UNICORN VOMIT Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alf said: The thing is, if I have a band with 100 great songs that every fan would like to see live, it's a waste of meterial to play the same 28 every night. They can do better and I guess they know it. The show the way it is is a ver good show, I don't doubt it and don't discuss it, but it's also kinda robotic. Take a look on the pictures from every night (the photographers can stand on the pit for only 2 songs), they're all the same, Billie does the same speeches and even make the same movements... it's so controlled. What bothers me is that any fan knows that they could do better, and still they don't. Sometimes they want too much to please the casual fans that only kows their hits and leave aside the die hard ones... I heard an interview with U2 & Bono said they have to throw in stuff for the uber fans that see them many times a tour. Now I can't say I would know anything about their setlist but all bands know they have uber fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 32 minutes ago, Tinkle said: Everyone keeps going round in circles with this debate - all I want is for KFAD to piss off just like you think JOS is boring. 😊 Why not ditch both and play 6 other songs instead. 2,5 hours is long. The setlist doesn't look like it when you see it written down but it feels like forever in person. (In a good way, I didn't feel bored for a second). I can't imagine what it had to be like to play for another 45 minutes, what they do is incredible. However, I agree that changing it up would make it even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, Alf said: The thing is, if I have a band with 100 great songs that every fan would like to see live, it's a waste of meterial to play the same 28 every night. They can do better and I guess they know it. The show the way it is is a ver good show, I don't doubt it and don't discuss it, but it's also kinda robotic. Take a look on the pictures from every night (the photographers can stand on the pit for only 2 songs), they're all the same, Billie does the same speeches and even make the same movements... it's so controlled. What bothers me is that any fan knows that they could do better, and still they don't. Sometimes they want too much to please the casual fans that only kows their hits and leave aside the die hard ones... Billie every single night at exactly the same point in the show: "If you are looking at me through your phone you're not really looking at me" OK we get it...you are part puppet now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Billie every single night at exactly the same point in the show: "If you are looking at me through your phone you're not really looking at me" OK we get it...you are part puppet now. He only does it to spite Steve Jobs postmortem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatsername Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Alf said: The show the way it is is a ver good show, I don't doubt it and don't discuss it, but it's also kinda robotic. Take a look on the pictures from every night (the photographers can stand on the pit for only 2 songs), they're all the same, Billie does the same speeches and even make the same movements... it's so controlled. I absolutely cannot confirm this, at least for the two shows in Europe I went to. Of course they have a concept and give speeches at a certain point of the show every time, but I don't see what's wrong with that. And they are FAR away from robotic or controlled. The two shows - although they played the same setlist - felt completely different and they were definitely not acting or saying exactly the same. In one of the shows, for example, Billie spontaneously responded to the audience starting a "No Trum, no KKK, no fascist USA"-chant and joined it. That is certainly not robotic. Also the fact that they interact so much with the audience makes every show unique and somehow unpredictable because you never know who's gonna come up. Yes, they bring fans up for the same songs every night, but I still refuse to agree that a show is "robotic" just because you have a concept... Looking back, the shows I've seen didn't even feel like two concerts of the same tour leg because they were so unique. That's what I love most about GD concerts: They always have a schedule and at certain points you know exactly what to expect, but they still find ways to surprise you. The setlist is the least important part of the show once you're there, believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paola17 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Alf said: The thing is, if I have a band with 100 great songs that every fan would like to see live, it's a waste of meterial to play the same 28 every night. They can do better and I guess they know it. The show the way it is is a ver good show, I don't doubt it and don't discuss it, but it's also kinda robotic. Take a look on the pictures from every night (the photographers can stand on the pit for only 2 songs), they're all the same, Billie does the same speeches and even make the same movements... it's so controlled. What bothers me is that any fan knows that they could do better, and still they don't. Sometimes they want too much to please the casual fans that only kows their hits and leave aside the die hard ones... Well every city reacts differently (in terms of enthusiasm, energy, etc) despite the same setlist and speeches every night, and they feed off of that response. There is nothing wrong with routine. I mean, they aren't forcing anyone to go to more than one show during a tour leg-people choose to do that, despite knowing how the band operates with their setlist. But who are we to judge that they can do better? (And honestly, how much of a percentage do the die hard fans make up in an arena? Better to cater to the masses so that you may convert them into becoming a bit more invested in the band/their music, and convince them to see you perform again.