Sanity Loan Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 24 minutes ago, Comrade said: Dude, don't take it so personally. Yes, it is an opinion. I'm entitled to express it. Don't cry. How did I take it personally? I'm just trying to have a conversation with you to try and understand your point of view by providing an opposing opinion. I know you're entitled to express your opinion, and I totally respect it, I was just commenting on it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post legendary Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 24 minutes ago, Comrade said: Dude, don't take it so personally. Yes, it is an opinion. I'm entitled to express it. Don't cry. We don't all need to suck the holy dick of Green Day with every release. And don't automatically assume that because someone has a different opinion to yours they don't understand. I pay a whole lot of attention to American news. I teach journalism. A whole module I teach is comparing US and British media and the history/culture that lead to those differences. Especially the gun and mad shooting debate - we had the IRA through the 70s, 80s and early 90s. I understand tragedy. I understand the power of the NRA, the unregulated and bipartisan media hurling agenda dressed as news and the psychological effect that has on a less than educated, deracinated public. But I do not think this song tackles it well. It is lyrically clumsy, melodically stale, and deeply shallow in it appprach. You want entering the psyche of a psychopathic killer, listen to Goodbye Earl by the Dixie Chicks. Guilty Conscience or Kim by Eminem. In comparison, this sounds and reads like a bloke who is describing something he has seen on the TV, not something he had a genuinely connection with. It feels emotionally inauthentic. The 'daddy's little psycho line' is a good lyric, but it's a shite sounding hook. It isn't catchy and tbh, I'm dreading hearing it live. Contrast the melody and production with the leading singles of American Idiot, Dookie, Nimrod especially, and it's just not at that high level. This is not a song relevant for (mainstream) radio. When you have guitar bands like Foals, Tame Impala, Arctic Monkeys, The 1975 and Catfish and the Bottlemen making immediate, sexy, youthful rock of various shades over the last few years this just doesn't stand up - and they're struggling against a general trend away from rock, especially politicised rock. I'm not a musician but I know the sound of quality production when I hear it, and Killing In The Name Of... this is not. Just because I don't think ita great doesn't mean to someone else it can't be, likewise, just because you think it is doesn't mean everyone else has to. Objectively this is not their best song ever. Subjectively you may think this is a strong piece of music, but objectively the whole of the world isn't going to agree with that. Blablablablablablablablablablablabla 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Christian's Inferno! Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Steven Seagull said: THIS! I wrote this yesterday. -shitty static intro that should be completely removed -weird bridge that ruins the fast pace -no catchy chorus -not to mention that the riff sounds like Territorial Pissings -lyrics make no sense +guitar tone sounds like something from Kerplunk +that "world war zero" scream 4/10 Your first post on this thread was "I wrote this on Twitter. It's like Kerplunk, Trilogy, Dookie and Insomniac had a baby. Kewl song." Now it seems you hate it just because mostly everyone else likes it. What's this obsession you have with being in the minority? Hating AI and 21CB, loving the trilogy and now disliking this song 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Comrade Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, legendary said: Blablablablablablablablablablablabla #fans 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeJennsitized Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 To be fair, I don't think the song 'perfectly captures' the mindset of a shooter, because do we really know that mindset? And are all those mindsets the same? But I think Billie Joe was just exploring the possibilities of it - because of course he has no genuine connection with a mass shooter, come on! Some of the lyrics are jarring, contradictory, maybe even a bit clumsy, but I'm pretty sure that's intentional. That's not me trying to change anyone's mind - just explaining why I personally love the lyrics. I love the song. There've been songs I haven't liked, and I don't think it's fair to insinuate that because people love this song, they love everything the band put out. Though even if they do, lol who even cares? Good for them, whatever. It doesn't affect my opinions of the music. Edit: @Comrade, I don't question your love of the band btw. I'm a huge fan of a TV show that could do better a lot of the time and I rag on it a lot, but it's my show, y'know? I want what's best for it. And I can see it's the same for you and GD. I just don't agree with your assessment of the song on this occasion. And that's totally fine! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Green day aren't making music to be relevant. It's a fantastic song, who cares if it doesn't make top 40 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeJennsitized Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 Also I'm sorry but the song is catchy as fuck. I got various lines going over and over in my head at various times of the day. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayish Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 "Give me death or give me head" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendary Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 39 minutes ago, Comrade said: #fans Just as you have your opinion, I have mine in not agree with your opinion. Your opinion to me is a big bullshit nonsensical. That's just my opinion, no hard feelings, no tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post localinsomniac Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 Best lead single since American Idiot. Yes, that's my opinion. No, I won't dig up a fuck to give if you disagree. