02 - Bang Bang

[Eric]

3 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said:

What is this "something else" you speak of?

He said he was bored and wants more. How about find some other music to listen to til we get more music from them. Anything...there is a lot out there to choose from in the world of music.

[Billie Hoe]

Just now, Eric said:

He said he was bored and wants more. How about find some other music to listen to til we get more music from them. Anything...there is a lot out there to choose from in the world of music.

i was joking i know what you mean i just wanted to emphasize how i literally only listen to bang bang at the moment

[Eric]

3 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said:

i was joking i know what you mean i just wanted to emphasize how i literally only listen to bang bang at the moment

ok?

[Billie Hoe]

Just now, Eric said:

ok?

it's all cool  

[Eric]

2 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said:

it's all cool  

Yeah I can tell it's not...

[DookieLukie]

I will say that the vocals get lost in the loudness of the instrumentals of the song, and they're very chimey when they're isolated. That's really my only complaint. I think everything else sounds good.

[Sarcasm]

it may be a tad overproduced, but I'm sure it'll be great live anyway 

[TimmyChunks]

7 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

I will say that the vocals get lost in the loudness of the instrumentals of the song, and they're very chimey when they're isolated. That's really my only complaint. I think everything else sounds good.

I think you are on to something- I think the song is a 9.5 out of 10, I really do. It's damn near perfect, but the one tiny item that's bugged me a little is the vocals- I think they're a little too thin and a little too cleaned up/ technical if that makes sense. The song could have benefited somewhat from the loud/ powerful and rudimentary vocals of a Dookie/ Insomniac style delivery (especially the latter). However, I am not sTure if this would have worked, since then they might have started to overshadow the rest of the mix, and I absolutely adore the drumming and guitars on this one. I guess you need to compromise something on the final mix- you can't have every element turned to 11 Spinal Tap style.

That said, it's an incredible song and very, very happy with it. I think the live version will be even better once Billie is singing full throttle.

 

[DookieLukie]

Just now, Jake69 said:

Kind of a random thought. I wish Green Day would do what the Foo Fighters did with wasting light. Recored everything in a garage and ditch all the computers. Recored everything on tape machines. That would sound so bad ass. 

Well they recorded in a house, including drums in the bathroom, so that's pretty cool on its own. And idk, Wasting Light was really good and it's cool that they did that, but half the time I'll argue that technology has brought us so many innovative ways to produce music, so why ignore good tools in your toolbox?

[WhiteTim]

18 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

Well they recorded in a house, including drums in the bathroom, so that's pretty cool on its own. And idk, Wasting Light was really good and it's cool that they did that, but half the time I'll argue that technology has brought us so many innovative ways to produce music, so why ignore good tools in your toolbox?

There are some people who prefer the sound of analog over digital (Myself is apart of that crowd sorry but digital will never give the same sound analog gets however I don't knock digital at all) 

[Maddie86]

1 hour ago, WhiteTim said:

There are some people who prefer the sound of analog over digital (Myself is apart of that crowd sorry but digital will never give the same sound analog gets however I don't knock digital at all) 

so when exactly was the last analog green day recording? I think I remember reading that the drums for AI were recorded to tape and then dumped into pro tools. I swear I remember there was an interview out there with Rob Cavallo saying that pro tools was a huge part of that recording. I also remember reading something about Warning being a digital recording, I think it was in one of the GD biographies that I have

[WhiteTim]

4 minutes ago, Kyle Serlington said:

so when exactly was the last analog green day recording? I think I remember reading that the drums for AI were recorded to tape and then dumped into pro tools. I swear I remember there was an interview out there with Rob Cavallo saying that pro tools was a huge part of that recording. I also remember reading something about Warning being a digital recording, I think it was in one of the GD biographies that I have

Most likely Dookie or Insomniac was the last Green Day album to be purely analog 

FBHT was the last GD related to be done analog 

pro tools became more common in major studios around 95/96 altho a lot of bands/producers still stuck with tape or DA88 or Adats for a while so it really depends on the band and what Rob chose to work with I'm assuming Nimrod was done on pro tools due to how fast they did the strings Rob said it took him only 2-3 takes in 20-30 mins 

[Maddie86]