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Paola17 said: Well every city reacts differently (in terms of enthusiasm, energy, etc) despite the same setlist and speeches every night, and they feed off of that response. There is nothing wrong with routine. I mean, they aren't forcing anyone to go to more than one show during a tour leg-people choose to do that, despite knowing how the band operates with their setlist. But who are we to judge that they can do better? (And honestly, how much of a percentage do the die hard fans make up in an arena? Better to cater to the masses so that you may convert them into becoming a bit more invested in the band/their music, and convince them to see you perform again.) Thank you. This is just more proof that you are wise beyond your years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienlifeform Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I still think they can do more, we all know it, unfortunately they don't want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 11 hours ago, belinda jane said: They are so wonderful live, thank god they did a sideshow here otherwise I would have exploded. Honestly though, that's probably the only way they're going to add in a heap more songs without leaving any out - and if The Cure can do it, surely Green Day can do it. I think they've been around long enough to do it now. They don't really need a support act, they can still sell out shows on their own. The thing with The Cure is that Robert doesn't talk apart from a few words. They play a shit ton of songs but back to back. It's great for big fans but casual fans get bored by it. That's what I got from when I saw them everyone around me seemed bored which sucks your vibe out. But they do change their set significantly each night. Last night I saw The Lumineers for the third time. A band that only have two albums but the order of the set was different each time which was great for the surprise factor. BUT for the first five songs they did instrument swaps after every song which irritated the fuck out of me. It did to some extent make me appreciate the order Green Day play things to keep hitting you song after song after song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVAGD Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 They are aiming to put on the best show each night without the setlist in mind. Obviously it's a routine, it's rehearsed, same speeches, same jokes, etc. it makes the most sense when you are tying to connect with 20,000+ fans each night. At the end of the day, it's still an amazing show. Would I love for them to play a few deep cuts on this leg of the tour? Of course!!!! Is it a little redundant to hear the same shtick at the show I went to along with the videos posted online? Absolutely!!! But I'm not mad because I still had an amazing time in DC, even though I knew what to expect going in. And the next time they come to town, I'll still go see them...even though I'm almost certain I know what they are going to play. Now that I think about it, THE REAL TRAGEDY is they should have been experimenting a lot more with their catalog during the small venue tour. Instead, we got the same show we are getting now minus the jokes and the pyro. Sure the last month of shows on the club tour got private ale and armatage shanks, but the show as a whole is essentially what we are seeing now. Every show on the club tour should have been like the rough trade show (with a different setlist every night). No routine rehearsed, no KFAD, etc...just go in, have 3-4 static revrad songs every night, along with 3-4 rotated revrad songs, and the rest just play songs they rarely play along with taking request from the crowd. Ahhh the potential!! Only what could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I believe their show is that good because it is rehearsed. Practice makes perfect. They could easily "just" play and add deep-cuts, but that's not what the general audience is in for and removing the routines would take away from the show too. What they do isn't just a concert, it's almost a theatrical experience and it makes them special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Alf said: I still think they can do more, we all know it, unfortunately they don't want it Actually we don't all know it. Unless you have been in their shoes you don't know what it is like to perform a high energy show, in front of 10,000+ people, day in and day out for months. You can't judge anyone, on any subject unless you've been in their situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienlifeform Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: Actually we don't all know it. Unless you have been in their shoes you don't know what it is like to perform a high energy show, in front of 10,000+ people, day in and day out for months. You can't judge anyone, on any subject unless you've been in their situation. Man, we are talking about a band that left huge hits like Wake Me Up and 21 Guns off the show, so yes they can do more. I'm not saying they are playing bad songs or anything like that, My point is that they have an awesome catalogue of songs in their career, so they coul challenge thenselves a little bit more. I can't dig that are fans that prefer to think that everything in the band is perfect the way it is... knowing their potential and the songs they choose not to play.. it's sad. Green day is amazing live, but could be amazing and unique every night if they mix the set a little bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alf said: Man, we are talking about a band that left huge hits like Wake Me Up and 21 Guns off the show, so yes they can do more. I'm not saying they are playing bad songs or anything like that, My point is that they have an awesome catalogue of songs in their career, so they coul challenge thenselves a little bit more. I can't dig that are fans that prefer to think that everything in the band is perfect the way it is... knowing their potential and the songs they choose not to play.. it's sad. Green day is amazing live, but could be amazing and unique every night if they mix the set a little bit Then my advice to you is don't go to the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I think it's a higher percentage of "die-hard" fans than people realise. At pretty much every show the people there are going to be pretty familiar with their catalogue - it's not like we're in the AI era where loads of people are just turning up for one album anymore - most people at shows will have been fans before RevRad so probably know the songs people are calling to be added to the setlist, like Welcome to Paradise or 21 Guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 It's not that I'm not approx. 