Trilogy Discussion

[Lenny]

5 minutes ago, Adorkable said:

Green day is a pretty poppy band. They may not be ariana grande pop, but it is pop music nonetheless. They appeal to all types of people, which is one of the reasons they are still around 30 years later. Their audience is whomever likes their music. They are on pop stations all the time.

Absolutely I agree Green Day does appeal to all types of people however, their audience are those who buy the merch, come to the shows and buy the records not people who download a single because the song hit the Hot 100. 

Modern pop fans don't give a fuck about Green Day. Doesn't mean they didn't enjoy some singles here and there over the years but these are people that think songs get "old".  Same group that disrespected the band throughout the trilogy and also the same group of stations that halted Green Day's airplay after the Iheart incident.

Green Day has sold more concert tickets and albums sold from being in Alternative and Rock radio rotations. It's just that it's more of a dedicated audience for what they do as a band.

 

 

[Christian's Inferno!]

I don't really get how Oh Love is anymore of a mainstream appeal than any of their other AI/21CB singles. I also don't get how it's less appealing to the Green Day audience either

[Hermione]

I dunno, it's just not a very typical Green Day single. Neither fast/energetic nor a ballad. Less of a rock or pop punk feel than usual, and heavily produced so that it sounds more pop/mainstream oriented than usual. It also isn't very representative of the albums as a whole. Just a bit of a weird choice for a first single.

[Christian's Inferno!]

4 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I dunno, it's just not a very typical Green Day single. Neither fast/energetic nor a ballad. Less of a rock or pop punk feel than usual, and heavily produced so that it sounds more pop/mainstream oriented than usual. It also isn't very representative of the albums as a whole. Just a bit of a weird choice for a first single.

Idk, I feel like Oh Love has that power pop sound of Uno but also sounds like one of the more "epic" songs of the trilogy that could be on Tré too.

[Beerjeezus]

What exactly was the point of stopping the airplay after iHeart? Is it just that stations simply won't play stuff that doesn't have a lot of promotion going on, or is there another reason why it works like this.

[Hermione]

Just now, Christian's Inferno! said:

Idk, I feel like Oh Love has that power pop sound of Uno but also sounds like one of the more "epic" songs of the trilogy that could be on Tré too.

It has the sound but it's kind of an outlier, more "epic" like you say. I would've expected them to choose something more straightforward and catchy like Stay the Night or Let Yourself Go, or if they wanted more of a curve ball Kill the DJ. Something to "get the party started".

[jengd]

I always thought Nuclear Family should have been the first single.

[pacejunkie punk]

42 minutes ago, jengd said:

I always thought Nuclear Family should have been the first single.

Carpe Diem would have worked too. The album is full of “singles” but I do think Oh Love because of the slow start and the more groove oriented tempo does drag a little for a lead off single. 

[Lenny]

3 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

What exactly was the point of stopping the airplay after iHeart? Is it just that stations simply won't play stuff that doesn't have a lot of promotion going on, or is there another reason why it works like this.

Clear Channel owns iheartradio and they almost own everything else too. I didn't take this as an attack on just Green Day. It was attack on guitar oriented music as a whole. 

The irony is that if it happened to Drake we would all need to give him our thoughts and prayers for his mental illness issue.

 

 

[The Bellie]

The pop/punk debate amuses me a bit, I never had anything "punk" (or which I discovered was punk afterwards) around me at first, and fell on GD for what is considered their "poppiest" sound perhaps, and am very glad of that. I love a song like Bang Bang (it was one of the first I learned to play, so...) but songs like Still Breathing or Brutal Love will always touch me way more. Billie is gifted for writing any kind of songs, from fast and angry to ballads, but to me he's really most gifted to write sensitive songs. All of it with power chords and he does a great job with it. So I think the better version of GD is that more sensitive stuff, which I don't think of as not-punk, if this makes sense. Just because it's softer and melodic doesn't mean it's not punk rock. I may sound simplistic but punk means what they want to do despite everyone's opinion. I must say I enjoy every type of music, rock being the thing I like the most and rap the least, and I enjoy pop in the middle, but for me every thing GD does is just GD punk rock, it's recognizable as their own stuff, and the fact it has softer and harder parts in it makes it even better.

