02 - Bang Bang

[tresexy101]

Very true.  So, quick question....where did our right to question authority go awry? 

10 minutes ago, Maid Meringue said:

Again, where I'm from they censor AI and Holiday just as heavily. Sometimes removing entire chunks of the songs just because of a single word!

Radio stations have agendas because their sponsors have agendas. They're not going to say anything that their funding doesn't approve of.

 

[Justin1]

Right now Bon Jovi's new song is on pace for #1 Rock song in The US this week and Green Day is #2.. If you haven't bought Bang Bang yet, buy it! 🙂

[rockmanx37]

The song is great, i've listened bang bang for several times now, and it keeps getting better!

[Maid Meringue]

2 minutes ago, tresexy101 said:

Very true.  So, quick question....where did our right to question authority go awry? 

 

Around the same time as our right to take full sized shampoo bottles on airplanes.

[Fuzz]

39 minutes ago, Maid Meringue said:

I'm just waiting for the inevitable Buzzfeed article that uses "Green Day encourages mass shooting" clickbait bullshit. Because that's all Buzzfeed is good for.

A similar thing happened with Pumped Up Kicks. Since Billie Joe talked about the song's meaning from the start with that interview in Rolling Stone, I doubt it'll be that big of a deal.

[Maid Meringue]

Just now, Andres said:

A similar thing happened with Pumped Up Kicks. Since Billie Joe talked about the songs meaning from the start, I doubt it'll be that big of a deal.

I feel like it wouldn't be either. But Buzzfeed has a very particular way of stirring pots unnecessarily for the sake of a couple facebook comments.

[PursuitOfEpicness]

25 minutes ago, Maid Meringue said:

I feel like it wouldn't be either. But Buzzfeed has a very particular way of stirring pots unnecessarily for the sake of a couple facebook comments.

They'll look so stupid if they try that

[Siddharth_471]

The more I listen to the song the better it gets. Great lead single, the post-bridge verse is my favourite part especially the "World War Zero" screaming vocals. Lyrics are brilliant and a bit satirical too. Instrumentally one of their best stuff definitely!

 

[Vrock09]

So excited our boys are back!!

 

And and far as Bang Bang is concerned....... 👏👏🔥🔥🔥🔥

[SmoothedOut]

13 hours ago, AmyxLongview said:

I agree except for when you said the shooters are the heroes for the media. I don't think news reporters take joy in terrorist attacks happening just because it gives them something to report on. I think the "hero of the hour" part refers to the shooter seeing himself as a hero and being regarded as a hero among other terrorists that share his ideology.

There is also the argument that social media users tend to latch onto any news that is deemed righteous or good - and thus become "heroes of the hour". I remember Ben Weasel saying in a podcast that he unfriends anyone with the rainbow flag filter saying that the "knee-jerk" need for people to proclaim their righteousness puts him off. Ofc people have reasons for why they do things and it would be wrong to assume. But he does have a point. I know people who proclaim their righteousness all the time and get all the likes but do nothing irl. People want short-term fame over anything. Its a violent culture indeed. There is a lack of a personal connection to anything.. but there is a desperation for fame.

Its like you can type #PrayforTurkey but not actually pray for Turkey and still get tons of likes and approval.

[gerardsangel4977]

15 hours ago, JJ1964 said:

First, I clearly stated that I was talking about my opinion and NO ONE's opinion is ever ludicrous.  I find it insulting that you would think someones opinion is ludicrous.  I don't have to agree with you but I would never tell you your opinion is ludicrous.  I also said that I think Mike and Jason are great back ground vocalists, so that would mean that I like to hear them sing parts of the song. And whatever another band does is not indicative of what another band should do.  There are plenty of bands that had more than one singer.  The Beatles had three.  Why?  Because all three of them could sing.  IT IS MY HUMBLE OPINION, that Mike and Jason do not have good voices.  I do not find it pleasant to hear them sing lead.  Therefore, here it is again, IT IS MY OPINION that a lead song by Mike or Jason is a waste because I do not feel they are good lead singers.  I will repeat this again, MY HUMBLE OPINION.   FYI, I hold the same opinion for Queen.  Freddie Mercury was the best front man of all time and I think the songs he did not sing were a waste.  

