next leg. 

[lizziebix]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we won't be seeing anything new on the setlist on the next leg. Just my thought on the matter.

Yeah, being a killjoy. Oh well.

[Chin for a Day]

5 minutes ago, lizziebix said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we won't be seeing anything new on the setlist on the next leg. Just my thought on the matter.

Yeah, being a killjoy. Oh well.

It must be us old fucks, but I agree with you.

[Hermione]

17 minutes ago, lizziebix said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we won't be seeing anything new on the setlist on the next leg. Just my thought on the matter.

Yeah, being a killjoy. Oh well.

I'd call it being realistic  

[Stewe]

I hope that played a song as a tribute to Chester Bennington

[St. Jonny]

Don't take this wrong. Hope they don't. They didn't for Cornell. Yeah, it is very realistic and aside from some random acoustic numbers in the encore and alternating things like Welcome To Paradise and Burnout or 2000LYA and Pasalacqua, there won't be anything too different. Everybody loves the shows and nobody wants any drastic changes, just a one or two surprise slot each show, so not everything is so predictable and completely the same every night. I think because they are doing a complete "Amphitheatre and Arena where they couldn't book an Amphitheatre tour", except the stadium and bowl ones which will be  very special, they may be planning something rather interesting. 

[The Bellie]

The 3 songs Billie played in his first live Instagram video are songs that have never been played live (Fell For You) or very few on this tour (Somewhere Now, Give Me Novacaine). That is obviously a nod to us fans, can't be sure though that it means some "rare" songs may be played during the upcoming leg of the tour. One can always hope  

I think what is more likely to happen is that they surprise us with rare/new songs here and there, like they've done during the past months (Amy and Troubled Times in Brussels... Nuclear Family in Canada... Too Dumb To Die in Australia and New Zealand, for instance).

Fell For You is my favorite non-played-live-so-far (except for Instagram!) trilogy song, and in my top 4 trilogy songs with Lazy Bones, Stay The Night and Brutal Love.  

Lazy Bones is unlikely to be played live, knowing how the song goes deep into the hard times Billie was going through then.

Brutal Love and Stay the Night have been played at every show or so during the 2013 tour (so Fell For You must've been a bit effaced behind those two, happily Billie has just fixed that up!), yet I would DIE to see Stay The Night live. It just takes my breath away to see it in a video.

[Beerjeezus]

40 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

The 3 songs Billie played in his first live Instagram video are songs that have never been played live (Fell For You) or very few on this tour (Somewhere Now, Give Me Novacaine). That is obviously a nod to us fans, can't be sure though that it means some "rare" songs may be played during the upcoming leg of the tour. One can always hope  

I think what is more likely to happen is that they surprise us with rare/new songs here and there, like they've done during the past months (Amy and Troubled Times in Brussels... Nuclear Family in Canada... Too Dumb To Die in Australia and New Zealand, for instance).

Fell For You is my favorite non-played-live-so-far (except for Instagram!) trilogy song, and in my top 4 trilogy songs with Lazy Bones, Stay The Night and Brutal Love.  

Lazy Bones is unlikely to be played live, knowing how the song goes deep into the hard times Billie was going through then.

Brutal Love and Stay the Night have been played at every show or so during the 2013 tour (so Fell For You must've been a bit effaced behind those two, happily Billie has just fixed that up!), yet I would DIE to see Stay The Night live. It just takes my breath away to see it in a video.

I doubt there will be many surprises. He's such a tease on social media

I guess we have a similar list of trilogy favorites. Stay The Night and Fell For You are awesome. 

I don't know how unpopular this is but I would love hearing Lazy Bones live. It's such a good and powerful song. I respect the choice not to play it though. But I wouldn't say it's hopeless, they play Hitchin and other "drug" songs so it's not entirely a tabboo. 

[pacejunkie punk]

Even on RevRad he sings about "getting drunk and falling into hedges" and has songs like Bouncing off the Wall so I don't think he shies away from party songs now by any means. I think with the trilogy though its more of an association with the time period that they made it in and not the actual subject matter.

