03 - Revolution Radio

[Tubbie Head]

The song came out and I didn't even know it! I think I will try not to listen to it until the album comes out though. Hope it's good like Bang Bang

[Eric]

8 minutes ago, Tubbie Head said:

The song came out and I didn't even know it! I think I will try not to listen to it until the album comes out though. Hope it's good like Bang Bang

That was hard for me to do and I gave in. It will be even harder when they release the 3rd single soon, and even more so with a leak of the whole thing. Props to you being able to do such a thing!

[CrimsonArk]

20 minutes ago, Stefano Bras said:

I'm all for the debates and people having different opinions.

But I always struggle to respect someone disliking something I like when the reasons they give for disliking the song/album are so unconvincing and forced.

It's almost like they were trying too hard on finding something to dislike just for the sake of doing so.

Well, what do you consider to be unconvincing or forced? You could easily label any argument as such in order to be dismissive of it. 

[Libertine Angel]

1 minute ago, CrimsonArk said:

Well, what do you consider to be unconvincing or forced? You could easily label any argument as such in order to be dismissive of it. 

Come to think of it saying you can't respect any argument that's unconvincing is literally equivalent to saying you can't respect any disagreeing argument because if it were convincing you'd agree with it, i.e. be convinced.

[okotavio]

1 hour ago, Master Roshi said:

Does anyone else think they mistakenly switched "scream" and "sing" in the lyric video? I definitely hear "sing" the first time and "scream" the second one.

Listening to the song without the lyric video I heard them shouting "scream" and "sing" at the same time with different intensity. Like the first time it's scream>sing and the other time sing>scream. Probably not true but I'd like to think it's true

[grene cniht]

30 minutes ago, Otávio Vidal said:

Listening to the song without the lyric video I heard them shouting "scream" and "sing" at the same time with different intensity. Like the first time it's scream>sing and the other time sing>scream. Probably not true but I'd like to think it's true

That is interesting. Billie seems indeed to be uttering two different words each time, and they could very well be "sing" and "scream" one over the other. At a more careful listen, though, it seems to me that it's the same word uttered at two slightly different times, so I'm gonna stick with my theory.

[Second favourite son]

Finally got my download of the song today.  It does indeed sound awesome in the car.  The only downside is it's now completely stuck in my head to the extent that I can barely function as a human anymore.

[Lone]

There's just something about the way he sings "under the stars and stripes" and the guitar behind it that makes me really like that bit. This song has been in my head for days and I'm fine with this. 

[TimmyChunks]

1 hour ago, Lone said:

There's just something about the way he sings "under the stars and stripes" and the guitar behind it that makes me really like that bit. This song has been in my head for days and I'm fine with this. 

Having eagerly anticipated and voraciously listened immediately to every new release since Insomniac (I had first heard them when Longview came out and was immediately hooked), I have a good sense of knowing what I will like 10, 20 years down the line during the first week of listening vs. what goes into the "ok" bin. Without a doubt, I'm sure I'll be mixing in RR with Scattered, Westbound, Letterbomb, Stuart, and my other all-time faves a decade from now. The song is that good; I actually think the chorus might be in their top 5 in power and hook. I also love BB, but it is in that tier-1A list of GD songs for me- a great track with endless listening in the future (Uptight, Viva!, Deadbeat, Having a Blast, for perspective), but of the two...I think RR is the pick so far. 9 songs to go on this album- I'm super excited about the overall potential (edit: I say 9 songs since I'm already counting Ordinary as a "listened to" song even though it was the live version. I'm sure the studio version will have a dfferent feel but it's likely we already have a sense for the song).

[unextraordinarygirl]

I thought of something about this song today at work. The music for the Chorus is the same as the music during the verses of Coming Clean. Listen to the first few lines of Coming Clean, then the Chorus of Revolution Radio and they are simular, if not exactly the same.

[That Dude]

I hope we get lots and lots of singles from this album.   At least 5 (like Dookie, American Idiot and Breakdown).    I'm going to say it will be BANG BANG, Revolution Radio, Still Breathing, Ordinary World and possibly Youngblood or Troubled Times.    

We are the Devil's Kind.  

