Trilogy Discussion

[Jrem]

Loss of Control is such a banger underrated Green Day song.

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

6 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

I know this is the Greatest Hits Tour or something like that right now but I can't believe they didn't pull a single Trilogy song on the setlist since 2012.
I just hope the Trilogy will eventually be played in a Green Day concert and not only for The Longshot or other side project.

It’s messed up that they don’t play any Trilogy songs. Such great songs on those records. I’m glad the Otis mixes and the Longshot give some of the best songs off the Trilogy some special treatment. Hopefully one day Green Day will too.

[Miko]

 Yearly ¡Dos! thoughts shared again.

Listening ¡Dos! instrumentals again. Holy fuck this album is so beautiful. So simple but so effective at the same time. Fuck Time, Stop When The Red Lights Flash, Lazy Bones, Makeout Party, Lady Cobra and Nightlife are definitely my favorites, but not a single song is bad instrument wise. Even boring song like Baby Eyes is a fucking banger.

Even with vocals ¡Dos! is by far my absolutely favorite album from Green Day. There are better songs on other albums (She on Dookie, Whatsername on AI, Last Night on Earth on 21st CB and so on) but no other album comes even close to the feel I get from listening this album. I still remember listening it for the first time almost 10 years ago (it was leaked on YouTube like few weeks earlier) and here I am still headbanging because of this awesome record.

I believe it's mostly forgotten by the time, but ¡Uno! is the one that gets you going, ¡Dos! is party album that starts with the bang and ends on hangover, which is called ¡Tre!. All 3 are beautiful albums, but especially ¡Dos! still gets unnecessary amount of hate, even by being the only record out of 3 that has a loose story. Sure, if we take one single song out of the album (Fuck Time or Nightlife) and judge the whole album because of it, then it's bad obviously. However, if we listen the whole record from start to finish, then it makes more sense why those songs were even made. This is also why I liked FOAM and why I dislike single releases like Pollyanna and Here Comes the Shock. Standalone releases fucking suck, because they're meaningless. They're worthless. They don't make any sense.

¡Dos! isn't American Idiot/Dookie/21st CB, but it's definitely the dirtiest, funniest and most enjoyable album they've ever produced. You can really tell how much fun The Boys had while making it. Mike's bass is fucking excellent, Billie Joe busts out his best solos (no, Dirty Rotten Bastards isn't his best solo) and Tre's drumming is tight and consistent. It's impossible to say how Jason contributed to Trilogy exactly (since it was never shared, only implied) but atleast we know he has a solo on Lady Cobra, which is fucking wild. Double guitar solo on Green Day song, what is this?

Then there are some other factors that just cements ¡Dos! as my favorite album. Bass is fucking awesome and I really love how it sounds on Lady Cobra, since after chorus there is a slight bass boost which is sex for my ears. Guitar tone is something I've seen people disliking, but on this record it works beautifully. There are some songs on Trilogy that could've used little bit more gain (Let Yourself Go for example) but I highly doubt I'd like Stop When The Red Lights Flash so much if I couldn't hear that bass as loud and clear as I do now. Mixing is just fantastic. I have zero complaints about it. Happy fan.

I will always understand the people who prefer literally any other album over ¡Dos!, since Garage Rock isn't something that was ever mainstream nor universally liked. Songs like Fuck Time and Nightlife will always make people confused. It will always be cool to hate ¡Dos!. I don't care. I didn't know myself that I'd love Garage Rock so fucking much until I listened ¡Dos!. For the past 10 years, this album has been serving me well and I've never grew out of it. Stop When The Red Lights Flash is consistently on my top 5 Spotify list, I always come back to listen the instrumentals and I often look back to 2011-2012 when Green Day was the most exciting band ever for me personally. Those goddamn studio videos just made me even more hyped. Hell, even thinking about it makes me sad that GD isn't doing those for every single record.

Happy upcoming 10th anniversary Trilogy and especially ¡Dos! ❤️

[Clockwise]

Absolutely wild that the Trilogy will be turning ten this year.

[That Dude]

New Trilogy discussion thread?????? 

