Revolution Radio Promotion and Commercial Performance

[stories and songs]

3 hours ago, End Of The World said:

For me there is no doubt that this era is far better than the other. Because RevRad has something that Trilogy doesn't have: a soul.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. I know the trilogy songs also had meaning to Billie, but this album is so very intimate and honest, and that makes all the difference. When writers really mean what they're writing, you feel it. That feeling was absent for a lot of the trilogy.

I think it has been discussed at length how the industry has changed even in the time between the Trilogy and RevRad, and how that would impact sales. Even thinking about how Spotify has really taken off in the past couple years—I honestly just started using it recently, and am wondering why I've spent so much money on various songs and albums when they're all available to me this way.

 

[Steven Seagull]

Yeah Rev Rad comes no where close to Trilogy sales. It charted #1 only because of no competition. Uno sold way more albums in first week.

[RedundantIdiot]

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6 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

Yeah Rev Rad comes no where close to Trilogy sales. It charted #1 only because of no competition. Uno sold way more albums in first week.

I like how instead of responding to the points we've made, you just keep referring to the first week sales of an album as if first week sales are the sole thing that indicates the success of an album

[Steven Seagull]

Just now, MysticManiac said:

I like how instead of responding to the points we've made, you just keep referring to the first week sales of an album as if first week sales are the sole thing that indicates the success of an album

What points? Trilogy sold way more albums than RevRad.

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11 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

What points? Trilogy sold way more albums than RevRad.

Well in my previous posts I made several points of why Uno outsold RevRad (Different music industry, hype of the trilogy, @End Of The World also mentioned the success of AI and 21CB was a reason why Uno outsold RevRad). You've ignored those points. And you've also ignored the point I made about the singles, how the trilogy singles were failures with the exception of Oh Love

I'm going to stop talking to you (which I probably should've done a long time ago)

[Steven Seagull]

The reason why Uno was so successful was because people got tired of rock operas from Green Day (me included, I think I listened to 21st Century Letdown like 10 times in whole) People got excited about something new and Green Day delivered with their best album since Warning. With Rev Rad we were all expecting return to their roots even more but they screwed that up with really average generic album. What do you mean by failures? Let Yourself Go, Oh Love, Kill The DJ were all over at that time. I still hear Oh Love on my local radio every week, I think I only heard Bang Bang a few times. 

[Joe.]

There's been almost no promotion in the U.K. Correct me if I'm wrong UK members but I've seen no posters around, no thanks adverts no nothing, very little social media presence. If I wasn't a fan of the band I wouldn't be aware of a new release

[Christian's Inferno!]

If we compare RevRad's sales after 3 months (175,000 copies) with Uno's sales after 3 months (256,000), we can see that excluding first week sales RR sold 85,000 copies (175k - 90k) versus Uno's 117,000 (256k - 139k) copies. Although Uno's figure is still higher, I think this proves that RR has been more successful because as I mentioned before, the music industry has changed a lot in the last 4 years, and I think 85,000 copies sold since the first week in 2016 (where album sales are generally a lot less) is a lot better than 117,000 in 2012. I think this shows that RevRad has more staying power than Uno had. Because of this, I think RR will eventually overtake sales of Uno

[Steven Seagull]

GDC logic

[Joe K]

2 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

GDC logic

Could you point out what is wrong with MysticManiac's logic for instance?

[Joe.]

27 minutes ago, Joe K said:

Could you point out what is wrong with MysticManiac's logic for instance?

There's nothing wrong with it, but I see where @Steven Seagull is coming from. One paper RR has been less successful and that's not unlikely. I agree though the industry has changed and a lot of people are now streaming instead of purchasing, but in terms of sales it's been less successful

[Joe K]

Just now, JoeFrusciante said:

There's nothing wrong with it, but I see where @Steven Seagull is coming from. One paper RR has been less successful and that's not unlikely. I agree though the industry has changed and a lot of people are now streaming instead of purchasing, but in terms of sales it's been less successful

But is it worth calling it less successful in terms of sales when every album is selling less these days compared to like say 10 years ago?

I don't think so honestly.

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Just now, JoeFrusciante said:

There's nothing wrong with it, but I see where @Steven Seagull is coming from. One paper RR has been less successful and that's not unlikely. I agree though the industry has changed and a lot of people are now streaming instead of purchasing, but in terms of sales it's been less successful

If we compare the Billboard 200 chart positions of Uno in 2012 with the Top Album Sales chart positions of RevRad in 2016 (comparing with the Billboard 200 chart positions in 2016 wouldn't work because that chart now takes streaming and track sales into account), we can see that RevRad has better positions

Uno Billboard 200 chart  positions - 2, 11, 26, 32, 46, 58, 72, 82, 189, 154, 135, 87, 91, 112, 118, 144
RevRad Top Album Sales chart positions - 1, 5, 18, 50, 38, 58, 43, 59, -, -, -, 75 (This chart only takes into account the Top 100 so "-" indicates higher than 100)

I can see here that RevRad has done better in terms of album sales from this chart. So, although Uno has sold more copies, RevRad has done better compared with other albums released around the same time as opposed to Uno which did worse compared to albums released around the same time as that album

[bouncingoffthewallbja]

I saw something similar to this on another thread a couple weeks back, so I thought I'd leave it here 

[That Dude]

That's a lot of pages of hoopla.   The album does well though right?  Like commercially doing well?  Everything I'm seeing on here is biased bogusness.  