[Thatsername]

I was just surfing amazon (the German one) and found that RevRad is currently #5 of the best selling download tracks. That's surprisingly good, considering that it doesn't even show up on the iTunes list. Plus I didn't have the feeling that GD was very popular around here lately, so that's really cool

[tresexy101]

OH EM GEE! I just realized 'lullaby' is in both Bang Bang and Revolution Radio.  I know I should have noticed earlier but I think the word lullaby put me in a trance.  Damn Illuminati.  Well, I just want to say if this has already been noted.... I don't care.  I AM the Gulf of Tonkin.  False Flags Rule!!   What a way to put  Americans in supporting the Vietnam war with the Government lying and saying the Vietnamese attacked us in the Gulf. Thus, provoking Americans to want to go to war.   I love a lie just like anybody else.  I can shoot laser beams out of my bum hole.   Great song by the way...  I have yet to hear it on the radio but I can't wait.  But I have to.  Peace and Love.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I covered a vigil/protest tonight for the 13-year-old black boy who was killed by a cop in Columbus, Ohio. Suddenly, the inspiration for this song has never made more sense to me. Wow. It was already stuck in my head all day before that happened, but I think I'm going to be fairly attached to it now. 

[DookieLukie]

3 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

I covered a vigil/protest tonight for the 13-year-old black boy who was killed by a cop in Columbus, Ohio. Suddenly, the inspiration for this song has never made more sense to me. Wow. It was already stuck in my head all day before that happened, but I think I'm going to be fairly attached to it now. 

I still don't understand the story. Kid and friends commit armed robbery, armed with BB gun with laser pointer. BB gun looks just like a real gun. The two other suspects later said that they were going to rob more people. Cop goes to investigate and kid pulls gun out of waistband. Cop was stupid and shot before using other methods. However, the kid with the fake gun didn't run and stood his ground according to witnesses. Why'd he do that? Cops need better training to deal with split-decision actions, and kids shouldn't be allowed to have guns that look real (or be stupid enough to draw them on cops).

The whole story is just so weird. I've been to Columbus and it seems like a nice place. Anywhere else in Ohio, this wouldn't shock me. That place is literally white protestants full of racism thrown against a wall of very poor minorities. Water and oil. Columbus seemed like a safe haven to me (I loved it there), but I guess the crime and general garbage bleeds over?

Every protest needs a solution-based demand (something BLM hasn't been able to muster up). The solution is easy: better education for cops and stricter regulations. No more high school dropout cops (basically 80% of cops outside of the Northeast and West Coast).

[DeJennsitized]

I love all the classic Green Day quirks/callbacks this song has. The Murder City-esque drum intro and guitar during the verses, the way Billie says "testify" (he uses that note change a lot; "don't ask why" in Good Riddance is one example), the guitar...thing at the end of every line in the verses (it's in Chump), and the bass during the last 15 seconds (reminiscent the end of Welcome To Paradise... @Second favourite son I think that could be the song I was trying to think of the other day!), the Christian's Inferno style solo bits...and probably more. Not to mention those buzz words  

[xXRustyJamesXx]

RR is so catchy that it's almost annoying

[grene cniht]

Revolution Radio is definitely being played on the radio! I've just heard it again, being announced as "the new single".

[CrimsonArk]

7 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

I still don't understand the story. Kid and friends commit armed robbery, armed with BB gun with laser pointer. BB gun looks just like a real gun. The two other suspects later said that they were going to rob more people. Cop goes to investigate and kid pulls gun out of waistband. Cop was stupid and shot before using other methods. However, the kid with the fake gun didn't run and stood his ground according to witnesses. Why'd he do that? Cops need better training to deal with split-decision actions, and kids shouldn't be allowed to have guns that look real (or be stupid enough to draw them on cops).

The whole story is just so weird. I've been to Columbus and it seems like a nice place. Anywhere else in Ohio, this wouldn't shock me. That place is literally white protestants full of racism thrown against a wall of very poor minorities. Water and oil. Columbus seemed like a safe haven to me (I loved it there), but I guess the crime and general garbage bleeds over?

Every protest needs a solution-based demand (something BLM hasn't been able to muster up). The solution is easy: better education for cops and stricter regulations. No more high school dropout cops (basically 80% of cops outside of the Northeast and West Coast).

The solution is most definitely not easy. A majority of the population still refuses to acknowledge the fact that the police as an organization could possibly be corrupt to any degree. 

They were imprinted with this idea of the police being the protector, the good guys, and nothing'll seemingly warp that perception (which is similarly ingrained withiwithin the concept of white privilege). 

Reconstructing an entire system as massive as the national police force is going to potentially be a decades long battle, and the first step is getting them and the public at large to admit there's a problem, except the problem right now is a lot of white people refuse to believe that people of color receive any sort of treatment that could be classified as derogatory in comparison to them. 