[Caroline Truong]

2 hours ago, Kuromignonne said:

The 3 songs Billie played in his first live Instagram video are songs that have never been played live (Fell For You) or very few on this tour (Somewhere Now, Give Me Novacaine). That is obviously a nod to us fans, can't be sure though that it means some "rare" songs may be played during the upcoming leg of the tour. One can always hope  

I think what is more likely to happen is that they surprise us with rare/new songs here and there, like they've done during the past months (Amy and Troubled Times in Brussels... Nuclear Family in Canada... Too Dumb To Die in Australia and New Zealand, for instance).

Fell For You is my favorite non-played-live-so-far (except for Instagram!) trilogy song, and in my top 4 trilogy songs with Lazy Bones, Stay The Night and Brutal Love.  

Lazy Bones is unlikely to be played live, knowing how the song goes deep into the hard times Billie was going through then.

Brutal Love and Stay the Night have been played at every show or so during the 2013 tour (so Fell For You must've been a bit effaced behind those two, happily Billie has just fixed that up!), yet I would DIE to see Stay The Night live. It just takes my breath away to see it in a video.

Yes..Brutal and Stay the Night and Oh Love..for next setlists..but We have to be realistic here!

[TimmyChunks]

14 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

What they fail to understand is that playing to their base will get their base out more.  Green Day at this point of their careers should be selling out every arena show in 20 minutes but that's not the case because they sell out by well "selling out".  Most bands play the songs that get the people that listen to the radio out but Green Day should be a band more like Pearl jam, Phish, Springsteen in their setlist selection and then over time, fans would follow them because their fans are rabbit.

Chalkiest Torture, Run Like an Antelope Out of Control, Golby Aberatus, Mangos, Tweezer, Harry Hood, Stash, Bounce Around the Room, You Enjoy Myself, Mike's Song, Wolfman's Brother, Heavy Things, Slave to the Traffic Light, Wilson, and Heavy Things.

Unless you are a Phish fan, you haven't heard any one of these songs most likely and yet Phish not only will play them as they would play a song like Longview where a Phish fan would play "Oh, this one again" but the difference is that Phish plays improvisational style music as learned from the bluesy/bluegrass/Americana fusion of The Grateful Dead and their fans come out to ALL THE SHOWS because even if they did play the same song, it would be completely different every time.  They might play the "album version" which is usually just a live PA from some live show that they liked and maybe they would play the 4:30 minute version but it's also possible they will play 18 minutes it, then go into something else, and then comeback to it.  Go look at the setlist to old Phish shows in the 90s, and they still do it today.  THAT IS HOW you play a setlist and get your base to come out to every show because you NEVER get the same show twice and you NEVER know what you're gonna get as far as a good show or not.  When it happens with Green Day it's even more special.  I think that if they just got over be a top 40 band (like Tom Petty and most bands) they would find out that their fans are more than they think they are.  Green Day has a sect of fans that would follow them, I'm almost sure of it. I know this business well and I know the different types of fans and Green Day enjoys a fanbase that is different than most.  Oh well, I will be happy with whatever they throw at us because I love them and I am grateful that they love each other, their fans and the music they make and play for us.

Since I've spoken so much about Phish on this post, I will post a Phish song that is sort of a gateway song, and then I will follow it with a song that is a crowd favorite.  These are two songs that have never even sniffed the charts and yet they sell out the Hollywood Bowl in minutes and they sold almost a half million tickets to the 2000 millinieum celebration at Big Cypress Indian Reservation in 1999-2000 (I was there). By the way that night, they started playing at 11:45pm and (opened with a cover of Clapton's "After Midnight") and then they want live to ABC and as a goof had the whole crowd chant "CheeseCake" which was for the 3 day show of only them was what everyone was yelling throughout. That's how they roll and why I love them so much.  Band/Crowd/Music---ONE is the way it should be when it's good.

Some Phish for yo azz:  Seriously give them a listen.

No Rock N Roll HOF, not a single top ten single or i don't even think they have one that charted (The Grateful Dead in their almost 50 year career only had 1 top 10 song, no promotion, no singles, no nothing) and yet they sell out The Forum in minutes, they sell out the Bowl in minutes, they can play 10 night residencies and 8000 person venues if they want, they can play stadiums if they want and it's because EVERY show is different from the last.