 

[Joe.]

10 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

If we compare the Billboard 200 chart positions of Uno in 2012 with the Top Album Sales chart positions of RevRad in 2016 (comparing with the Billboard 200 chart positions in 2016 wouldn't work because that chart now takes streaming and track sales into account), we can see that RevRad has better positions

Uno Billboard 200 chart  positions - 2, 11, 26, 32, 46, 58, 72, 82, 189, 154, 135, 87, 91, 112, 118, 144
RevRad Top Album Sales chart positions - 1, 5, 18, 50, 38, 58, 43, 59, -, -, -, 75 (This chart only takes into account the Top 100 so "-" indicates higher than 100)

I can see here that RevRad has done better in terms of album sales from this chart. So, although Uno has sold more copies, RevRad has done better compared with other albums released around the same time as opposed to Uno which did worse compared to albums released around the same time as that album

My point is that whilst it's placed higher, in terms of sales it hasn't been more successful - that's a fact, it's sold less copies. 

10 hours ago, Joe K said:

But is it worth calling it less successful in terms of sales when every album is selling less these days compared to like say 10 years ago?

I don't think so honestly.

Well yes when you're comparing two albums, the context of the market should be remembered but yes it is enough to say that UNO has currently sold more than RevRad - however uno has been out for four years and revrad has been out for a few months 

[End Of The World]

17 minutes ago, JoeFrusciante said:

My point is that whilst it's placed higher, in terms of sales it hasn't been more successful - that's a fact, it's sold less copies. 

The gap between 2012 and 2016 in terms of music industry is enough to explain the reason why RevRad sales are less than Uno sales (so far, as MysticManiac said).

4 years are a huge amount of time and the increasing use of YouTube, Spotify, iTunes ecc has lowered the physical copies sales.

For this reason, it's not possible to compare sales and say "X has more sales than Y". You'd need to put X and Y in the same contest, which you can't do.

Therefore, the only way to compare albums' commercial performance is by considering the chart positions, that already takes into account the contest of the albums' putting them in the same contest.

That's my idea, I hope I explained it well enough...

[Steven Seagull]

4 minutes ago, End Of The World said:

The gap between 2012 and 2016 in terms of music industry is enough to explain the reason why RevRad sales are less than Uno sales (so far, as MysticManiac said).

4 years are a huge amount of time and the increasing use of YouTube, Spotify, iTunes ecc has lowered the physical copies sales.

For this reason, it's not possible to compare sales and say "X has more sales than Y". You'd need to put X and Y in the same contest, which you can't do.

Therefore, the only way to compare albums' commercial performance is by considering the chart positions, that already takes into account the contest of the albums' putting them in the same contest.

That's my idea, I hope I explained it well enough...

Chart positions don't mean a thing because of difference in competition. If Rev Rad  was released in 2012 it would't go #1 and if the Trilogy was released in 2016 it would still be in the top.

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2 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

Chart positions don't mean a thing because of difference in competition. If Rev Rad  was released in 2012 it would't go #1 and if the Trilogy was released in 2016 it would still be in the top.

Absolutely false. I can understand that for the first week there may have been more competition for Uno but the chart Positions show that RevRad has been consistently doing better week by week. Are you saying that every week Uno had more competition that RevRad? That's false. You're clearly delusional

[End Of The World]

2 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

If Rev Rad  was released in 2012 it would't go #1

[Second favourite son]

16 hours ago, JoeFrusciante said:

There's been almost no promotion in the U.K. Correct me if I'm wrong UK members but I've seen no posters around, no thanks adverts no nothing, very little social media presence. If I wasn't a fan of the band I wouldn't be aware of a new release

I've seen Revolution Radio posters/bus stop ads advertising the Hyde Park date (this sort of style) - but I'm living in London, it probably isn't the case outside the city.  

[Christian's Inferno!]

Actually if RevRad was released the same week as Uno was in 2012, it wouldn't have reached No. 1 because that week, Mumford & Sons album Babel sold 600k albums and RR wouldn't have sold that many in 2012. Although I'm sure it still would've sold more than 139,000 copies first week

[Steven Seagull]

Did Green Day won any award with Rev Rad? They won best rock with the Trilogy. With the lack of good rock bands at the moment this is a sign that RevRad isn't that successful. Blink 182.5 is doing better than Green Day and I hate Blink 182.5.

...just sayin

[Alan86]

24 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

Did Green Day won any award with Rev Rad? They won best rock with the Trilogy. With the lack of good rock bands at the moment this is a sign that RevRad isn't that successful. Blink 182.5 is doing better than Green Day and I hate Blink 182.5.

...just sayin

Well that's all complete drivel.