Steven Seagull Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 minute ago, crock6000 said: I am not talking about opinion here. Objectively, Bang Bang was their 4th #1 of all time and their fastest charting #1 of all time. Thats a fact, not an opinion. In order for Revolution Radio to beat it (in speed anyway) would be for it to jump to #1 by Tuesday. Oh Love was never #1. Oh Love debuted at #1 on the US Rock Songs. Facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: Oh Love debuted at #1 on the US Rock Songs. Facts! There are multiple Rock Songs charts, of which the Hot Rock and Mainstream Rock are the most important (both count both radio airplay and streaming). Oh Love debuted one on the Hot Rock chart if memory serves me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, crock6000 said: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7494582/green-day-bang-bang-mainstream-rock-songs-no-1 Your point? Oh Love still debuted at #1 making it the only GD song to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, crock6000 said: Oh Love was never #1. That is not true. It was released on July 16, 2012. It hit #1 on Top Rock Songs on 08/18/2012 and stayed there until right after iHeart, which was 09/23/12. Bang Bang is #1 on Mainstream Rock songs, which measures radio airplay. Top Rock Songs measures radio airplay, sales and random polls. Oh Love was #1 on that chart for over a month, which is actually the more impressive chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Scattered Wreck said: That is not true. It was released on July 16, 2012. It hit #1 on Top Rock Songs on 08/18/2012 and stayed there until right after iHeart, which was 09/23/12. Bang Bang is #1 on Mainstream Rock songs, which measures radio airplay. Top Rock Songs measures radio airplay, sales and random polls. Oh Love was #1 on that chart for over a month, which is actually the more impressive chart. You're right. I was confusing my charts. I'm honestly still baffled Oh Love managed to hold on to the crown for that long (and probably longer without iHeart). I guess they were still riding the 21CB/AI Broadway publicity wave at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 minute ago, crock6000 said: Sorry, but the industry considers the Mainstream Chart as the most important. http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7494582/green-day-bang-bang-mainstream-rock-songs-no-1 That article does not say that Mainstream Rock is considered more important than Top Rock Chart. It simply details Bang Bangs rise to the top of that chart. Of course they are going to highlight the chart they are the top of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, crock6000 said: Sorry, but the industry considers the Mainstream Chart as the most important. http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7494582/green-day-bang-bang-mainstream-rock-songs-no-1 Please don't make a fool outta yourself. Oh wait, you already did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Steven Seagull said: Please don't make a fool outta yourself. Oh wait, you already did. He didn't make a fool of himself, it is a simple discussion. You are the last one to talk about making a fool out of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeldachick14 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I can't get over that guitar at the beginning of the song. It's so damn good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Just now, zeldachick14 said: I can't get over that guitar at the beginning of the song. It's so damn good to me. Yeah. The intros for both RevRad and Bang Bang are killer in my opinion and giving my that Insomniac feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, crock6000 said: I didn't say THEY did, I said it because it's my business to know such things. This is minutea. Ok, everyone is right. /over L I was simply having a conversation. I didn't say anyone was right or wrong. And I defended you. Really no need to get pissy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedundantIdiot Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, zeldachick14 said: I can't get over that guitar at the beginning of the song. It's so damn good to me. Agreed. The guitar at the beginning of those songs will sound epic live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Tell me this guy is a troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share Posted September 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Jenn. said: The bass bit reminds me of another GD song but I can't think which one! Been listening out for it in other songs and turns out that it's actually done in quite a few! The ones I notice the most similarity in are Castaway and Christie Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share Posted September 12, 2016 @Steven Seagull @crock6000 Either talk about the song or just stop talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, crock6000 said: Two things. I have been speaking at Seagull or whatever this whole time, don't know where I "got pissy" at all, let alone at you. Second, I appreciate the defense but I'm good. Think it might be time to take my break until maybe the shows pop back up around. This is the normal course of things. I state facts and opinions from over 2 decades of working in an industry and come here and 20 somethings and even teens tell me what's right and wrong (not you) and it makes me want to 🔫 💣💣 🗽📻 You did tell me that we are talking minutes and that everyone us,right. I took that for you getting angry at me. Sorry if I musunderstood. I had no idea what industry you worked in. I am double a 20 something and work in marketing. Looking at numbers and analyzing performance based on them is what I do for a living. However, I do not work in the music industry. I have a question for you. Why is a chart that only measures radio airplay considered more important than a chart that measures airplay, streaming and sales? I'm not asking because I don't believe you, I'm asking because I want to know the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertrose Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 If You Loved ‘American Idiot,’ You’ll Love Green Day’s New Song ‘Revolution Radio’ Uber-dramatic rock operas are cool and all, but Green Day are finally returning to their roots with a good old-fashioned, in-your-face punk power anthem. Following last month’s menacing “Bang Bang,” the veteran pop-punkers are back with “Revolution Radio,” the title track of their upcoming 12th album. Like “Bang Bang,” the protest-minded stomper is all about tasting sweet rebellion, but this one has a catchier chorus (“We are revolution radio! / Operation no control!”) that demands to be screamed at the highest decibel. “Scream! / With your arms up in the sky / Like you want to testify / For the life that’s been deleted / Sing! / Like a rebel’s lullaby / Under the stars and stripes / For the lost souls that were cheated,” Billie Joe Armstrong demands over a stampede of guitars and powerful