 

Another song YOU NEVER heard if you don't listen to Phish but which ROCKS THE FUCK OUT and is a crowd favorite ONLY from live shows (been traveling since 89)

 

 

Now here is a Possum -> Wilson -> Tweezer (All three of these are their versions of top 40 for them. Not rarities, probably played every other show but NEVER the same and this one they will go straight through. 25 minutes of uninterrupted music.  Beautiful. Have a listen.

 

 

And just in case you thought they can't put together a full song that is just pretty.

 

And a sense of their humor and their ability to play whatever the fuck they want. They will go from thrashing rock, to jazz to full on blue grass in the same amount of songs. 1994

 

 

Wow, what a timely post. I saw Phish this weekend in New York and must admit I am a bit envious of their fans (and for context, I have seen Phish about 10 times and Green Day about 25 times at this point). I feel Green Day leaves so much on the table with their shows compared to their potential. For example, when we saw Phish, obviously we had no idea what they'd play. They're giving out a donut each night and the donut is a giveaway for the nightly theme. I received a strawberry donut, they opened up with an a-capalla Strawberry Fields (first time ever), and the rest of the night was a bag of surprises and ridiculously good music. And while I'm a fan I only knew about 50% of the songs, and the whole show was lifelong-memorable and blew me away.

Now, as for Green Day, they're incredible live and bring as much or more energy as any live band. But there's rarely surprise/ creativity element to their sets. And they can do it- I've seen it before and even recently. I went to NY for the Webster show and brought one of my Phish friends as he's open to good music even if hard rock/ punk isn't his thing. And that night they played Android/ Armatage/ Stuart/ Brat/ Nice Guys, etc. in a row and blew my head off. And my friend had never heard these songs before but was equally floored- he knew how big a deal these songs were by my reaction and the crowd's reaction, and he loved every second. It was a Phish-set like moment during a Green Day show- purely organic and improvised. It was incredible.

And also worth noting is that some of my friends who went to NY for the Phish show started on GD as their first "real" rock band. For numerous reasons they became more Phish/ jam fans than punk/ hard rock fans over the years, and I can see why- Phish is super cognizant of their hardcore audience every night and feels its their duty to challenge and be challenged by these fans. Green Day challenges us hardcore fans through their energy and emotion but leaves a lot on the table with the setlist. Different styles to be sure, and they're both very successful at it, but I feel GD could do a bit more to challenge the fans.

One random sidenote- years ago (maybe 2000) I told my buddies that it would be awesome if a great punk band put together a somewhat improvised and seamless jam-out punk tune. And I wrote a random song on guitar that was all punk/ power chords and ten minutes long. A few years later, Green Day released a vastly superior song called Jesus of Suburbia (and yes, also Homecoming), and aside from this being mind bending in itself, it proved that Green Day could execute whatever they desired at a higher level than most any other band on the planet. Here's hoping this talent and ambition carries over into the setlist for the upcoming tour.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

@TimmyChunks Android you lucky bugger.

[The Bellie]

Each tour, Green Day follows a setlist that features several songs from their newest album(s), plus a bunch of songs that we can consider as their classics (essentially from American Idiot, and Dookie, and others like Waiting and Minority). Then, there are songs that don't belong to these two categories but are played in a more or less constant way during on tour (Scattered, 2000 Years Away, Christie Road are examples). In addition, there are rare / new songs that Green Day will only play here and there during the tour, in a rotating way, for instance during the actual tour : Going To Pasalacqua, and others as Brain Stew that's mentioned above. To me that's a pretty good way to build a setlist, and considering all this, through the successive tours, the setlists have changed quite a lot. 

I've known Green Day for a year now. I immediately became a huge fan. They were my gateway to punk rock and passion for rock in general. (I had listened to rock before but not at all with the same interest.) I've seen Green Day 3 times in 2017 and on the same occasions I've seen other bands live, that perhaps conformed more to the idea of a improved setlist that was described here. Frankly, reading your description didn't really make me want Green Day to do this today, even though, I practically know all Green Day songs and several of my favorites have never / a very few times been played live. They will probably won't be played in the future. Of course, more variation in Green Day's setlist as compared to some other bands' habits would - in absolute terms - be welcome, however when seeing Green Day live I've felt that they bring a lot to their audience, on another level than the setlist's variability, which I haven't found in other bands, and that's maybe - it's only the way I feel it - not compatible with a lot more change in the setlist than there is.

