RedundantIdiot Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Bang Bang is doing well considering the lack of promotion. When it gets more airplay, a music video, and the band do more interviews then we can judge how well it is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I think it was a wrong decision when they decided to hide the information about the new album for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okotavio Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Well I'm sensing a lack of promotion as well... what was the last thing they did? The Kerrang interview? When you release a single without officially saying anything during the recording process you gotta promote it when it's out. This is a bit strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teenage Lush Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 to me it kind of seems like this album is more for themselves and for their fans and they don't care as much how it does commercially. obviously i'm sure they don't want the album to totally tank, it just seems to me like they've kind of moved on from caring about being number 1 on all the charts and just want to have fun, which would explain why they're doing things like the facebook live thing and not as many magazine or tv interviews. nothing wrong with that imo. i don't see them ever being as popular as they were in the ai era or when 21 guns came out but that shouldn't really matter. bang bang seems to be hugely popular among people who already green day fans and that means a lot more than what number it is on the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I think they care about how it does. They signed to a major label to get their music out, and they know they have the ability to really connect with a large diverse part of the population. There's no doubt that their inspiration for writing and recording is much bigger than simply "how many can we sell", but that doesn't mean they don't care about how it does. The song isn't at the top of the charts, yet, and I think we would love to see it there (with the exception of Seagull, but that's because he's a contrarian asshole). It still has the potential to get up there. As people have highlighted, the only promo they've done are the two magazine interviews (and the iHeart Twitter takeover, but really that's not wide-appeal). Green Day needs to break into the mainstream consciousness of the US. The vast majority of people who might like Green Day don't know they've released a new song yet. They won't until Green Day is on the national TV networks and more than just a small headline on a national magazine like Rolling Stone. The official music video will help a bit, as it's easier for other media sites to share and talk about a music video than a lyric video. Basically what I'm saying is there's still plenty of opportunity for this single and this album to really catchy on. It won't be automatic like some people expect, because this isn't 2004. It may not do better than 21CB, but the potential definitively still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I have a feeling that ever since that incident during the trilogy happened they just want to take it easier with the release of the new album. So doing it more for themselves to have fun and bringing great music to the fans who already are into Green Day kind of makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Sixtrix said: I have a feeling that ever since that incident during the trilogy happened they just want to take it easier with the release of the new album. So doing it more for themselves to have fun and bringing great music to the fans who already are into Green Day kind of makes sense. but doesn't the label have more of a say in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Just now, Harry Potter. said: but doesn't the label have more of a say in this? They have some say, they do have a marketing director. I assume it's more like a "ok, here are the things we think you should do" and Green Day (or their management) can pick and choose the things they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Rock doesn't chart all that good in 2016, so I wouldn't worry about that stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Just now, Jake69 said: Honestly, I could/couldn't care less about the charts (what's the correct way of saying this. It's driving me crazy). GD has a huge and dedicated fanbase that will keep buying their music. I don't care if they're not mainstream any more. The logical way would be "couldn't care less", but everyone seems to use the other phrase. I think everyone is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, Harry Potter. said: The logical way would be "couldn't care less", but everyone seems to use the other phrase. I think everyone is wrong. They are. It's couldn't care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Jake69 said: Honestly, I could/couldn't care less about the charts (what's the correct way of saying this. It's driving me crazy). GD has a huge and dedicated fanbase that will keep buying their music. I don't care if they're not mainstream any more. 1 hour ago, Harry Potter. said: The logical way would be "couldn't care less", but everyone seems to use the other phrase. I think everyone is wrong. 1 hour ago, Andres said: They are. It's couldn't care less. What's funny is GD make that grammatical error in Jesus of Suburbia "And I could really care less" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: What's funny is GD make that grammatical error in Jesus of Suburbia "And I could really care less" Are you sure it's a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Just now, Andres said: Are you sure it's a mistake? Hmm... Maybe not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXRustyJamesXx Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 people need to start buying records again! No spotify, no youtube and no illegal downloads.. those things ruin the music industy.. If all rock fans started buying records again, record companieds would invest more money in new bands and Rock music would most likely be able to recover a little bit... Everyone get out and buy some fucking records and support the good artists of 2016!!! Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21guns&novacaine Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Just now, xXRustyJamesXx said: people need to start buying records again! No spotify, no youtube and no illegal downloads.. those things ruin the music industy.. If all rock fans started buying records again, record companieds would invest more money in new bands and Rock music would most likely be able to recover a little bit... Everyone get out and buy some fucking records and support the good artists of 2016!!! Peace Yes! Most people buy downloads, or download illegally because it's easier. I perfer to have a physical copy of the album, plus support the band by buying their work. Part of the reson newer bands (Like the band Creeper, for instance) only offer their music as downloads because no one buys the disc EPs newer bands release. :\ Plus, CD's get more new fans. I have borrowed CD's from friends all the time to check out new bands. You can't do that with downloaded music, it's not the same, the excitement of listening to it for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 33 minutes ago, xXRustyJamesXx said: people need to start buying records again! No spotify, no youtube and no illegal downloads.. those things ruin the music industy.. If all rock fans started buying records again, record companieds would invest more money in new bands and Rock music would most likely be able to recover a little bit... Everyone get out and buy some fucking records and support the good artists of 2016!!! Peace Or you know, the music industry needs to move along with technology and not fight it every step of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZSebs Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 There may be a lack of promotion but keep in mind that there may be a lot more promotion as we get closer to the