percussion. If you love “American Idiot” and “21st Century Breakdown,” rest assured you’ll love this one, too. In a recent interview with Rolling Stone, Armstrong said “Revolution Radio” was inspired by a protest he saw in New York City in 2014, where people were marching in response to the death of Michael Brown and the subsequent uprising in Ferguson, Missouri. “It was a trip to see people rebel against the old order,” Armstrong said. “I was just watching this controlled chaos, and it was going and happening all over the country. I was feeling that people don’t want to feel obsolete in the things that we care about. That’s sort of what the song is about.” Green Day’s Revolution Radio, in its all its punky glory, arrives October 7. http://www.mtv.com/news/2930465/green-day-revolution-radio/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, crock6000 said: "everyone is right" was me seeing where this was going and trying to nip it in the bud as these goofy "debates" are what usually send me away from GDC and so far up until this whatever, I had felt quite happy about the attitude of the forum. People seem to be in a good mood, and why not? Tour is coming, both singles are doing extremely well. Glad to see you are in the promotional business. I am curious as to what are of promotions you are in? I have been a promoter/producer/event coordinator since the early 90s. I am going to answer your question though in PM as to not cause anyone to tell me their thoughts on it and to not go off topic in the thread. Thanks, looking forward to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 18 hours ago, thatdude03 said: Is this song an actual single? "actual" single is a tough term to define, it is 100% a single 11 hours ago, MMwhatsername said: And what is the point in releasing just a song instead of a single? I mean, if it's not released to the radio, the audience is really limited. And I think RevRad would have more potential to be played on the radio than Bang Bang, at least the more mainstream stations. It's a single, don't you worry 9 hours ago, Second favourite son said: I actually think it is a single (it has a lyric video, bands don't do that for non-singles), but since there's no clear confirmation yet it's definitely possible that, at least for now, it's just an early-released album track. There's no reason, however, why they can't play an album track on the radio. Can it chart as a single if it's played/bought enough? Yep, it's a single. There's no such thing as an "early-released album track" unless it's a leak. Singles come in many varieties. It can chart with enough plays/downloads even without a radio release (see: All of Justin Bieber's last album). But it sounds as if this song has been handed out to stations already, so pretty silly to claim it's not a single on any front. Any standalone song released in front of an album or simply released on its own with no specific larger work coming after it is a single. Some singles get submitted to rock radio, some to top 40, some nowhere. For example, Twenty One Pilots released "Stressed Out" as a single prior to their album release in Spring '15, but didn't submit it to top 40 radio stations as a single until November of that year, long after the album release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterglasshalfempty Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 This and the previous page of the thread surely is a sight to behold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, crock6000 said: This page of this thread is just stupid. It is. Tends to happen when @Steven Seagull starts trying to agitate people for no reason during a civilised discussion about a song, which he knows he shouldn't do. Let's just move on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haushinka! Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I never understood why some people can't handle the slightest criticism of a band they love. If someone doesn't agree with you, oh well. Saying things like "shut up, and just enjoy the song!" doesn't really help your cause. It makes you look intolerant to opposing views/opinions. With that being said, this song is not terrible by any means. I really love the instrumentals in the track, I'm just not a huge fan of the lyrics. I think it's definitely "single-worthy," but singles usually aren't my favorite tracks on most albums anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 59 minutes ago, crock6000 said: Hope this cleared some confusion up if there was any or if anyone gives a flying fuck. "Mainstream charts are sort of the Billboard 100 of the new era (for Rock music)" Green Day has never, is not currently, and will never be, just a rock band. They're as crossover as they come. If they can't crack anywhere on the Hot 100 this album cycle, it will most likely be a commercial let down (barring a lot of other strong peripheral numbers). There's plenty of ways for rock music to find a spot in the HOT 100, it's just a more challenging task for rock acts than say an EDM artist. Rock isn't dead on the Hot 100 because of the Top Rock charts, it's dead because Rock is not popular anymore. DNCE, 5 SOS, One Direction, Walk the Moon, Maroon 5, all have had Top 100 (even top 40) singles in the last 2 years that classified as pop rock. Regardless of whether or not you'd like to hear Green Day's name amongst theirs, that's the model these days. Now, maybe Green Day can admit defeat at the hands of synths and electronic drums, focus on beating a bunch of washed up rock bands on Top Rock Charts all year, and be fine with that. But my hopes are tad higher for the youngest first-ballot RnR HOFs ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share Posted September 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Z J said: Now, maybe Green Day can admit defeat at the hands of synths and electronic drums, focus on beating a bunch of washed up rock bands on Top Rock Charts all year, but my hopes are tad higher for the youngest first-ballot RnR HOFs ever. Green Day can't change what music charts on the hot 100. They have 3 options: Admit they'll never chart well and give up trying - commercial & career suicide 'Sell out' - compromise their musical desires for success, become an EDM band who hold guitars they rarely play or something Actually outdo the competition. Release some fucking awesome songs which people buy because, well, they're awesome. Revolution Radio and Bang Bang have been big steps in the right direction post-trilogy, hopefully the rest of the album contains more of the same and some better I'd pick number 3, I hope they do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarPunk94 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I'm a guitar teacher for children (age 5-20), and there are many kids who asked me about GD recently because they have heard the new songs in the radio and now want to learn them mission accomplished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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