As you've said, Green Day have a very large range of fans, and that's great; as a fan myself I have a precise idea of what I wish Green Day eventually plays live in the future, meanwhile, I find their main core setlist really fine and I don't look forward to see Green Day live depending on what their next setlist will be - as you said that some of their fans haven't been rigorously following them because the setlist hadn't challenged them enough, from what I've understood. I don't know these fans but I don't find myself in thinking that way. Green Day have a great, great deal of songs to their assets. They always give the best show ever to their fans. Personally I was blessed 3 times this year and will appreciate renewed setlists in the future as well as classic setlists, I won't say that Green Day should opt for one or another.

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In the end I'm only saying : I don't care what their setlist actually is... It took me 3 paragraphs to figure it out that clearly myself

 

 

[Justin]

21 hours ago, Tinkle said:

@TimmyChunks Android you lucky bugger.

Sad to say but it wasn't Android it was One Of My Lies and Private Ale

[UNICORN VOMIT]

1 minute ago, Justin said:

Sad to say but it wasn't Android it was One Of My Lies and Private Ale

Still lucky.

[Justin]

1 minute ago, Tinkle said:

Still lucky.

Private Ale was bomb such a great live song

[UNICORN VOMIT]

1 minute ago, Justin said:

Private Ale was bomb such a great live song

When I posted I was actually surprised - I didn't think Android had been played (only once in a sound check).

@Todd ?

[Caroline Truong]

13 hours ago, Kuromignonne said:

Each tour, Green Day follows a setlist that features several songs from their newest album(s), plus a bunch of songs that we can consider as their classics (essentially from American Idiot, and Dookie, and others like Waiting and Minority). Then, there are songs that don't belong to these two categories but are played in a more or less constant way during on tour (Scattered, 2000 Years Away, Christie Road are examples). In addition, there are rare / new songs that Green Day will only play here and there during the tour, in a rotating way, for instance during the actual tour : Going To Pasalacqua, and others as Brain Stew that's mentioned above. To me that's a pretty good way to build a setlist, and considering all this, through the successive tours, the setlists have changed quite a lot. 

I've known Green Day for a year now. I immediately became a huge fan. They were my gateway to punk rock and passion for rock in general. (I had listened to rock before but not at all with the same interest.) I've seen Green Day 3 times in 2017 and on the same occasions I've seen other bands live, that perhaps conformed more to the idea of a improved setlist that was described here. Frankly, reading your description didn't really make me want Green Day to do this today, even though, I practically know all Green Day songs and several of my favorites have never / a very few times been played live. They will probably won't be played in the future. Of course, more variation in Green Day's setlist as compared to some other bands' habits would - in absolute terms - be welcome, however when seeing Green Day live I've felt that they bring a lot to their audience, on another level than the setlist's variability, which I haven't found in other bands, and that's maybe - it's only the way I feel it - not compatible with a lot more change in the setlist than there is.

As you've said, Green Day have a very large range of fans, and that's great; as a fan myself I have a precise idea of what I wish Green Day eventually plays live in the future, meanwhile, I find their main core setlist really fine and I don't look forward to see Green Day live depending on what their next setlist will be - as you said that some of their fans haven't been rigorously following them because the setlist hadn't challenged them enough, from what I've understood. I don't know these fans but I don't find myself in thinking that way. Green Day have a great, great deal of songs to their assets. They always give the best show ever to their fans. Personally I was blessed 3 times this year and will appreciate renewed setlists in the future as well as classic setlists, I won't say that Green Day should opt for one or another.

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In the end I'm only saying : I don't care what their setlist actually is... It took me 3 paragraphs to figure it out that clearly myself

 

 

i like your posted in longer version better!

Well I have never been to Green Day's concert in my life..and hopefully I will see them in future.

But I think that boys have difficult to choose what or which song to live life..i am sure what ever song they put out it will be best for them and their fan.

[Todd]

1 hour ago, Tinkle said:

When I posted I was actually surprised - I didn't think Android had been played (only once in a sound check).

@Todd ?