About Oh Love, I feel the same as for many others of their singles, from Dookie to RevRad: it's a song that sounds great live, and I learned to love it with time, notably seeing live performances of it. I did like Nuclear Family and Stay The Night at first listen on the other hand, but perhaps singles aren't necessarily meant to be the songs the most obvious to love at first listen? I don't know. But they really write stuff to play them live

[Yosuke Hanamura]

Honestly, it’s all Rock N’ Roll to me, and I think of it thay way becausr I want to think of them in the same way as any other Rock Band. How people can classify every single song they’ve ever written as musically “Punk” is just baloney. Speaking beyond the Trilogy for a moment, you can’t say stuff like Peacemaker or Hold On is Punk in a musical sense. However their lifestyle can be classified as Punk, since they do things the way they want.

[Eric]

Triology is still better than shitty quality kerplunk and 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours

[Yosuke Hanamura]

23 minutes ago, Eric said:

Triology is still better than shitty quality kerplunk and 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours

You chose the wrong community to say that in man.

[Eric]

Just now, Yosuke Hanamura said:

You chose the wrong community to say that in man.

nah, perfect community to say it in, not everyone has to say and agree with the same thing.

[Yosuke Hanamura]

3 minutes ago, Eric said:

nah, perfect community to say it in, not everyone has to say and agree with the same thing.

I mean, I personally don’t mind. It’s just that some Green Day treat those two albums as sacred treasures. 

[MillenniumFan]

10 hours ago, Hermione said:

I think when Oh Love first came out most people seemed to like it. The video didn't get THAT much hate either, it definitely would've got more if it came out now. It got to number 3 in the US alternative rock chart which is better than anything else off the trilogy did. The thing was when the songs were first heard (we heard a lot through them being recorded at secret shows and then quite a few in studio form before the albums came out) they weren't hated on. It was really only after iHeart/rehab/no promotion of the albums from the band as a result that everything started to be called bad.

I think it still wouldn't have been that popular or successful anyway but it was a LOT worse because of the unfortunate timing of the rehab/band disappearing/cancelled shows right as the albums came out, it doomed them.

I'll agree that Oh Love didn't really get much initial hate and I do also think a lot of what people in GD circles or casual GD fans now think of the trilogy was down to the "bad optics" of it.

That being said, this doesn't really apply to me and it's not true for absolutely everyone else either. In my case for example, I remember having a distinctly luke-warm reaction to Oh Love when it came out (didn't hate it nor love it, although I thought the first "hypnotisation" music video was kinda weird). On the flipe side, I also remember actually being quite pumped up for the album itself, mostly because of the Irving Plaza Live shows they uploaded to YouTube and the "behind the scenes" snippets.

However, once I finally got my hands on the record and listened to it from front to back, I distinctly remember having a "meh" feeling about it. This didn't change with repeated listens and I also wasn't really following the promotional cycle closely, so I mostly heard the songs by simply listening to them on CD.

Is the trilogy as terrible as the most extreme haters would have you believe? Of course not. Was the quality of the trilogy the only reason for the hate and negativity it got/gets? No. 

However, at least for me, it didn't really provide a solid musical basis for popular opinion to be especially positive either. I just don't think the trilogy as a whole was great. Most here already know my main criticisms: production, lyrics and unnecessary bulk of songs. Those may of course just be my impressions, but I feel like there's also a decent amount of white-washing going on here, with people simply trying to counteract the equally flawed constant negativity/hate regarding these albums. It's how these things go, I guess.

[PleasedToMeetMe]

Oh Love was a really lame, bland choice for a single. I think the label just wasn't sure what to think about the Trilogy and the only reason it happened was because of Rob Cavallo. He believed in it, obviously, even if in the behind the scenes videos he just seems to be there going "yeah, sure. Sounds great" to everything.