10% bitter about the lack of Insomniac, 21CB, Kerplunk, Trilogy, Warning, 1,039 etc etc but in fact, my experience wasn't anyhow impaired by the setlist. I can't complain because what I saw was damn close to perfect. Of course they could have played all the songs I love that they normally never play - that would have been wonderful - but it's ok that they didn't. It's not the end of the world. Maybe next time around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: Then my advice to you is don't go to the show. They have a point though, like I said earlier RHCP dramatically change their set every night and it makes going to a show even more exciting - what are you going to get to hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, JoeFrusciante said: They have a point though, like I said earlier RHCP dramatically change their set every night and it makes going to a show even more exciting - what are you going to get to hear? True, currently I'm not interested in going again because I honestly believe my excitement for seeing the same thing over again would be much lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, JoeFrusciante said: They have a point though, like I said earlier RHCP dramatically change their set every night and it makes going to a show even more exciting - what are you going to get to hear? Well, everyone gets a different experience out of a show. Last Friday was the best damn show I have ever seen. And I loved the fact that I knew exactly what was coming next, it got me excited to know when my favorite songs were coming. My biggest problem with Alf's post was saying that we all know they can do better. IT is cool to have your own opinion, but don't make statements that everyone else thinks the same way. FYI, GD plays 10 more songs than RHCP. Personally, I will take a standard set list of 28 songs over an 18 song concert any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyxLongview Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Another problem is a lot of people watch videos of the shows and look at the setlists every night. If you want to be surprised at the show you go to then I would recommend not watching the concert on YouTube and not memorizing the setlist. I think it makes it more exciting when you don't know exactly what's going to happen next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: True, currently I'm not interested in going again because I honestly believe my excitement for seeing the same thing over again would be much lower. Can't tell if sarcastic or not but yeah I'd have that, still super hyped obviously but it's more exciting with variety 10 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: Well, everyone gets a different experience out of a show. Last Friday was the best damn show I have ever seen. And I loved the fact that I knew exactly what was coming next, it got me excited to know when my favorite songs were coming. My biggest problem with Alf's post was saying that we all know they can do better. IT is cool to have your own opinion, but don't make statements that everyone else thinks the same way. FYI, GD plays 10 more songs than RHCP. Personally, I will take a standard set list of 28 songs over an 18 song concert any day. Pffffft nah, I'd rather have a few mainstays then some absolute gems that are rarely played live any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki. Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I honestly don't see how they could do better... Playing a surprise song or two every night would be really cool, but still, you can never please everyone. To me their current setlist is damn near perfect (especially after seeing it in person), and I got to hear SO many incredible songs during the 5 shows I went to over the years. Sure, I was also very lucky, that's the thing about Green Day though - you never know when they'll surprise you, but you can 100% count on having an incredible experience every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: FYI, GD plays 10 more songs than RHCP. Personally, I will take a standard set list of 28 songs over an 18 song concert any day. Depends on how much they charge too I was actually bummed when I found out Metallica costs double the price of Green Day and plays 10 less songs. That's how it shouldn't look. But if Green Day did an 18-song show with a special setlist, while keeping the prices, I might consider it worth the money. (Even though I insist super long + an awesome setlist would be ideal.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Jane Lannister said: Depends on how much they charge too I was actually bummed when I found out Metallica costs double the price of Green Day and plays 10 less songs. That's how it shouldn't look. But if Green Day did an 18-song show with a special setlist, while keeping the prices, I might consider it worth the money. (Even though I insist super long + an awesome setlist would be ideal.) Gotta take that with a pinch of salt tho, Green Day are an anomaly with a setlist that long 5 minutes ago, Marki. said: I honestly don't see how they could do better... Playing a surprise song or two every night would be really cool, but still, you can never please everyone. To me their current setlist is damn near perfect (especially after seeing it in person), and I got to hear SO many incredible songs during the 5 shows I went to over the years. Sure, I was also very lucky, that's the thing about Green Day though - you never know when they'll surprise you, but you can 100% count on having an incredible experience every time. As we've seen you're not going to please everyone with this setlist so why not vary it so you have a better chance of pleasing people, particularly those going to multiple dates who'll appreciate the change in setlist most as they're going to be the "die-hard" fans. Surely it'd be more fun for the guys if they alternated a little as well? Idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, JoeFrusciante said: Can't tell if sarcastic or not but yeah I'd have that, still super hyped obviously but it's more exciting with variety Serious! I'm afraid it would lose the sense of novelty and exclusivity that I felt the first time. Like, it would be a much less unique experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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