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N A I Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Jenn123 said: Also I'm sorry but the song is catchy as fuck. I got various lines going over and over in my head at various times of the day. hurrah (bang bang!) hurrah (bang bang!) that's what's in my head now Edited August 19, 2016 by N A I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 This is like a Blink thread all over again. If you don't like something you're just a hater. 1 hour ago, MysticManiac said: Your first post on this thread was "I wrote this on Twitter. It's like Kerplunk, Trilogy, Dookie and Insomniac had a baby. Kewl song." Now it seems you hate it just because mostly everyone else likes it. What's this obsession you have with being in the minority? Hating AI and 21CB, loving the trilogy and now disliking this song It's still a kewl song. I included the pluses of the song. And the biggest plus is that it sounds like early GD. The song itself is average because it's boring. Like a song you skip everytime you listen to the album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post inthehallwaynow Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: Like a song you skip everytime you listen to the album. Judging from that facebook live video Billie says if you enjoy bang bang you'll love the rest of the album looks like you'll probably have to skip this one budday. bummer 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 minute ago, inthehallwaynow said: Judging from that facebook live video Billie says if you enjoy bang bang you'll love the rest of the album looks like you'll probably have to skip this one budday. bummer Could also interpret that as. "This is the shittiest song on the album, if you liked this one you have really low standards and will like the rest of the album." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Matt. said: 2. Opinion. Maybe you don't understand the the lyrics behind the song, which is possible since you're not in the US. To me, as a resident of the US and someone who pays a little attention to the happens in the country, the lyrics are actually quite clever and very true. I completely agree with your post, I just want to say that these lyrics, as all the best Billie's lyrics, have the ability of create a connection with people coming from different experiences and backgrounds. You don't have to be American to understand his message, to appreciate this song in its entirety. I'm European and I immediately understood what he's talking about. Probably the song means something a bit different for me, more related to all the shit that's happening here, but I think this is something positive. Sadly you have to live on the North Pole without an Internet connection (or a radio ) to be completely distant from the message of Bang Bang. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jake69 said: At least @Comrade explained himself well. You are just saying this to be in the minority. k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 55 minutes ago, legendary said: Just as you have your opinion, I have mine in not agree with your opinion. Your opinion to me is a big bullshit nonsensical. You'll want to work on your bedside manner, just calling someone's opinion 'big bullshit nonsensical' just comes across as....cuntish rude. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: Could also interpret that as. "This is the shittiest song on the album, if you liked this one you have really low standards and will like the rest of the album." Definitely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 The bridge is the best part of the song and the song itself has this anthem vibe I really enjoy. I'm having a hard time figuring out why someone would dislike this song, I could understand if someone said it was "okay" but dislike it? Mmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brooklyn Baby Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 Ah, and here we have an example of Green Day fans being cunts to anyone who doesn't toe the line, regardless of how clearly, respectfully, and intelligently the dissenting opinion is expressed. Most of the people disagreeing with Tom are coming off as very childish - it's not a good look for you. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Brooklyn Baby said: Ah, and here we have an example of Green Day fans being cunts to anyone who doesn't toe the line, regardless of how clearly, respectfully, and intelligently the dissenting opinion is expressed. Most of the people disagreeing with Tom are coming off as very childish - it's not a good look for you. We all have childish tendencies sometimes hmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chin for a Day Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Clayish said: "Give me death or give me head" There actually is a psychological link with mass shooters and sexual frustration. They replace their lack of sex with destruction. I think that line is just brilliant. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 39 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: Could also interpret that as. "This is the shittiest song on the album, if you liked this one you have really low standards and will like the rest of the album." It's fine that you don't like the new single. But I think there's a line between honestly not liking a song because of reasonable reasons and simply trying too hard to show everyone how you differ with your opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Sixtrix said: It's fine that you don't like the new single. But I think there's a line between honestly not liking a song because of reasonable reasons and simply trying too hard to show everyone how you differ with your opinion. So listing 5 valid points is not a reasonable reason to dislike a song? Ok you really need to stop with this. If you don't like opinions that are not just positive you better leave GDC like now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: There actually is a psychological link with mass shooters and sexual frustration. They replace their lack of sex with destruction. I think that line is just brilliant. That lyric instantly made me think of the 2014 Isla Vista shootings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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