Generally it's due to the combination of a lack of self-awareness and a lack of empathy. You don't need to educate just the officers, but the public as well. Thing is though, it's incredibly easy for them just blow it off, even if you're showing it right to their face. 

 

[Fantalacqua]

I was really excited about this song and couldn't get it out of my head ... but then my husband pointed out that the catchiest part of this song has appeared in Simon & Garfunkel's "Homeward Bound" song and I was reallllllly deflated. It's the same feeling I got when the same melody lines has appeared in previous songs before. Here are a few breakdowns of what I've dissected.

American Idiot = Dillinger 4's "Doublewhiskeycokenoice"
Warning = The Kink's "Pictures Book"
Jinx = The Pretender's "Great Pretender"
21 Guns (guitar solo) = The freaking Full House theme song melody line!!!

And Billie Joe has done this to himself as well! "Basket Case" is the same chord progression of "One of My Lies" just turned an octave higher.

All in all, even with all this said, I still love what Green Day puts out. It just goes to show how influenced his songwriting is to existing great works of art.
 

Any one else catch these things???

 

[21guns&novacaine]

Listened to it again last night, and I really like it. Just kind sounds a lot like Bang Bang.  Understandable that all the songs on an album should have a mutual sound, just feel like they could have gone further with this one, especially since it's the title track. 

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

9 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

I still don't understand the story. Kid and friends commit armed robbery, armed with BB gun with laser pointer. BB gun looks just like a real gun. The two other suspects later said that they were going to rob more people. Cop goes to investigate and kid pulls gun out of waistband. Cop was stupid and shot before using other methods. However, the kid with the fake gun didn't run and stood his ground according to witnesses. Why'd he do that? Cops need better training to deal with split-decision actions, and kids shouldn't be allowed to have guns that look real (or be stupid enough to draw them on cops).

The whole story is just so weird. I've been to Columbus and it seems like a nice place. Anywhere else in Ohio, this wouldn't shock me. That place is literally white protestants full of racism thrown against a wall of very poor minorities. Water and oil. Columbus seemed like a safe haven to me (I loved it there), but I guess the crime and general garbage bleeds over?

Every protest needs a solution-based demand (something BLM hasn't been able to muster up). The solution is easy: better education for cops and stricter regulations. No more high school dropout cops (basically 80% of cops outside of the Northeast and West Coast).

Well, the first thing you have to understand is that, as white people, the way we view this story or any story about a black teen being killed by a white cop isn't going to be the same as the way a black person views it. We have no idea what it's like to grow up black in the U.S. and never will. Instead of dismissing a black person's concerns or looking for ways to discredit what they're saying (as so many people are doing right now in Columbus) it's our job to listen and try to understand as best as we can.

Columbus is relatively safe and progressive compared to many large cities and most of Ohio but it's hardly free from crime, poverty and racism. We're on pace to log more than 100 homicides this year and much of the city's east side is plagued by gang violence and poverty, which accounts for most of the deaths. There are many rich areas but many poor areas. It's very diverse.

It's ridiculous to assume anyone can come up with "solution-based demands" to the institutionalized problem of racism that has pervaded literally every U.S. citizen through socialization. This is going to take many, many years to solve. But just because a movement hasn't lined out an exact plan to solve racism doesn't mean the movement isn't valid. It's just uncomfortable for people to see these problems shoved in their faces and discuss it because it's easier to dismiss it or stick our heads in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong. Obviously this is a multi-faceted issue that speaks to education, poverty and all sorts of things. The protestors last night acknowledged that, actually, and I was glad to hear them mention things like holding parents accountable, encouraging kids to stay in school, registering to vote, keeping kids busy with positive activities, etc. They definitely weren't placing the blame solely on the cops. They recognized the situation as the complicated mess that it is and tried to come up with solutions.

The only account we have of what happened right now is based on the stories of the cop who killed the boy (who is obviously going to try to protect himself) and the boy's friends, the other two robbers (who also have personal interests in this, obviously). There were no body cameras on the cops. There likely is no dash camera footage from the police cruiser. There were few witnesses other than one woman who allegedly saw the entire thing, who the media has not been able to track down, and people who were in their homes, saw the boys fleeing and then heard the gunshots. So we don't know definitively if the boy "stood his ground," and definitely don't know if he raised or aimed the BB gun at the cop. But what we do know is how many people reacted to this story, immediately stating "don't point a fake gun at a cop if you don't want to be shot," which shows that they're always quick to dismiss the validity of the black community's concerns instead of gathering the known facts of the case. They always assume the cop is in the right and the kid deserved to die. That's what we as a country need to talk about more than anything.