I never once said that American Idiot could not have been written without Mike, please re-read my post.  What I said was that you cannot make the claim that American Idiot would not have happened if it were not for Mike.  I do know that the Nobody likes you part that Mike came up with was the start of Homecoming, but you cannot say that if Mike didn't come up with that part AI would not have occurred.   It may have gotten the ball running, but I think there was alot going on then and AI would have happened regardless.  And it is undeniable fact that Mike came up with that part and Tre came up with his part but Billie did come up with the rest.  

I never once said that Mike was not a part of Green Day, you saying that is patently false.

If you ever want to have an adult conversation about differences of opinion, which everyone is allowed to have, I suggest that you re-read the post to make sure you understand it and don't insult the person you are trying to have a conversation with.    

Okay. Before we go down the "All opinions are equal" route, I feel compelled to mention that there are, most definitely, opinions in this world that are based on false premises and/or are just plain rude and insulting and not deserving of respect. For instance, someone calling another person ugly is entirely a subjective evaluation on that person's looks. It is an opinion, but it's a rather shit one that most people would agree should not be voiced out of common human decency. And surely you would agree that certain statements  like "All black people are lazy and looking for handouts" or "all women are bad drivers" are highly inflammatory, insulting opinions based on misinformation and bigotry and, as such, should not be considered valid or even respected. This is a personal pet peeve of mine, and I absolutely hate it when people try to use it as an argument for anything because, in all reality, all opinions are *not* necessarily equal, and some things do deserve to be called out.

As for your opinion on this particular issue, while obviously not in the same league as the aforementioned examples, I still feel that what you said was both insulting and degrading to the other members of the band by downplaying their contributions as insignificant. I have read your post many times, and you did not say that you don't care for Mike and Jason's voices (which would be a valid enough opinion, even if others feel differently). You said that Billie Joe is highly talented, and, because of that, anyone else trying to sing lead is a waste (If you meant to say something else, that intent was not clear in your postings). So I provided an example of an even more talented singer who has also opted to take a backseat on vocals on multiple occasions. And you may feel that those songs are wastes too, but plenty of other people love them, so how can they be wastes? My friend's fave Queen song of all time is '39, which is sung by Brian (and while it's not my #1, I still agree that it's a fantastic song), and there's certainly enough people on here who enjoy Mike's voice and singing style too.  It just seems a tad presumptuous to me to insist that because you personally don't like something, it has no value at all. Not to mention the fact that it was Billie's own choice to not sing lead in those instances. It is not as if he's being pushed to the side or hidden in the shadows. He could've insisted on singing lead in those songs; he did not. Perhaps because he also felt that those particular tracks (or movements) were better served by a different singing style than his own. I'm sure the idea of him wasting his own talent  by not singing did not remotely occur to him in those moments.

And, yes, one *can* make the claim that American Idiot would not have happened if it weren't for Mike because, as I already said in my last post, American Idiot would not exist if Green Day did not exist. And Green Day would not exist without Mike Dirnt, regardless of what his particular contributions to AI were. For that matter, I could also claim that American Idiot would not exist without Tre either, since I think we can all agree that Green Day wouldn't have lasted as long as they did with Kiffmeyer still in the group.

And, finally, I am curious why you feel I personally insulted you in my post. I did not write anything that specifically attacked you and certainly did not write anything that could be construed as an insult to your person, though you ironically seem to feel the need to make things personal by calling me childish and implying that I can't read. I did say it would be ludicrous to suggest that Brian, Roger, and John's contributions to Queen were wastes of time just because they are not Freddie Mercury (and I maintain that this is true, even for Green Day. Billie Joe is integral, but so is the rest of the group). I'm sure if I had said instead that "having someone else replace Billie Joe on vocals is ludicrous" you would not be disagreeing with me or getting defensive on behalf of the Sacred Nature of Opinions. So why should making a case for all three band members (or four, with Jason) to be treated with equal respect be so incendiary for you to take offense at it? Anyway, I don't have anything else to say on this subject that hasn't been said already, so consider the discussion closed.

 

In other news, I've officially lost track of how many times I've listened to "Bang Bang".

[Beerjeezus]

TL; DR WTF?

[UNICORN VOMIT]

7 hours ago, gerardsangel4977 said:

Okay. Before we go down the "All opinions are equal" route, I feel compelled to mention that there are, most definitely, opinions in this world that......

@JJ1964 is a bitch😘

The last line of your post I totally agree. 

Edited August 14, 2016 by Matt.
PLEASE do not quote incredibly long posts

[Hermione]

8 hours ago, 21guns&novacaine said:

Soo... Now I have a question.