No?

After it's released, I guess.

[Minority103]

I love the Trilogy ❤️ 
I read some days ago around the forum that Bj once said "I wrote 38 songs that nobody really listened", I'd like you to know, Billie, that I did, and still doing, and if this summer you wanna bless us with some Trilogy song I'll be happy to go crazy with you    

Ps. I like Nightlife so much. 
That's it. 

[Zebahar]

The trilogy was the first album releases that I got to be apart of after becoming a Green Day fan. I bought a physical copy the day each came out, and wore each one down to the point where I can't listen to the CDs anymore.

While I do enjoy a majority of the songs on the album and still listen to them, the reason I love the trilogy so much is because of the memories that it brings back. I was a junior in high school, and I remember just how happy I was with my life at that point.

It just always amazes me how big of a role music can play in peoples lives. It's not just the music itself, but its the memories and sharing the music with people you care about. The trilogy always reminds me of that, and I am really grateful for that.

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

2 hours ago, Zebahar said:

The trilogy was the first album releases that I got to be apart of after becoming a Green Day fan. I bought a physical copy the day each came out, and wore each one down to the point where I can't listen to the CDs anymore.

While I do enjoy a majority of the songs on the album and still listen to them, the reason I love the trilogy so much is because of the memories that it brings back. I was a junior in high school, and I remember just how happy I was with my life at that point. I promise I won't be bragging about my life at that point or diving into specific memories, don't worry.

It just always amazes me how big of a role music can play in peoples lives. It's not just the music itself, but its the memories and sharing the music with people you care about. The trilogy always reminds me of that, and I am really grateful for that.

Love this ❤️ Thank you for your beautiful post and story ❤️ 

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

2 hours ago, Zebahar said:

 and wore each one down to the point where I can't listen to the CDs anymore

I overplayed the Trilogy back in the day but it's now back on the playlist and I'm falling back in love with it again

[Insomniac1984]

The trilogy, with all its high and lows, is for me the "new" warning. I lived Warning era, it was the first GD album I waited for. At that time, everybody was saying GD did their worst album ever, they were such sellouts for making warning, etc, etc. Years later, Warning started to get some recognition.

Now, the story is repeating with ¡UNO! ¡DOS! ¡TRÉ! Nowadays, there are more fans who apprecciate these records.

P.S.: I've always loved ¡DOS! Pure garage/rock n' roll.

[Slave To The Network]

7 hours ago, Zebahar said:

The trilogy was the first album releases that I got to be apart of after becoming a Green Day fan.

Same for me! I've always loved the Trilogy, but it's particularly special to me for that reason. It was the first release where I felt like I had found a family with GDC. I'd never experienced that before. No one I'm close to cares about Green Day as much as I do and I felt alone until then.

The sound of those records is just fantastic. All the instruments are amazing and Billie's vocals are top notch (Brutal Love will always give me chills). The production was absolutely perfect and I hope they revisit a sound like that again. I wasn't happy with FOAM's overall sound and I always thought back to the Trilogy when considering what I would have liked it to be more similar to.

I still listen to the Trilogy all the time and miss them playing those songs live.

[pacejunkie punk]

The Trilogy era is when I first started getting into Green Day beyond just the radio hits I knew. It was when my daughter discovered them in middle school (omg she was 13 now she’s turning 24 😲) and really reintroduced me to this band I’ve always known and sort of liked but never paid a lot of attention to apart from Good Riddance and a few others.  

She played the Trilogy for me and that started my deeper dive. She went with a friend to see them live in 2013 (I specifically remember her telling me when the show was postponed because of Billie’s rehab that’s how I heard about that) and I regretted not going with her because by then I had picked up a whole playlist from her and was listening a lot). We still only had iTunes then though so every song you wanted to listen to you had to buy.

We finally went together in 2017 and that’s the year I methodically listened to all the albums thanks to streaming services and fell down the rabbit hole 🕳 of super fandom. But I’ll always remember it starting with the Trilogy and the songs she played me — Stray Heart, Carpe Diem, Nuclear Family. 

