02 - Bang Bang

[Dakke]

1 minute ago, PussySlayer said:

You mean fucking?

No, fwooing

[CrimsonArk]

20 hours ago, 21guns&novacaine said:

Soo... Now I have a question.

Green Day said a while back that they wanted to destroy the term 'Pop punk' with their new album. 

Do you guys think they succeeded with that from what we can tell from this single?

Uh. No.

[Harry Potter.]

They won't destroy anything with it, but the song is a nice evolution of their sound. There's no pop punk left in Bang Bang, only their harder, more rocking sound.

[PussySlayer]

20 hours ago, 21guns&novacaine said:

Soo... Now I have a question.

Green Day said a while back that they wanted to destroy the term 'Pop punk' with their new album. 

Do you guys think they succeeded with that from what we can tell from this single?

I thought they made pop punk popular.

[Libertine Angel]

Just now, PussySlayer said:

I thought they made pop punk popular.

I should just be copy/pasting this by now, but have you ever heard of Buzzcocks?

[PussySlayer]

Just now, Libertine Angel said:

I should just be copy/pasting this by now, but have you ever heard of Buzzcocks?

Yeah yeah yeah... I mean in 1990s.

[Z J]

13 minutes ago, Libertine Angel said:

I should just be copy/pasting this by now, but have you ever heard of Buzzcocks?

I'd argue that Green Day is far more of an influence in the genre, and made it much closer to the mainstream with pop punk than the Buzzcocks. Unless the buzzcocks have a diamond album lying around that I'm unaware of (which is possible, I actually don't know much about their sales #s). 

[UNICORN VOMIT]

1 minute ago, Z J said:

I'd argue that Green Day is far more of an influence in the genre, and made it much closer to the mainstream than the Buzzcocks. Unless the buzzcocks have a diamond album lying around that I'm unaware of (which is possible, I actually don't know much about their sales #s). 

@Libertine Angel He's got ya there Jimmy

[Z J]

I don't know if this has been talked about yet, but I like this song's lyrics as a continuation of Having A Blast. Billie's focus with the gun issue seems to fall to the psychosis-- the hero complex of the people committing heinous gun crimes. He wrote from the perspective of the shooter (I know it was a bomb, but I digress) with Having A Blast. In Bang Bang he's a removed narrator addressing the character from Having A Blast using that biting sarcasm and irony that he does so well to paint the true insanity and futility of mass shooters. I don't know if he even thought of Having A Blast while writing Bang Bang, but the echoes speak to his focus on the issue

[ollhjr]

1.  I actually enjoyed the fact that we had so little information leading into this single's release, along with the album.  While getting all the videos and articles during the process of the trilogy being recorded was a great insight to the process, I know I overanalyzed everything and ruined my initial experience with the albums.  I was expecting a certain sound and got something else.  This time around I set no expectations for the album on any front, and I was pleasantly surprised with Bang Bang.

2.  This song is pumpass!  I can only hope that it is used as a setlist opener to get the people going, unless they go with Revolution Radio or Somewhere Now.  I love how this song is a combination of what they have done sonically and lyrically, but is still an evolution to their own sound.  

3.  It took a little bit on Thursday, but this song reminded me of the whole Elliot Rodger situation from two years ago.  The fact that I had to try to narrow down what specific mass shooter this song reminds me of is pretty sad, although you could make an argument for a lot of the shooters over the last five years.  There are enough lines in the song that make me think of this particular shooter.

"You're dead!  I'm well fed.  Give me death or give me head.  Daddy's little psycho and Mommy's little soldier."  Elliot was from a very well to do family and his sexual frustration led him to think that carrying out his manifesto was the right thing to do.  Plus, it seemed like he had jealousy of his father who didn't have any problems with his wealth or love life.  His dad even said that they didn't have that great of a relationship for quite a long time.  

