Trilogy Discussion

[Beerjeezus]

2 minutes ago, Hermione said:

If the Lady Cobra character on Dos is a "slut" then so is Billie's character. They're an even match, both after the same thing.

Yeah Billie is most definitely a slut 

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[emmericanidiot]

15 hours ago, 1039Revolutions said:

You have to be a certain type of fan to understand the trilogy and what it meant. Uno is like the choice between life or death, choosing life, Celebrating it, and wanting to destroy anyone that wants to shut down your party with negativity or reality. Dos is starting to realize the only people you're surrounded by are losers, druggies and sluts and then Tre is realizing you're the only one left in the room partying and it makes you happy because you're not like them anyway. It's some Masonic shit once you real delve into the lyrics. 

 

what 'certain type of fan' do you have to be? 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

3 hours ago, Jane Lannister said:

Euphemism for Lady Cobra 

Riiight. She's the slut in this scenario. If we're going to use the word at all let's be honest and call it like it is. Billie is the slut in the trilogy. Lady Cobra was just an easy target for pissed off fans who wanted to blame anyone but Billie for his behaviour/songs about cheating. 

[Hermione]

2 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Riiight. She's the slut in this scenario. If we're going to use the word at all let's be honest and call it like it is. Billie is the slut in the trilogy. Lady Cobra was just an easy target for pissed off fans who wanted to blame anyone but Billie for his behaviour/songs about cheating. 

Are we talking about the album/personas on the album or real life?  I mean on the album they're both "sluts" if we're using that term, in real life they're both just singers/musicians. Of course it was dumb that people thought that about her irl but that doesn't really have to do with the characters/personas on the album.

[Beerjeezus]

2 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Riiight. She's the slut in this scenario. If we're going to use the word at all let's be honest and call it like it is. Billie is the slut in the trilogy. Lady Cobra was just an easy target for pissed off fans who wanted to blame anyone but Billie for his behaviour/songs about cheating. 

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[UNICORN VOMIT]

8 hours ago, emmericanidiot said:

what 'certain type of fan' do you have to be? 

That was the other comment I was gonna query.....

[Jacob Ives]

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Hold him underwater till' that motherf****** drowns

Even though this is an overrated Uno song, its still amazing.

Little Boy Named Train & Amanda are absolute gold.

[pacejunkie punk]

59 minutes ago, Jacob Ives said:

Little Boy Named Train & Amanda are absolute gold.

OMG two of my least favorite songs on the whole trilogy! (Along with Ashley and The Forgotten) It's funny how mileage varies. 🙂

[The Bellie]

I love Amanda. (Lyrics are definitely gold.) 

Not as much as Stay The Night and Brutal Love though.

Or Walk Away... 

As Restless Heart Syndrome on 21st CB or Lazy Bones on Dos, it's one almost-never-played-live song I relate to very, very much, and that I can listen to when I want to get instantly emotional.

[Jacob Ives]

2 hours ago, Kuromignonne said:

I love Amanda. (Lyrics are definitely gold.) 

Not as much as Stay The Night and Brutal Love though.

Or Walk Away... 

As Restless Heart Syndrome on 21st CB or Lazy Bones on Dos, it's one almost-never-played-live song I relate to very, very much, and that I can listen to when I want to get instantly emotional.

Amanda is just amazing in every way.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

9 hours ago, Jacob Ives said:

 

Little Boy Named Train & Amanda are absolute gold.

c'mon now

[Jacob Ives]

Just now, SHART said:

c'mon now

All of the trilogy is gold, people just hate it cause it's cool. It's always the same "the lyrics are trash"

[UNICORN VOMIT]

1 minute ago, Jacob Ives said:

All of the trilogy is gold, people just hate it cause it's cool. It's always the same "the lyrics are trash"

No Im a trilogy lover just LBNT is "trash"

[localinsomniac]

I love everything Green Day's ever done, including the trilogy. But, to my ears, an overwhelming majority of it is caca.