[MillenniumFan]

14 hours ago, Zebahar said:

It just always amazes me how big of a role music can play in peoples lives. It's not just the music itself, but its the memories and sharing the music with people you care about. The trilogy always reminds me of that, and I am really grateful for that.

I always like to say that music is the closest thing we currently have to time travel. More in the psychological sense than physically, but for a lot of people (myself included), listening to a certain song or album can bring back memories more vividly than anything else in the world. It can sometimes feel scarily real. 

In my personal case, though I've been a fan for more than 15 years now (American Idiot and BIAB introduced me to GD) and I also somewhat followed the 21CB tour (I remember excitedly watching the fox theatre show on the telly), the trilogy was the first album/tour-cycle that I followed properly and thus it brings back a lot of memories. I was twice very close to seeing them live (first in 2009, then in 2012), but things unfortunately got in the way, so that had to wait. I also wasn't a member of this forum at that point. As such, the RevRad album/tour cycle is a little closer to my heart, since it was there I managed to see them live for the first time and also actively followed and contributed to discussions here on GDC. 

[Insomniac1984]

Well, I want to go deeper on this trilogy topic. First, I want to tell my experience on that era being a Southamerican Fan (Specifically, I'm from Chile). I remember 2012 so well. I was so excited about the Trilogy project. Billie made some tweets about going back to Southamerica for Trilogy tour, and I REALLY WANTED to listen to trilogy stuff live. However, as you know, the iHeart thing happened and Billie went to rehab.

I felt 2012 it was a mixed feelings time to be a GD fan. The boys were releasing 3 records, but Billie went into a rehab. There were just some interviews that Mike did, explaining Billie's situation. The trilogy for months were a kind of "Billie's posthomous work". This collection of songs sounded great, but the band is not here to play them. Finally, Billie ended his rehab and the trilogy tour started in 2013. Months were passing by and no news about a tour in Southamerica. It was 2014, the tour ended, and I sadly understood I wouldn't get any chance to listen to a bunch of trilogy songs live.

Then it was the RevRad era, and I had some hope to listen AT LEAST something from the trilogy. The guys came to Southamerica. I was paying attention to the news and the setlist on any country, and nothing. Then, they were in Chile and nothing again. However, they were in Corona Fest in Mexico and played Walk Away...

I really enjoyed the gig in Chile in 2017 but I miss trilogy songs. I hope someday I could listen to them live.

And second, how it was for you the OTIS MIXES for trilogy songs? Were they good for you? I loved Fell for you and Wild One mixes then and now. 

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

2 hours ago, Insomniac1984 said:

Well, I want to go deeper on this trilogy topic. First, I want to tell my experience on that era being a Southamerican Fan (Specifically, I'm from Chile). I remember 2012 so well. I was so excited about the Trilogy project. Billie made some tweets about going back to Southamerica for Trilogy tour, and I REALLY WANTED to listen to trilogy stuff live. However, as you know, the iHeart thing happened and Billie went to rehab.

I felt 2012 it was a mixed feelings time to be a GD fan. The boys were releasing 3 records, but Billie went into a rehab. There were just some interviews that Mike did, explaining Billie's situation. The trilogy for months were a kind of "Billie's posthomous work". This collection of songs sounded great, but the band is not here to play them. Finally, Billie ended his rehab and the trilogy tour started in 2013. Months were passing by and no news about a tour in Southamerica. It was 2014, the tour ended, and I sadly understood I wouldn't get any chance to listen to a bunch of trilogy songs live.

Then it was the RevRad era, and I had some hope to listen AT LEAST something from the trilogy. The guys came to Southamerica. I was paying attention to the news and the setlist on any country, and nothing. Then, they were in Chile and nothing again. However, they were in Corona Fest in Mexico and played Walk Away...

I really enjoyed the gig in Chile in 2017 but I miss trilogy songs. I hope someday I could listen to them live.

And second, how it was for you the OTIS MIXES for trilogy songs? Were they good for you? I loved Fell for you and Wild One mixes then and now. 

Thank you for your story!