"I testify like a lullaby of memories.  Broadcasting live and it's on my radio.  I got my photobomb, I got my Vietnam.  I love a lie just like anybody else."  Elliot had posted videos and written on message boards prior to the shooting.  He posted his manifesto online for the world to see before he carried out this atrocity.  His sexual frustration that had been going on his life to that point was his Vietnam.  That somehow him not getting laid was his own private war that he was never going to win.  I think the lie he believed was the fact that he had money and fancy things (broadcasting from my room and playing with my toys_, along with supposedly being the "nice guy", was going to be all he had to do to get with women (or at least the ones he was attracted to).  This is a narrative that has been put out that because you have all of these things and are attracted to someone, they have to want you just as much.  I mean he called himself a supreme gentlemen and the perfect guy. In the end his inability to take responsibility to look in the mirror to see his own faults led to his own downfall.  

"I want to be a celebrity martyr.  The leading man in my own private drama.  The hero of the hour."  "It's my private holy war.  Oh baby baby this is Viva Vendetta.  For this is love or its' World War Zero."  Somehow I see Elliot thinking that what he was doing was acting on behalf of all those that were sexually frustrated as him, and that he was going to be seen as a hero/good guy by them.  That by taking this "stand", he was going to be better off.  Based on what I can remember, from a young age he noticed that there was a social hierarchy and that he didn't fit in.  That even with everything else he had, he couldn't move up.  He built this up so much that it consumed him and his inability to get with women.  By creating these videos, writing these posts, and carrying out his manifesto/war on women he could finally have the power and control he wanted. 

[Dakke]

2 minutes ago, ollhjr said:

1.  I actually enjoyed the fact that we had so little information leading into this single's release, along with the album.  While getting all the videos and articles during the process of the trilogy being recorded was a great insight to the process, I know I overanalyzed everything and ruined my initial experience with the albums.  I was expecting a certain sound and got something else.  This time around I set no expectations for the album on any front, and I was pleasantly surprised with Bang Bang.

2.  This song is pumpass!  I can only hope that it is used as a setlist opener to get the people going, unless they go with Revolution Radio or Somewhere Now are used.  I love how this song is a combination of what they have done sonically and lyrically, but is still an evolution to their own sound.  

3.  It took a little bit on Thursday, but this song reminded me of the whole Elliot Rodger situation from two years ago.  The fact that I had to try to narrow down what specific mass shooter this song reminds me of is pretty sad, although you could make an argument for a lot of the shooters over the last five years.  There are enough lines in the song that make me think of this particular shooter.

"You're dead!  I'm well fed.  Give me death or give me head.  Daddy's little psycho and Mommy's little soldier."  Elliot was from a very well to do family and his sexual frustration led him to think that carrying out his manifesto was the right thing to do.  Plus, it seemed like he had jealousy of his father who didn't have any problems with his wealth or love life.  His dad even said that they didn't have that great of a relationship for quite a long time.  

"I testify like a lullaby of memories.  Broadcasting live and it's on my radio.  I got my photobomb, I got my Vietnam.  I love a lie just like anybody else."  Elliot had posted videos and written on message boards prior to the shooting.  He posted his manifesto online for the world to see before he carried out this atrocity.  His sexual frustration that had been going on his life to that point was his Vietnam.  That somehow him not getting laid was his own private war that he was never going to win.  I think the lie he believed was the fact that he had money and fancy things (broadcasting from my room and playing with my toys_, along with supposedly being the "nice guy", was going to be all he had to do to get with women (or at least the ones he was attracted to).  This is a narrative that has been put out that because you have all of these things and are attracted to someone, they have to want you just as much.  I mean he called himself a supreme gentlemen and the perfect guy. In the end his inability to take responsibility to look in the mirror to see his own faults led to his own downfall.  

"I want to be a celebrity martyr.  The leading man in my own private drama.  The hero of the hour."  "It's my private holy war.  Oh baby baby this is Viva Vendetta.  For this is love or its' World War Zero."  Somehow I see Elliot thinking that what he was doing was acting on behalf of all those that were sexually frustrated as him, and that he was going to be seen as a hero/good guy by them.  That by taking this "stand", he was going to be better off.  Based on what I can remember, from a young age he noticed that there was a social hierarchy and that he didn't fit in.  That even with everything else he had, he couldn't move up.  He built this up so much that it consumed him and his inability to get with women.  By creating these videos, writing these posts, and carrying out his manifesto/war on women he could finally have the power and control he wanted. 

Now that's some interestig background information. The lyrics could indeed very well be inspired by the Elliot Rodger thing.