album release, and even when an official music video is released. I was driving for about 5 hours and heard Bang Bang being played 4 times of 3 different stations, so it is definitely getting it's share of airtime, at least where I am. Plus it seems that this song is relevant enough to be discussed by Rolling Stone, MTV (although they didn't say too many positives about it), and even CBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madafaka Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I can't imagine Green Day having any financial issues, so this time there's not much on the line except their own pride and ambition. If you told me that they were kinda broke back in the late 90's/early 00's I would totally believe you, because they were very young and imature when they hit it big in 1994, and since then it hadn't gone up hill. American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown definitely secured them for life though, and won them a new fan base of another generation. What I'm trying to say is not that they do it for the money, but what I'm saying is that money still matter, and I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why they rode the wave of success so hard back in the late 00's, was to secure their future life and career in some sense. The label obviously always wants to milk their releases for all they're worth, but you can kind of sense how onboard the artist themselves are with that approach. Green Day was all over radio, MTV, talkshows and just the mainstream media in general, back in 2004-2010. I'm not getting that this time around. So far it has been a few thought out interviews with "respectable" magazines, some social media and a very casual (and awkward) facebook live event. All indicating that they are proud of the album but just want to "push it" onto the fans out there that they know will love it. They are not out to satisfy the masses, and that might prove to win them some new fans, who knows. I'm surely envious of all the young teenagers who'll discover Green Day by listening to Bang Bang, and then discover a discography spanning over 25 years and 11 studio albums This post turned out to be a little all over the place, excuse me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Didn't GD make a loss on the 21st Century Breakdown tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madafaka Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, xXRustyJamesXx said: people need to start buying records again! No spotify, no youtube and no illegal downloads.. those things ruin the music industy.. If all rock fans started buying records again, record companieds would invest more money in new bands and Rock music would most likely be able to recover a little bit... Everyone get out and buy some fucking records and support the good artists of 2016!!! Peace Physical records are a thing of the past. You can't push outdated technology on the new generations, and you definitely can't stop the free market from supplying a demand. What needs to happen is for the music industry to evolve with the times and the new technology, in a way that is more beneficient to the artists. Vinyl and CD are a thing of nostalgia, a relic of the past, that a few people will always stick to for whatever reason, but it won't ever be enough to support the musicians again. I definitely don't have any specific solution to the problem, but the essence of what the music industry and artists need to do is create a higher demand for goods and services that are not digitally shareable online. Of already exsisting things are live concerts and merchandise. I think it's already clear to see that the industry is adjusting to the times, but right now it is in the middle of a developmental phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPak Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 34 minutes ago, basketcase4933 said: Didn't GD make a loss on the 21st Century Breakdown tour? I'm pretty sure they did, either that or they barely broke even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 19 minutes ago, madafaka said: Physical records are a thing of the past. You can't push outdated technology on the new generations, and you definitely can't stop the free market from supplying a demand. What needs to happen is for the music industry to evolve with the times and the new technology, in a way that is more beneficient to the artists. Vinyl and CD are a thing of nostalgia, a relic of the past, that a few people will always stick to for whatever reason, but it won't ever be enough to support the musicians again. I definitely don't have any specific solution to the problem, but the essence of what the music industry and artists need to do is create a higher demand for goods and services that are not digitally shareable online. Of already exsisting things are live concerts and merchandise. I think it's already clear to see that the industry is adjusting to the times, but right now it is in the middle of a developmental phase. The industry is definitely developing, and trying to keep up with the times. It's not being completely successful, but it's on the way there. The ideal place for them to be is with physical and digital copies of music co-existing, letting people pick and choose. Demand for CDs may be going down but vinyl is becoming far more popular again, and it's in the industry's best interest to cater to that. The biggest change in recent times, however, isn't people not wanting to own physical copies. It's people not wanting to own songs at all. Consumers want to listen to music without having to buy it, and that's why spotify's so successful: because it's the one thing stopping people from downloading music illegally. It's also a very good music discovery tool, where you can listen to songs by artists you don't really know and decide if you like them without being tied down. For example, I like some of Blink's songs. I hate others. So I listened to their new stuff on Spotify, because I don't wanna waste my money on something I might not like, but I don't want to miss out on something I might love. Blink still receives (a pathetically small amount of) money for me playing the song, yet I don't actually pay anything for it. Artists who can use streaming services to their advantage are the artists who are preparing for the future. For us, Green Day's use of Spotify is largely irrelevant, as we'll be buying the songs. But for the average Gren Day consumer, who kinda likes them but isn't too fussed, the free-to-listen, unlimited plays platform is probably the most lucrative. Bands need to excel in selling physical, digital and streamed copies of their music in order to truly succeed in today's music industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James11693 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 What's going on with the promotion so far? They released the song and that's been it for the past two weeks. I know it's still early but the trilogy was promoted way better in the first two weeks of it's announcement/first single. This album has so much potential to be successful and it should. I hate seeing good music be unsuccessful, meanwhile the crap pop music out now is written in 5 minutes, has no heart, and makes all the money. Does Warner Brothers just not have faith in Green Day anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Just now, James11693 said: What's going on with the promotion so far? They released the song and that's been it for the past two weeks. I know it's still early but the trilogy was promoted way better in the first two weeks of it's announcement/first single. This album has so much potential to be successful and it should. I hate seeing good music be unsuccessful, meanwhile the crap pop music out now is written in 5 minutes, has no heart, and makes all the money. Does Warner Brothers just not have faith in Green Day anymore? The tweets show they did some kind of interviews in SF last week. Honestly its got to be any day now they release dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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