This actually just surfaced in 2015, so it hasn't been around for too long

You can download the full show here:

 

[TimmyChunks]

2 hours ago, Justin said:

Sad to say but it wasn't Android it was One Of My Lies and Private Ale

Oh wow, I was so wrong! You're right- it was Private Ale. I totally stand corrected. I remember One of My Lies well (I've actually seen it twice amazingly- the other time was in Toronto in '13) but Private Ale/ Android/ and a few other songs on Kerplunk are those kinds of songs you know well but for some reason I use the title interchangeably. Either way, the middle of that set was the most mind-blowing portion of live Green Day I've seen- totally unexpected and thrilling as for a good half hour you had absolutely no idea what incredible rarity they were going to play next.

23 hours ago, Tinkle said:

@TimmyChunks Android you lucky bugger.

Maybe we'll get Android at some point then...might as well keep going to as many shows as possible just in case, right? 

22 hours ago, crock6000 said:

That's awesome! I love nothing more than to find other Green Day fans that appreciate the improvisational style of Phish and their music and yearn for it at GD shows because it's hard to put in context unless you are a Phish fan and I was a fan of both around the same time.

I have so much more but I just don't have the time at the moment. Thanks for sharing that awesome story though and yeah like I said when Green Day does it, (just says fuck it and breaks off the list and I don't mean audibles), it's so special. I'll be seeing a Phish shows soon. I'll also be seeing a few Green Day shows soon as well.

But you're right, Phish fans would always appreciate a Green Day show (I don't think the other way around) because Phish fans love hard  rock and Green Day is the best touring rock band in the world, bar none.

By the way, on the quote you quoted me on, I forgot to say on that midnight show, the played from 11:45pm until the sun cracked. It was like a 7 hour set and was just historic. They would take bathroom breaks while some would stay on. Music never stopped playing from 11:45pm 1999 until the sun rose the morning of 2000. Just special.

Nice- was that the Cypress show where they played all night long? I have good friends that went down to that. I didn't go (it was a 24 hour drive and as much as I'm up for a good time, that was an insane round trip) but it was an epic show. And I totally agree- I don't have time to type it all out, but I could go on all day about both bands and while Green Day is my first love, I totally respect and admire what Phish has and continues to accomplish. While I only usually know about 50% of their set, I go to their shows because they are just such an amazing experience to behold and just extraordinary musicians. And I always leave the show knowing more about the band and hearing 2 or 3 new songs that immediately become new favorites of mine (and oftentimes these are songs that have been around 10/20/30 years). Their shows not only amaze but also inspire a lot of musical curiosity. They also play really good, semi-obscure covers that help the audience discover under the radar classics that they otherwise wouldn't receive exposure to. Their live show is amazing in many ways.

Counting down to Green Day in about 4 weeks- so I'll have both Phish and Green Day during a roughly 5 week span. If I could have told myself this about 20 years ago, young me's head probably would have exploded. They're both still around and kicking ass. Awesome.

Also, did you ever hear about that show they did a few years back where the set was (in order) songs that began with an F, then a U, then C, then K then Y, then O, then U, then R, then F, then A, then, C, then E? Then the final song was Fuck Your Face? I know it's kind of juvenile, but that's a clever sense of humor (in my mind anyway). They did this when playing at Dick's (Sporting Goods) Arena, which was not coincidental. And for those of you that don't follow Phish, they usually aren't juvenile or profane or anything, but they're not above a clever little joke like this if they're up for it. You really have no idea what to expect- ever- from those guys.

[Justin]

23 minutes ago, TimmyChunks said:

Oh wow, I was so wrong! You're right- it was Private Ale. I totally stand corrected. I remember One of My Lies well (I've actually seen it twice amazingly- the other time was in Toronto in '13) but Private Ale/ Android/ and a few other songs on Kerplunk are those kinds of songs you know well but for some reason I use the title interchangeably. 

I also was at the Toronto show 😂 I remember it took me a few seconds to realize what it was they were playing cause it came out of nowhere

[pacejunkie punk]

9 hours ago, crock6000 said:

BTW, whoever called "Brain Stew" a rarity and have been a fan only a year, it's been a staple since it's release until he got sober as the song is about the shitty part of amphetamines (cross-tops).

I never knew what that meant. What's "cross-tops"?