Semi-automatic lonely boy Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Eric said: I just don't get how a Green Day site doesn't enjoy a Green Day sounding record lol, very strict standards of the Punk Rock fan in 2016 because you're a mindless fanboy to not acknowledge that music is art and art isn't something just to consume (well if it's substantial at least), like a new pair of jeans, icecream, or your new iphone. you don't posess any form of critical thinking, if your mind can't grasp that there could be discussion about lyrics. people care about it, especially if they're emotionally involved in this band and actually care about the music on a deeper level, than how it will sell (see popular threads on this forum). THIS is what should be discussed, not marketing strategies how to sell green days music better. i almost vomit when i see you self proclaimed marceting experts on this board trying to figure out how to make green day as popular as possible. how does this relate to your life, the world or anything meaningful at all? money and success (and be it in the form of bands, sports clubs or anything else if yourself doesn't have success) seem to be the gods of the 21st century. you care about the wrong things. your mindset (and i don't mean you personally, but a lot of members on the board), as overexggerating as it may sound, are part of the problem western society has. consume, buy, fit in, be accepted, silence critic, reach "success", be popular. when crimsonark was giving substantial critique, they get back "you don't have any friends, do you?". that says it all. poor people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Semi-automatic lonely boy said: because you're a mindless fanboy to not acknowledge that music is art and art isn't something just to consume (well if it's substantial at least), like a new pair of jeans, icecream, or your new iphone. you don't posess any form of critical thinking, if your mind can't grasp that there could be discussion about lyrics. people care about it, especially if they're emotionally involved in this band and actually care about the music on a deeper level, than how it will sell (see popular threads on this forum). THIS is what should be discussed, not marketing strategies how to sell green days music better. i almost vomit when i see you self proclaimed marceting experts on this board trying to figure out how to make green day as popular as possible. how does this relate to your life, the world or anything meaningful at all? money and success (and be it in the form of bands, sports clubs or anything else if yourself doesn't have success) seem to be the gods of the 21st century. you care about the wrong things. your mindset (and i don't mean you personally, but a lot of members on the board), as overexggerating as it may sound, are part of the problem western society has. consume, buy, fit in, be accepted, silence critic, reach "success", be popular. when crimsonark was giving substantial critique, they get back "you don't have any friends, do you?". that says it all. poor people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Semi-automatic lonely boy said: because you're a mindless fanboy to not acknowledge that music is art and art isn't something just to consume (well if it's substantial at least), like a new pair of jeans, icecream, or your new iphone. you don't posess any form of critical thinking, if your mind can't grasp that there could be discussion about lyrics. people care about it, especially if they're emotionally involved in this band and actually care about the music on a deeper level, than how it will sell (see popular threads on this forum). THIS is what should be discussed, not marketing strategies how to sell green days music better. i almost vomit when i see you self proclaimed marceting experts on this board trying to figure out how to make green day as popular as possible. how does this relate to your life, the world or anything meaningful at all? money and success (and be it in the form of bands, sports clubs or anything else if yourself doesn't have success) seem to be the gods of the 21st century. you care about the wrong things. your mindset (and i don't mean you personally, but a lot of members on the board), as overexggerating as it may sound, are part of the problem western society has. consume, buy, fit in, be accepted, silence critic, reach "success", be popular. when crimsonark was giving substantial critique, they get back "you don't have any friends, do you?". that says it all. poor people. alright man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Folks, there's no reason to get this upset about each other's opinion. crimsonark (and others) have given substantial and thoroughly argumented critique from his perspective. There's absolutely no reason to go ad hominem against him. If you don't like anyone's opinion, just scroll past it and don't get into a tantrum or vilify someone. That goes for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus2000 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Dakke said: Well, we didn't enjoy Dos! too thoroughly (in particular Nightlife and Lady Cobra). Do you mean the song Lady Cobra? Man that was one of the best things on Dos, just a straight up ballsy rock n roll song. love it. Billie's voice is everywhere on it it's just awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just now, Platypus2000 said: Do you mean the song Lady Cobra? Man that was one of the best things on Dos, just a straight up ballsy rock n roll song. love it. Billie's voice is everywhere on it it's just awesome Hmm. I didn't like the song, but I'm not very fond of Dos! in general. I've always liked Tré! the most out of the three records. I love Lazy Bones and like SWTRLF (except for the whole 'I'll make you surrender' repetition), but that song just never grew on me. I guess it's one of the charms of the trilogy that everyone has other favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I get the argument that it's tiresome when people spend an inordinate amount of time going on and on about not liking something when they could be spending it talking about something they do like. Buuuut that's not happening here , just people giving their opinion on the song in a civil and reasoned manner which is exactly what the thread's for. Not really sure why people can't just talk about liking the song, talk about disliking the song, debate it or not debate it without fussing over what others want to talk about. @Eric If conversations where people dissect or criticise the song bother you then don't join in with them, no one's forcing you. Other people can have them if they want. @Everyone please stop making a discussion about a song personal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMANN99 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 They had me with this song until the BLM stuff -_-... I can hear MLK himself rolling in his grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, Hermione said: I get the argument that it's tiresome when people spend an inordinate amount of time going on and on about not liking something when they could be spending it talking about something they do like. Buuuut that's not happening here , just people giving their opinion on the song in a civil and reasoned manner which is exactly what the thread's for. Not really sure why people can't just talk about liking the song, talk about disliking the song, debate it or not debate it without fussing over what others want to talk about. @Eric If conversations where people dissect or criticise the song bother you then don't join in with them, no one's forcing you. Other people can have them if they want. @Everyone please stop making a discussion about a song personal! If there is a conversation about it, I will take part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus2000 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dakke said: Hmm. I didn't like the song, but I'm not very fond of Dos! in general. I've always