I've had so much hate spewed on my Twitter feed today that I'm nauseous from it. He's a child. He stole $10. We don't know if that was to buy drugs or buy his next meal, but what difference does it make? All I can see is his 13-year-old sister crying in front of me about how everyone is telling her family that her brother deserved to die. How can anyone feel justified in saying those sort of things about a child? What is the point? That's the type of thing that makes the line "We will be seen but not be heard" from Revolution Radio so potent to me. Everyone sees the images of the protestors but nobody understands their message because nobody is willing to listen. Nobody will listen to that little girl's pain. They'd rather spew off on social media about how the kid deserved to die than think about how the violence impacts his family and our society as a whole and continues the cycle of hate and racism in future generations.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

1 hour ago, Fantalacqua said:

I was really excited about this song and couldn't get it out of my head ... but then my husband pointed out that the catchiest part of this song has appeared in Simon & Garfunkel's "Homeward Bound" song and I was reallllllly deflated. It's the same feeling I got when the same melody lines has appeared in previous songs before. Here are a few breakdowns of what I've dissected.

American Idiot = Dillinger 4's "Doublewhiskeycokenoice"
Warning = The Kink's "Pictures Book"
Jinx = The Pretender's "Great Pretender"
21 Guns (guitar solo) = The freaking Full House theme song melody line!!!

And Billie Joe has done this to himself as well! "Basket Case" is the same chord progression of "One of My Lies" just turned an octave higher.

All in all, even with all this said, I still love what Green Day puts out. It just goes to show how influenced his songwriting is to existing great works of art.
 

Any one else catch these things???

 

Basket case is Canon in D too. But I don't think you can call yourself a band until you've ripped off canon

[DookieLukie]

Everything you said was very on point. However, I would say that having some sort of concrete goal has benefited movements in the past. The Civil Rights movements was extremely well-organized and had clear demands. Compare that to Occupy Wall Street, which turned into a shitshow without any set goal, and what the BLM movement is currently turning into. 

I also agree that these changes aren't instant and will takes decades if not more. Racism and sexism etc are fueled by human instinct and psychology, which makes them persistent and palatable. Plus, our country is at such a political divide, I can't see any change being made that wouldn't offend 50% of the population. It's a mess. It's too bad we don't have a really awesome presidential candidate to get behind either instead of 4 years of "well I have to pick one evil." 

I find it hard to really make an argument for either side in this issue. I don't know what it's like to be black, so I really can't make a stance on that. I also know that being a cop is generally a scary, difficult job, so I hesitate to criticize a cop for acting in a way that helps his own survival. I do think education and better training is key, and that's all I really know.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

10 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

Everything you said was very on point. However, I would say that having some sort of concrete goal has benefited movements in the past. The Civil Rights movements was extremely well-organized and had clear demands. Compare that to Occupy Wall Street, which turned into a shitshow without any set goal, and what the BLM movement is currently turning into. 

I also agree that these changes aren't instant and will takes decades if not more. Racism and sexism etc are fueled by human instinct and psychology, which makes them persistent and palatable. Plus, our country is at such a political divide, I can't see any change being made that wouldn't offend 50% of the population. It's a mess. It's too bad we don't have a really awesome presidential candidate to get behind either instead of 4 years of "well I have to pick one evil." 

I find it hard to really make an argument for either side in this issue. I don't know what it's like to be black, so I really can't make a stance on that. I also know that being a cop is generally a scary, difficult job, so I hesitate to criticize a cop for acting in a way that helps his own survival. I do think education and better training is key, and that's all I really know.

Acknowledging there isn't an answer is more than half the battle in this case, in my opinion. It's difficult to do that. And the more I think about it, I do think the Black Lives Matter movement has a goal: "please acknowledge that racism does exist in white people, acknowledge it's a problem that is resulting in the disproportionate death of black children, and work with us to find a way to fix it." But, as white people, we don't and won't. 

There isn't too much change that occurs at the presidential level, compared to local politics. That's where things need to start and even if the presidential candidates suck people can and should still be involved locally. But so many people just don't care.

Also, I'm really interested in the idea of "human instinct" driving hate...? Hate is taught. You're not instinctually racist or sexist.