3 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

Most likely Dookie or Insomniac was the last Green Day album to be purely analog 

FBHT was the last GD related to be done analog 

yeah I knew about FBHT. Dookie was definitely analog, and I'm assuming that Insomniac was too. I bet nimrod was also tape. I know there's a tape machine in one of the studios at Jingletown. I could see them not using it with the trilogy because there's too many songs and tape would be a pain in the ass, but it would have been cool if they used it on revrad. digital's come a long way though. I know I'm in the minority but i love the mix on bang bang. I don't care that the vocals are low, I think the drums sound great, especially the kick and the toms. The snare's not as crisp as some of their older recordings but i think it sounds fine. The bass sounds a little muddy though, one thing i liked about the trilogy was the bass tone. The guitars sound fine but they're not my favorite. I liked the guitar tone on insomniac a lot but I thought they needed to be louder. I LOVE how the guitar sound on hitchin a ride. the guitars were kind of all over the place in nimrod though

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[tresexy101]

3 hours ago, Jake69 said:

What

NOFX - and pick up a guitar... if u can play three power chords... ur golden.  u can make a love song out of that and throw pebbles at ur girls window and marinade her.

[Z J]

10 hours ago, Harry Potter. said:

Billie said himself that sometimes he doesn't know what something means but writes it anyway. We should accept the fact that not everything has to mean something.

Beautiful thing about it is, we can draw our own interpretations, maybe they're right, maybe they're not, really doesn't matter

9 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

I didn't say you shouldn't use metaphors here and there. When you listen to the songs you listed you understand them straight away. With Bang Bang there's just too many weird word combinations put together.

They're only weird if you aren't comfortable with english written form. The written tradition in poetry has always been this way, combining words and phrases that seemingly don't belong, it's a technique, and it's an impressive feature of Billie's writing. It can be done poorly, of course, but most poets (And I mean that is really what we are talking about here, poetry) would point to that distinct ability to create an impact using these atypical word combos/metaphors as a highlight of Billie's songwriting.

10 hours ago, Eric said:

Lyrics got to be serious dude to be a good song bro don't you know serious complex lyrics are the only thing that makes songs good, you can't have zero fun or anything. Gotz to be non simple

Literally no one claims this , but yeah, complex lyrics done catchily are more impressive than simple lyrics done catchily...that's just how it works. Doesn't mean you can't do either. Side note, but nothing about a "Makeout Party" with a married 40 year old seemed "fun" to me

10 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

 

GD used to write simple lyrics until like Warning and no one can say that those lyrics were bad. To me lyrics really don't mean much because the melodic part is way more important. That's why a good song will always have good instrumentals not the lyrics. I don't like songs where you don't understand what the writer is saying when you listen to the song. You can say something in a really simple way, you don't have to package your every thought in a metaphor so you can say you're a better writer. Now go listen to Bloodbath at Burger King by TB for example and tell me if those lyrics aren't awesome even though they couldn't get more simple. They just work. Or go listen When The Wild wind blows by IM. Again lyrics are simple but they tell a story and you understand them immediately. I really don't like the writing style Billie uses now. To me it's completely unnecessary and I don't understand shit he's sayin'

Yeah in a world where parts of Dookie, almost all of Insomniac, and most of Nimrod don't exist, you're right! Simple! Writers grow, they get better, you don't understand much about writing if you think more metaphor=complexity. Look, I personally look for melody above all else. I love pop music. I love trap music. The lyrics can be absolutely mindless, and I'll enjoy it, because I care more about the hook. But when you can write a catchy hook that coins the phrase "Celebrity Martyr" and rhymes it with drama then you have done something no one has been able to before. I personally think you don't get Bang Bang because you don't live in the States, culturally, it suits the nature of mass shooters here very well. It lacks cohesiveness at times but nothing in there doesn't make any sense. 

[Eric]

3 minutes ago, Z J said:

Literally no one claims this , but yeah, complex lyrics done catchily are more impressive than simple lyrics done catchily...that's just how it works. Doesn't mean you can't do either. Side note, but nothing about a "Makeout Party" with a married 40 year old seemed "fun" to me

 

I saw it somewhere in this thread as I was trying to balance time on here and work on the other tab so I know myself it was worth stating. I by all means want catchy complex lyrics. Sometimes I do not find it necessary. I mean shit sometimes it's fun to just vibe out to songs and I don't have to take them too seriously. Plus I never said everything was flawless with the trilogy, it definitely had its flaws but I will not bitch about it for 4+ years.  