liked Tré! the most out of the three records. I love Lazy Bones and like SWTRLF (except for the whole 'I'll make you surrender' repetition), but that song just never grew on me. I guess it's one of the charms of the trilogy that everyone has other favorites. That's fair enough, I actually really liked the trilogy as a whole, Tre being my least favourite probably, just for the slower songs, idk it felt they were trying too hard to make a hit ballad on there (Ironically Missing You is my favourite song from the entire trilogy haha), Uno is probably the best out of three but yeah you're right, people's opinions were really spread out about them, I digress though, I keep going off on tangents in topics that aren't about that certain thing haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, MADMANN99 said: They had me with this song until the BLM stuff -_-... I can hear MLK himself rolling in his grave I don't think there's anything specific relating to BLM in the video or the lyrics. It can appeal to all creeds of protesters and disenfranchised. Even 99 Revolutions was more specific than RR in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus2000 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, MADMANN99 said: They had me with this song until the BLM stuff -_-... I can hear MLK himself rolling in his grave It's just the perspective Billie wrote it from, as the song goes it's completely open to interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMANN99 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dakke said: I don't think there's anything specific relating to BLM in the video or the lyrics. It can appeal to all creeds of protesters and disenfranchised. Even 99 Revolutions was more specific than RR in that regard. I know, it has more to do with Billie's interview about the song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Eric said: If there is a conversation about it, I will take part in it. Feel free to, but there's not a lot of point in complaining every time someone says something negative about the song or dissects it. Not everyone's going to like it and some people like to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 minute ago, MADMANN99 said: I know, it has more to do with Billie's interview about the song I also don't agree with everything Billie says in interviews, be it about politics or music. I always give GD songs my own interpretation when I listen to them. Off-topic: what's up with the disappeared ranks under the avatars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMANN99 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dakke said: I also don't agree with everything Billie says in interviews, be it about politics or music. I always give GD songs my own interpretation when I listen to them. Off-topic: what's up with the disappeared ranks under the avatars? Same that's how I feel, I'm just disappointed to see someone like Billie drinking the SJW kool-aid (the kool-aid comment has nothing to do with BLM btw XD) I feel like this song is about how when people take a stand people will be there to shut them up with scare tactics, no matter what side they represent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just now, MADMANN99 said: Same that's how I feel, I'm just disappointed to see someone like Billie drinking the SJW kool-aid (the kool-aid comment has nothing to do with BLM btw XD) You're surprised that someone who's consistently supported social justice vocally supports social justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMANN99 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just now, Libertine Angel said: You're surprised that someone who's consistently supported social justice vocally supports social justice? Well BLM is extremely counter-productive to social justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 minute ago, MADMANN99 said: Same that's how I feel, I'm just disappointed to see someone like Billie drinking the SJW kool-aid (the kool-aid comment has nothing to do with BLM btw XD) To be fair, Billie's political opinions have always been left of center, but he's always been consistent and that's what I appreciate about him. He may not grasp the fine nuances of politics, but he is very savvy in understanding and capturing people's sentiments about issues affecting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMANN99 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I'm not surprised at all that he represents groups that advocate for, or are at least perceived as advocating for social justice. Just now, Dakke said: To be fair, Billie's political opinions have always been left of center, but he's always been consistent and that's what I appreciate about him. He may not grasp the fine nuances of politics, but he is very savvy in understanding and capturing people's sentiments about issues affecting them. True, he's definetely vocal with his thoughts, which I happen to like whether or not i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, MADMANN99 said: Well BLM is extremely counter-productive to social justice That's highly questionable to say the least, but not the thread for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, MADMANN99 said: I'm not surprised at all that he represents groups that advocate for, or are at least perceived as advocating for social justice. Well, then there's no reason to make a fuzz about it. I can separate Billie's political opinions in RS and Kerrand and on Instagram from his lyrics, which are quite universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMANN99 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Dakke said: Well, then there's no reason to make a fuzz about it. I can separate Billie's political opinions in RS and Kerrand and on Instagram from his lyrics, which are quite universal. I may have misspoke, I didn't mean I have anything against the song itself (I actually love it), I just feel like billie's pov while writing it is misguided 2 minutes ago, Libertine Angel said: That's highly questionable to say the least, but not the thread for it. I agree, and I'm not going into detail about it xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, MADMANN99 said: I may have misspoke, I didn't mean I have anything against the song itself (I actually love it), I just feel like billie's pov while writing it is misguided I agree, and I'm not going into detail about it xD I respect and understand your point of view, but I think Billie's politics and BLM are something to that need to be discussed in a separate thread. So, about the song: I'm curious as to how it will compare with Say Goodbye, which is apparently a hyperpolitical track. I wonder if Billie remained intentionally vague lyrically with RR basically preceded and followed by more explicit tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMANN99 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dakke said: I respect and understand your point of view, but I think Billie's politics and BLM are something to that need to be discussed in a separate thread. So, about the song: I'm curious as to how it will compare with Say Goodbye, which is apparently a hyperpolitical track. I wonder if Billie remained intentionally vague lyrically with RR basically preceded and followed by more explicit tracks. First off, I'm not going to start a discussion about BLM, I usually have those cancerous conversations over on Candid xD, my only grievance was the pov Billie wrote if from I'm not wanting to go into detail here. I agree this isn't the thread for it. That is pretty interesting though how say goodbye might be more out and about, it would be more interesting to hear more about Billie's perspective. Besides BLM, his views do seem very nuanced for someone living in the 21st century, and if i'm wrong it will still be an interesting song. I actually love it when music makes me think, whether i agree with the point or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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