[Libertine Angel]

15 minutes ago, Z J said:

I'd argue that Green Day is far more of an influence in the genre, and made it much closer to the mainstream with pop punk than the Buzzcocks. Unless the buzzcocks have a diamond album lying around that I'm unaware of (which is possible, I actually don't know much about their sales #s). 

 

13 minutes ago, BillyjoelxkidXx said:

@Libertine Angel He's got ya there Jimmy

Nah, Buzzcocks are the primary influence on it overall having invented it, Green Day may have revitalised it but any pop-punk band owes Buzzcocks on some level and Singles Going Steady is generally regarded as the blueprint of pop punk. As to making it more mainstream I'd agree, though Buzzcocks never having much label support would have at least some input to that.

[Tubbie Head]

Have you guys tried singing along the Hurrah - Bang Bang!, Hurrah -Bang Bang! While singing both parts? Me and my sister did that and we couldn't stop laughing. We speed up both parts and it ends up sounding hilarious. Totally the way I'm gonna sing it at a concert! hahah

[UNICORN VOMIT]

Just now, Tubbie Head said:

Have you guys tried singing along the Hurrah - Bang Bang!, Hurrah -Bang Bang! While singing both parts? Me and my sister did that and we couldn't stop laughing. We speed up both parts and it ends up sounding hilarious. Totally the way I'm gonna sing it at a concert! hahah

I know I can't stop thinking about this song live.  Its gonna be awesome

[Chin for a Day]

1 hour ago, ollhjr said:

1.  I actually enjoyed the fact that we had so little information leading into this single's release, along with the album.  While getting all the videos and articles during the process of the trilogy being recorded was a great insight to the process, I know I overanalyzed everything and ruined my initial experience with the albums.  I was expecting a certain sound and got something else.  This time around I set no expectations for the album on any front, and I was pleasantly surprised with Bang Bang.

2.  This song is pumpass!  I can only hope that it is used as a setlist opener to get the people going, unless they go with Revolution Radio or Somewhere Now.  I love how this song is a combination of what they have done sonically and lyrically, but is still an evolution to their own sound.  

3.  It took a little bit on Thursday, but this song reminded me of the whole Elliot Rodger situation from two years ago.  The fact that I had to try to narrow down what specific mass shooter this song reminds me of is pretty sad, although you could make an argument for a lot of the shooters over the last five years.  There are enough lines in the song that make me think of this particular shooter.

"You're dead!  I'm well fed.  Give me death or give me head.  Daddy's little psycho and Mommy's little soldier."  Elliot was from a very well to do family and his sexual frustration led him to think that carrying out his manifesto was the right thing to do.  Plus, it seemed like he had jealousy of his father who didn't have any problems with his wealth or love life.  His dad even said that they didn't have that great of a relationship for quite a long time.  

"I testify like a lullaby of memories.  Broadcasting live and it's on my radio.  I got my photobomb, I got my Vietnam.  I love a lie just like anybody else."  Elliot had posted videos and written on message boards prior to the shooting.  He posted his manifesto online for the world to see before he carried out this atrocity.  His sexual frustration that had been going on his life to that point was his Vietnam.  That somehow him not getting laid was his own private war that he was never going to win.  I think the lie he believed was the fact that he had money and fancy things (broadcasting from my room and playing with my toys_, along with supposedly being the "nice guy", was going to be all he had to do to get with women (or at least the ones he was attracted to).  This is a narrative that has been put out that because you have all of these things and are attracted to someone, they have to want you just as much.  I mean he called himself a supreme gentlemen and the perfect guy. In the end his inability to take responsibility to look in the mirror to see his own faults led to his own downfall.  

"I want to be a celebrity martyr.  The leading man in my own private drama.  The hero of the hour."  "It's my private holy war.  Oh baby baby this is Viva Vendetta.  For this is love or its' World War Zero."  Somehow I see Elliot thinking that what he was doing was acting on behalf of all those that were sexually frustrated as him, and that he was going to be seen as a hero/good guy by them.  That by taking this "stand", he was going to be better off.  Based on what I can remember, from a young age he noticed that there was a social hierarchy and that he didn't fit in.  That even with everything else he had, he couldn't move up.  He built this up so much that it consumed him and his inability to get with women.  By creating these videos, writing these posts, and carrying out his manifesto/war on women he could finally have the power and control he wanted. 