[pacejunkie punk]

21 minutes ago, PleasedToMeetMe said:

Oh Love was a really lame, bland choice for a single. I think the label just wasn't sure what to think about the Trilogy and the only reason it happened was because of Rob Cavallo. He believed in it, obviously, even if in the behind the scenes videos he just seems to be there going "yeah, sure. Sounds great" to everything.

Yeah he pretty much admitted he didn’t do much and that was one of those projects where the band needed a producer. With a whip. 🙁

[That Dude]

Life has gotten bad for me as of late.  

Tonight, I needed a release.  So I drank a six-pack of Smirnoff Hurricane Punch and listened to music.  I went from country to Barenaked Ladies, but have ended up on Green Day's Tre album and WOW.  

There is something cathartic (cardio??) about jumping around in your underwear with a guitar in your hand, listening to Green Day.  I feel better already.  Dirty Rotten Bastards just came out and oh man it keeps getting better.

Bass Solo! 

I can almost taste it!  

No one is getting out alive!  

Ra da da da da de! 

I always want an American Idiot   / Nimrod / Warning styled album.  But in my drunken state I know what the perfect Green Day album should be:  

TRE and WARNING!   

 

[1039Revolutions]

To me, the trilogy meant more than the music itself. It’s a serious indicator about how diseased the current music industry is, in that a song like ‘Gucci Gang’ can attract a billion views and sell millions of units, and a song like ‘The Forgotten’ barely makes a blib in the mainstream.

It’s a testament to how there is not only something seriously wrong with modern day music, but human psychology as a whole.

I truly believe if The Forgotten was sung and released by Elton John in the 70s, it would have been a number 1 single, and still a major hit 40 years later. 

Its just a really weird time, and great music and song writing does not appeal to the average person anymore.

[Slave To The Network]

The trilogy really deserves more love than it gets. !Dos! was not as good as the other two, but even on that one, there are plenty of songs that I love. !Tré!, !Uno!, and then !Dos! how I would order those albums from favorite to least favorite.

[Hermione]

5 hours ago, 1039Revolutions said:

To me, the trilogy meant more than the music itself. It’s a serious indicator about how diseased the current music industry is, in that a song like ‘Gucci Gang’ can attract a billion views and sell millions of units, and a song like ‘The Forgotten’ barely makes a blib in the mainstream.

It’s a testament to how there is not only something seriously wrong with modern day music, but human psychology as a whole.

I truly believe if The Forgotten was sung and released by Elton John in the 70s, it would have been a number 1 single, and still a major hit 40 years later. 

Its just a really weird time, and great music and song writing does not appeal to the average person anymore.

Crappy music has always dominated the charts since they began. Look at lists of the biggest selling songs going back to the 60s, pop music has always beaten rock music and lame/throwaway songs have always been more successful than masterpieces more often than not. People have always believed whatever the new generation is doing is the worst ever and what came before was better going back to the beginning of history too, it's an illusion so don't fall into the trap of repeating it! In a few years people will look back at the music of the 2010s as so much better than whatever comes next and this will repeat forever. There's always good and bad music out there, and the charts are usually a lot of bad with some good.

[greendepent]

I disliked Oh love since the first listen. But live worked too great for my own deception. I mean, that live version from Summersonic 2012, or Berlin 2012 kicks so much ass. I don't know why or what it is, but seems the amount of energy plays a huge role specially on this songs. 

Maybe is the fact that those records are more about BJ himself than a character, and he let himself go. Maybe too much around the times of the release of ¡UNO! 

But the important thing is that the whole thing is amazing, even with it's flaws. I just hope to hear one or two songs of that live. I deserve it

[Christian's Inferno!]

If I were here for the release of the trilogy I would've been really excited after hearing Oh Love. Is that just me?

[Hermione]

32 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

If I were here for the release of the trilogy I would've been really excited after hearing Oh Love. Is that just me?

I don't know about now but then definitely not, most people were excited about it (as well as everything else we heard, stuff from the secret shows and other songs that came out before Uno). Not everyone loved it but it had a generally positive reception on here.