In answer to your second question, I loved the Fell for You and Wild One Otis mixes the most! Oh Love was amazing too! I’m so happy about the Otis mixes for these songs. I love the Trilogy and those songs especially.

[greenalert997x]

I've been a fan since 2010, thanks to 21 Guns and Holiday. I got to know the whole discography in 2011. I remember those moments when they started releasing studio teasers and that fancy clip from Billboard, Kill The Dj disco riff in the background   Some concert footages recorded by fans were exciting, despite the poor quality. I especially liked Angel Blue.

Huge hype was when they released Oh Love, lyrcis video first. Great memories. On the one hand I liked Oh Love very much, on the other it was a bit too slow. At the time I was analyzing as much as I could, breaking down the song into the smallest elements, just to determine whether it's a good song, average, or weak and whether other fans will like it.

First I had mixed feelings about the trilogy, on one hand it was something new, that rock and roll vibes on Dos. On the other hand the flat production bothered me. Once I had a very positive opinion and once not. And I was aware (like others) that decision about three albums was not a good marketing move. It was sad that the albums didn't sell well, but it was quite predictable.

And I wanted them to have a new fan base. 21st CB brought huge amount of 'teenage girl' fans. What's funny, before they released the trilogy, some fans arleady grumbled that they were sellouts, that 21st Guns was too poppy, etc. But it's always like that. The truth is, if it wasn't for 21st CB (and the Grammy they won) they wouldn't be on the cover of Kerrand so often in recent years, they wouldn't always be headliners. 21st CB solidified their status. 1994 - Dookie, 2004 - American Idiot and 2009 - 21st st CB. 

I love 21st CB.

Unfortunately, trilogy didn't bring them a new wave of fans, in fact no later album did. And all in all, that's what I wish for the most every time, that they put out a single that will grab people's hearts. A music video that's gonna have 100 million views after a year. 

Going back to the trilogy. In fact, I only really dislike a few songs: Amanda, 8th Avenue Serenade, Little Boy Named Train. The rest is nice or fantastic like Lazy Bones.

And what can be said in addition: despite its flaws (flat guitars, polished vocal) trilogy was indeed something new stylistically. And I have the impression that RevRad or FOAMF are in a way derivatives of the trilogy. Songs like Youngblood, Ordinary World, Fire Ready Aim, Father of All, Meet Me on the Roof could have been on trilogy. RevRad production is more raw, but Foamf we know... What distinguishes 21stCB from trilogy-revrad-foamf is that powerful and fat sound, deep vocal and musical structure as a whole. Totally consistent from start to finish. 

[Beerjeezus]

It’s never been the same since, has it?

[Miko]

4 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

It’s never been the same since, has it?

Nope, it hasn't. Trilogy marked officially the end of an era when it comes to Green Day forever staying and acting younger what they actually were. They became a lot more careful and responsible towards to what they said on interviews and what they did on stage. No more drunk concerts and no more ambitious albums (just compare AI/21st/Trilogy to RR/FOAMF). Billie also started to do a lot more songs about past rather than writing about present or the future. There was a clear growing up stage that The Boys had between Trilogy to Revolution Radio. I didn't like it, but I tried to accept that The Boys are not young anymore.

Then of course FOAMF happened. Green Day suddenly once again decided to be young and irresponsible by drinking on stage, releasing an album that doesn't gather the masses, having questionable interviews and overall having this weird feeling that wasn't seen during Revolution Radio Era. Even though I enjoyed FOAMF and its era, looking back, it was really weird. Why on earth did they suddenly decide to do Prince-impressions and do an album that wasn't mostly played during live shows and was clearly fuck you to the fans that loved Revolution Radio? As I said, I enjoyed FOAMF, but I can also clearly see why people dislike it. It was like living Trilogy all over again, but atleast during Trilogy they played all but few songs from those albums. They clearly loved the tracks they did on those albums. That's why I also don't understand why Billie feels like he did shitty songs that people didn't like. Sales don't tell everything and he should know that.

I'm so mad that they never played Stab You In The Heart.

Anyways, yeah. It's never been the same since.