There were some lines in the song that made me think directly of Adam Lanza.  Daddy's Little Psycho and Mommy's little soldier.  Adams father left years ago because he could not deal with Adam's problems or Adam's mother.  Adam's mother was a prepper, which is a movement of people that think they need to prepare for a catastrophe.  They stock pile food, arm themselves, learn to shoot, etc.  Adam's mother taught him how to shoot to prepare him.  Also, the I want to dance like I'm on the video.  Before the Sandy Hook shooting, Adam used to go to the local movie theater, which has a small arcade.  He used ot meet a friend there and they used to use this machine where you do dances to the video.  A few months before the shooting, something happened with the friendship and Adam stopped going.

I am guessing that it is based on certain circumstances around several mass shooters.

[Z J]

1 hour ago, Libertine Angel said:

 

Nah, Buzzcocks are the primary influence on it overall having invented it, Green Day may have revitalised it but any pop-punk band owes Buzzcocks on some level and Singles Going Steady is generally regarded as the blueprint of pop punk. As to making it more mainstream I'd agree, though Buzzcocks never having much label support would have at least some input to that.

I get the invention argument, as nothing can possibly come after it isn't created but every pop punk band in the early 2000s wave and the recent new-wave have had a sound that directly descends from Dookie, that's the album everyone has, that is the one that drew people in from around the world. The original post focused on popularity, I just can't get past the fact that millions more people have heard Green Day's pop punk music compared to the Buzzcocks, and they did it at a time when pop punk was certainly not that popular 

[UNICORN VOMIT]

11 minutes ago, Z J said:

I get the invention argument, as nothing can possibly come after it isn't created but every pop punk band in the early 2000s wave and the recent new-wave have had a sound that directly descends from Dookie, that's the album everyone has, that is the one that drew people in from around the world. The original post focused on popularity, I just can't get past the fact that millions more people have heard Green Day's pop punk music compared to the Buzzcocks, and they did it at a time when pop punk was certainly not that popular 

but but Jimmy loves the Buzzcocks

[Chin for a Day]

14 minutes ago, Z J said:

I get the invention argument, as nothing can possibly come after it isn't created but every pop punk band in the early 2000s wave and the recent new-wave have had a sound that directly descends from Dookie, that's the album everyone has, that is the one that drew people in from around the world. The original post focused on popularity, I just can't get past the fact that millions more people have heard Green Day's pop punk music compared to the Buzzcocks, and they did it at a time when pop punk was certainly not that popular 

I have to agree with you.  Just because someone came first, doesn't mean they were the major influence.  I actually heard of the Buzzcocks because of Green Day.  I call it reverse influence.  There is often times when a band popularizes a genre and then people will discover the bands that influenced them.       

[Asik]

On 13.08.2016 at 5:23 AM, Jenn123 said:

Okay, maybe not the exact opposite of forced  it seems to me they love the song and are proud of it. Preventing leaks takes effort and they went to the trouble of taking down youtube videos pretending to be the song before it was released. And a radio debut so everyone could hear it. I think they know they're onto something and I think they are too! I'm sorry you don't feel the same - hopefully you'll like the rest of the album

I guess I was expecting a different musical content from this single, but after listening to it like 70times I love it ahaha. I just cannot dislike Green day even if i tried. Same happened with Kill the dj lol. I love the lyrics, I love the music though its a bit boring for a not Green day fan. Cant believe I fell in love with the song only after 4 days of non stop listening ahah

2 hours ago, ollhjr said:

1.  I actually enjoyed the fact that we had so little information leading into this single's release, along with the album.  While getting all the videos and articles during the process of the trilogy being recorded was a great insight to the process, I know I overanalyzed everything and ruined my initial experience with the albums.  I was expecting a certain sound and got something else.  This time around I set no expectations for the album on any front, and I was pleasantly surprised with Bang Bang.

2.  This song is pumpass!  I can only hope that it is used as a setlist opener to get the people going, unless they go with Revolution Radio or Somewhere Now.  I love how this song is a combination of what they have done sonically and lyrically, but is still an evolution to their own sound.  