Green Day said a while back that they wanted to destroy the term 'Pop punk' with their new album. 

Do you guys think they succeeded with that from what we can tell from this single?

Billie's tweet was this at new years, 'my mission for 2016? to destroy the phrase "pop-punk" forever'. He didn't mention the new album and hadn't been talking about it at the time. Since he said "the phrase pop punk" he might've just been saying he doesn't like the phrase.

But if he was referring to the music they were making then it depends on what he meant. It's a pop punk song (or catchy, melodic punk if he prefers) so he must not have meant he wasn't going to play pop punk/catchy sounding punk . But if he was talking about wanting to take that music to a darker, intense, meaningful level then yes.

[Second favourite son]

1 hour ago, Hermione said:

Billie's tweet was this at new years, 'my mission for 2016? to destroy the phrase "pop-punk" forever'. He didn't mention the new album and hadn't been talking about it at the time. Since he said "the phrase pop punk" he might've just been saying he doesn't like the phrase.

But if he was referring to the music they were making then it depends on what he meant. It's a pop punk song (or catchy, melodic punk if he prefers) so he must not have meant he wasn't going to play pop punk/catchy sounding punk . But if he was talking about wanting to take that music to a darker, intense, meaningful level then yes.

My take was always that Billie wanted to dissociate pop-punk from punk, and make clear that while 'pop-punk' has a melody, it doesn't mean it's pop.  I never saw any drastic change coming in the music.  Bang Bang has been an excellent step on the way to accomplishing this: it's darker, it's harder, it's much more punky - but it's still 110% recognisably Green Day.

[SmoothedOut]

4 hours ago, Second favourite son said:

My take was always that Billie wanted to dissociate pop-punk from punk, and make clear that while 'pop-punk' has a melody, it doesn't mean it's pop.  I never saw any drastic change coming in the music.  Bang Bang has been an excellent step on the way to accomplishing this: it's darker, it's harder, it's much more punky - but it's still 110% recognisably Green Day.

I'd say the same. I never really liked the culture surrounding pop punk in the 2000s.. The kids were soft and would turn to pop music in a quick second. These were the same kids who wore MCR shirts but made fun of any kid dyeing their hair green. Its not so much the bands who are wrong here, its just the mainstream audience of the time that invaded the punk look, fashion, and name. Now most of these kids are taking business courses and call punk their 'teenage phase'. They got it all wrong...

[PussySlayer]

I really like this new single. Reminds me of At the Library. My friend told me Bang Bang was written by Tre. Is it true?

[Sanity Loan]

4 minutes ago, PussySlayer said:

I really like this new single. Reminds me of At the Library. My friend told me Bang Bang was written by Tre. Is it true?

Billie Joe states in the Rolling Stone article that it was written by him and was the first song written for the album.

[madafaka]

Is it just me, or does the sampling in the beginning saying "deserve to be annihilated" sound awefully much like Billie Joe?

[DeJennsitized]

21 minutes ago, madafaka said:

Is it just me, or does the sampling in the beginning saying "deserve to be annihilated" sound awefully much like Billie Joe?

I think it is him - the rest sound like samples from news reports and then that's the shooter's response (aka Billie as he's the character)

[Johnny Higher]

Bang Bang Youtube video has over 1,000,000 views !

 

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

The Facebook exclusivity strategy is definitely working. The video has 5.5 millions views on Facebook, 1 million on Youtube. Making a comparison with the Oh Love lyric video, posted only on You Tube, today it has 7.9 millions views, just 1.4 millions more. Other factors may be involved, but I think that to use FB as the main platform has been a good choice.  

P.s. I don't want to start another fight between the two songs and I didn't post this on the other thread for this reason, I chose Oh Love because it's the only lead single from GD released together with a lyric video, this want to be a "technical" comment on the strategy behind the song release, nothing more.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

 

 

 

3 hours ago, PussySlayer said:

I really like this new single. Reminds me of At the Library. My friend told me Bang Bang was written by Tre. Is it true?

If Tre had written Bang Bang the song wouldn't have been about mass shootings etc... It would have been about a very different type of bang bang 

[Samantha]

Bang Bang is lyfe

[PussySlayer]

2 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

 

 

 

If Tre had written Bang Bang the song wouldn't have been about mass shootings etc... It would have been about a very different type of bang bang 

You mean fucking?