[pacejunkie punk]

15 minutes ago, Miko said:

That's why I also don't understand why Billie feels like he did shitty songs that people didn't like. Sales don't tell everything and he should know that.

He never said they were shitty songs he actually loves those songs, it’s just the production he was unhappy with in hindsight and also the initial lukewarm fan response. He was disappointed because he felt the songs didn’t get the attention they deserved. That’s why he tried remixing some of them and brought others out at the Longshot shows which was where he said “One time I wrote 36 songs that nobody listened to”.  And he didn’t say they didn’t like them, he said they didn’t listen to them.  Not enough people paid attention then. He was hoping to get people to pay attention now to the fact that these were really good songs.  

[Miko]

1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said:

He never said they were shitty songs he actually loves those songs, it’s just the production he was unhappy with in hindsight and also the initial lukewarm fan response. He was disappointed because he felt the songs didn’t get the attention they deserved. That’s why he tried remixing some of them and brought others out at the Longshot shows which was where he said “One time I wrote 36 songs that nobody listened to”.  And he didn’t say they didn’t like them, he said they didn’t listen to them.  Not enough people paid attention then. He was hoping to get people to pay attention now to the fact that these were really good songs.  

I might be misremembering it then. Reading his thoughts about Trilogy on ''My Life in 15 songs'', he mentioned this:

''I love those songs, but a lot of it feels half-baked. It was a weird time. I sort of had my own private nervous breakdown.''

I might've forgotten or straight up skipped the first words, which were positive words about the songs. Then again, he has mentioned that he doesn't know what Nuclear Family is about, which gave me this negative feeling that he doesn't appreciate his own songs from Trilogy. He also did that podcast (was it 2020 or 2021?) where I'm also remembering not-so-great-words-about-the-songs, but maybe I'm misremembering that aswell.

All in all, I'm glad to be wrong about it. God how much I'd love to hear anything from ¡Dos! again. Stop When The Red Lights Flash deserves permanent spot on setlist.

[Beerjeezus]

25 minutes ago, Miko said:

I might be misremembering it then. Reading his thoughts about Trilogy on ''My Life in 15 songs'', he mentioned this:

''I love those songs, but a lot of it feels half-baked. It was a weird time. I sort of had my own private nervous breakdown.''

I might've forgotten or straight up skipped the first words, which were positive words about the songs. Then again, he has mentioned that he doesn't know what Nuclear Family is about, which gave me this negative feeling that he doesn't appreciate his own songs from Trilogy. He also did that podcast (was it 2020 or 2021?) where I'm also remembering not-so-great-words-about-the-songs, but maybe I'm misremembering that aswell.

All in all, I'm glad to be wrong about it. God how much I'd love to hear anything from ¡Dos! again. Stop When The Red Lights Flash deserves permanent spot on setlist.

I don’t remember what exactly he said in the podcast but I think he was mostly focusing on how it was a hard time for him mental health-wise, I don’t think he said he didn’t like the songs, just that he felt burned out at that time but forced himself to keep working.

You 100% described what I meant though.

[pcj]

It was unfortunate that GD where unable to promote Trilogy prior to release, due to Billie Joe's illness, having to go to rehab.

As always, his unique songwriting talent, he continues to churn out consistent and brilliant songs. The Trilogy is no different, three more awesome albums to add to GD catalogue. Carpe Diem, Kill the DJ and Oh Love being my personal favs. 

 

[Lenny]

On 2/3/2022 at 6:18 AM, Clockwise said:

Absolutely wild that the Trilogy will be turning ten this year.

This is a kick in the balls

On 2/5/2022 at 6:19 AM, greenalert997x said:

Unfortunately, trilogy didn't bring them a new wave of fans

Not entirely true. My younger cousin got into Green Day during this time and I did see younger people at the show on the tour. 

It didn't bring in the same waves of new fans like AI but Green Day still is heavily listened to by a younger audience. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

This should have been the cover

[Insomniac1984]

52 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

This should have been the cover

I would expect that cover for a Weezer's tribute to Green Day album 😅