3.  It took a little bit on Thursday, but this song reminded me of the whole Elliot Rodger situation from two years ago.  The fact that I had to try to narrow down what specific mass shooter this song reminds me of is pretty sad, although you could make an argument for a lot of the shooters over the last five years.  There are enough lines in the song that make me think of this particular shooter.

"You're dead!  I'm well fed.  Give me death or give me head.  Daddy's little psycho and Mommy's little soldier."  Elliot was from a very well to do family and his sexual frustration led him to think that carrying out his manifesto was the right thing to do.  Plus, it seemed like he had jealousy of his father who didn't have any problems with his wealth or love life.  His dad even said that they didn't have that great of a relationship for quite a long time.  

"I testify like a lullaby of memories.  Broadcasting live and it's on my radio.  I got my photobomb, I got my Vietnam.  I love a lie just like anybody else."  Elliot had posted videos and written on message boards prior to the shooting.  He posted his manifesto online for the world to see before he carried out this atrocity.  His sexual frustration that had been going on his life to that point was his Vietnam.  That somehow him not getting laid was his own private war that he was never going to win.  I think the lie he believed was the fact that he had money and fancy things (broadcasting from my room and playing with my toys_, along with supposedly being the "nice guy", was going to be all he had to do to get with women (or at least the ones he was attracted to).  This is a narrative that has been put out that because you have all of these things and are attracted to someone, they have to want you just as much.  I mean he called himself a supreme gentlemen and the perfect guy. In the end his inability to take responsibility to look in the mirror to see his own faults led to his own downfall.  

"I want to be a celebrity martyr.  The leading man in my own private drama.  The hero of the hour."  "It's my private holy war.  Oh baby baby this is Viva Vendetta.  For this is love or its' World War Zero."  Somehow I see Elliot thinking that what he was doing was acting on behalf of all those that were sexually frustrated as him, and that he was going to be seen as a hero/good guy by them.  That by taking this "stand", he was going to be better off.  Based on what I can remember, from a young age he noticed that there was a social hierarchy and that he didn't fit in.  That even with everything else he had, he couldn't move up.  He built this up so much that it consumed him and his inability to get with women.  By creating these videos, writing these posts, and carrying out his manifesto/war on women he could finally have the power and control he wanted. 

You gave this song another chance for living

[WhoPutTheDragInDragQueen?]

I love that song! My expectations were really low after the trilogy, but it sounds like the good old times. It's brilliant and very well written. Also, it's really nice of them to make a lyrics video, so we won't have to guess what Billie is saying (which can be pretty hard sometimes even for native english speakers). If the whole album is that good, I want a CD and a concert in my country! Tottally going as drag Billie.

[Z J]

14 minutes ago, BillyjoelxkidXx said:

but but Jimmy loves the Buzzcocks

Hey hey nothin' but respect here between Jimmy and I, I debate with love

[belinda jane]

i keep thinking about the "WORLD WAR ZERO" part being shouted live. ahhhhh, gives me chills.

[spark in the night]

2 hours ago, JJ1964 said:

There were some lines in the song that made me think directly of Adam Lanza.  Daddy's Little Psycho and Mommy's little soldier.  Adams father left years ago because he could not deal with Adam's problems or Adam's mother.  Adam's mother was a prepper, which is a movement of people that think they need to prepare for a catastrophe.  They stock pile food, arm themselves, learn to shoot, etc.  Adam's mother taught him how to shoot to prepare him.  Also, the I want to dance like I'm on the video.  Before the Sandy Hook shooting, Adam used to go to the local movie theater, which has a small arcade.  He used ot meet a friend there and they used to use this machine where you do dances to the video.  A few months before the shooting, something happened with the friendship and Adam stopped going.

I am guessing that it is based on certain circumstances around several mass shooters.

That's his name. I mentioned this in another thread but could not remember that fuck's name

[Liam]

31 minutes ago, belinda jane said:

i keep thinking about the "WORLD WAR ZERO" part being shouted live. ahhhhh, gives me chills.

I'm going to have a laugh if they get the tour and he lets the crowd sing that part.

[belinda jane]

4 minutes ago, Liam said:

I'm going to have a laugh if they get the tour and he lets the crowd sing that part.

that's what i meant.. not him screaming, hahaha. my bad, i should have been more clear.
i keep thinking about the "WORLD WAR ZERO" part being shouted live by the crowd.