4 hours ago, Sarcasm said:

it may be a tad overproduced, but I'm sure it'll be great live anyway 

lol it's always something with you people. Maybe there will be a Demo Revolution with every track in its rawest form possible for those not happy if the album is overproduced! 

[Z J]

Just now, Eric said:

I saw it somewhere in this thread as I was trying to balance time on here and work on the other tab so I know myself it was worth stating. I by all means want catchy complex lyrics. Sometimes I do not find it necessary. I mean shit sometimes it's fun to just vibe out to songs and I don't have to take them too seriously. Plus I never said everything was flawless with the trilogy, it definitely had its flaws but I will not bitch about it for 4+ years.  

yeah to be fair I haven't followed it closely enough, I HOPE no one would claim as much,  alas this is GDC :p. However those people are just unreasonable, so we'll ignore them. Green Day hasn't been a "vibe out" band for over a decade, but I obviously don't disagree, I don't take music that seriously, every kind has its merit (I type as the new Justin Bieber song plays in the background)

[Steven Seagull]

29 minutes ago, Z J said:

Beautiful thing about it is, we can draw our own interpretations, maybe they're right, maybe they're not, really doesn't matter

They're only weird if you aren't comfortable with english written form. The written tradition in poetry has always been this way, combining words and phrases that seemingly don't belong, it's a technique, and it's an impressive feature of Billie's writing. It can be done poorly, of course, but most poets (And I mean that is really what we are talking about here, poetry) would point to that distinct ability to create an impact using these atypical word combos/metaphors as a highlight of Billie's songwriting.

Literally no one claims this , but yeah, complex lyrics done catchily are more impressive than simple lyrics done catchily...that's just how it works. Doesn't mean you can't do either. Side note, but nothing about a "Makeout Party" with a married 40 year old seemed "fun" to me

Yeah in a world where parts of Dookie, almost all of Insomniac, and most of Nimrod don't exist, you're right! Simple! Writers grow, they get better, you don't understand much about writing if you think more metaphor=complexity. Look, I personally look for melody above all else. I love pop music. I love trap music. The lyrics can be absolutely mindless, and I'll enjoy it, because I care more about the hook. But when you can write a catchy hook that coins the phrase "Celebrity Martyr" and rhymes it with drama then you have done something no one has been able to before. I personally think you don't get Bang Bang because you don't live in the States, culturally, it suits the nature of mass shooters here very well. It lacks cohesiveness at times but nothing in there doesn't make any sense. 

There's nothing catchy about that song but whatever.

[Z J]

Just now, Steven Seagull said:

There's nothing catchy about that song but whatever.

to you, perhaps, but you do understand how subjective that phrase is, right? It's not that there's nothing catchy, it's that you just don't like the melody. It is soundly more well received by fans/media than Oh Love was, so while you personally can say you don't find it catchy, it matters little. 

[Fuzz]

1 hour ago, Steven Seagull said:

There's nothing catchy about that song but whatever.

You've posted 42 times in a thread for a song you dislike. We got it. You need to stop already before you end up suspended again.

[Sixtrix]

1 hour ago, Steven Seagull said:

There's nothing catchy about that song but whatever.

Sorry for being like the 100th person quoting this, but it's quite clear you are here only to annoy people. Once you can't win an argument about the lyrics not being simple you switch to the song not being catchy.

Maybe you should just switch to a different topic where you can express something more positive, I'm sure it will be good for yourself as well.

[Mary711]

I listened to it a few times in a row while driving in my car yesterday and really enjoyed it. It finally settled that they indeed are back.

[Chin for a Day]

If you ignore him, he will go away.  

[Billie Hoe]

Bang Bang is pretty damn catchy if you ask me  I've been singing it all the time, it's stuck in my head probably 24/7 and I don't even notice it anymore, it's just there. It's not a song you listen to once or twice and move on, you have to play it often and fucking loud  and if you don't play it your head will do it for you