[Zebahar]

Ever since Rev Rad came out, I mainly listened to that, American Idiot, and then I dabbled in their own songs a bit. I finally revisited some of my favorite trilogy songs a few days ago to find out that the songs I used to love are now boo boo. I remember when X-Kid came out and I thought it was one of those Green Day songs that would be a staple in their set lists and go down as one of their best songs. Listening to it now, I realized that it really isn't anything special to me and it really bums me out

[RougeRogue]

1 hour ago, Zebahar said:

I remember when X-Kid came out and I thought it was one of those Green Day songs that would be a staple in their set lists and go down as one of their best songs. Listening to it now, I realized that it really isn't anything special to me and it really bums me out

I'm gonna have to vehemently disagree. X-Kid is a victim of its era and perhaps in another world could have been much, much bigger. It is the nostalgic, defeated cousin to Still Breathing and not only is it my favorite song on the trilogy, it is easily within my top 5 favorite Green Day songs of all time. Where much of the trilogy seems to lack deep thoughts or strong emotions, X-Kid stands out in that way, along with perhaps a few other Tre songs. (lol Trey Songz?) I'm sorry you lost touch with it, but I can vouch that for me, it can still illicit one of the strongest emotional responses in all of GD's discography.

[Zebahar]

1 minute ago, RougeRogue said:

I'm gonna have to vehemently disagree. X-Kid is a victim of its era and perhaps in another world could have been much, much bigger. It is the nostalgic, defeated cousin to Still Breathing and not only is it my favorite song on the trilogy, it is easily within my top 5 favorite Green Day songs of all time. Where much of the trilogy seems to lack deep thoughts or strong emotions, X-Kid stands out in that way, along with perhaps a few other Tre songs. (lol Trey Songz?) I'm sorry you lost touch with it, but I can vouch that for me, it can still illicit one of the strongest emotional responses in all of GD's discography.

You disagree with me? How about we take this outside then, buddy.

But in all seriousness, I think Still Breathing actually is what did it for me. X-Kid used to illicit a strong emotional response from me too, but when I heard Still Breathing, that song immediately skyrocketed to the top for me. So maybe it isn't that I think X-Kid is bad, rather, I just get a stronger emotional response from a new song now, which ruins some of the magic of X-Kid for me. I hope that made sense

[pacejunkie punk]

I love X-kid and if we're talking about emotional songs on Tre, Sex, Drugs and Violence is another one (where the phrase Too Dumb to Die was born).

[RougeRogue]

2 minutes ago, Zebahar said:

You disagree with me? How about we take this outside then, buddy.

But in all seriousness, I think Still Breathing actually is what did it for me. X-Kid used to illicit a strong emotional response from me too, but when I heard Still Breathing, that song immediately skyrocketed to the top for me. So maybe it isn't that I think X-Kid is bad, rather, I just get a stronger emotional response from a new song now, which ruins some of the magic of X-Kid for me. I hope that made sense

They feel like two parts of the same story, yeah. But they aren't telling the same message. Yet, I've felt both. And I'll admit that the hopeful message is one that is probably preferable to experience, but emotions don't always just...stop being relevant. Jesus Of Suburbia, for example, is another top-5 for me for the same reason, but currently, at 25 years old with a stable and content lifestyle (minus the hurricane that's about to devour me), it's sometimes not as easy to reconnect with that angst. But it's there. It finds its way back into my brain and I'll feel those things again.

But I get it. Our experiences and emotions undoubtedly make music so subjective. I, for example, am not super into Stray Heart because the blatant cheating narrative makes me uncomfortable. But, objectively and from a technical standpoint, I do understand why people like it a lot. It happens.

[so-unholy]

32 minutes ago, RougeRogue said:

But I get it. Our experiences and emotions undoubtedly make music so subjective. I, for example, am not super into Stray Heart because the blatant cheating narrative makes me uncomfortable. But, objectively and from a technical standpoint, I do understand why people like it a lot. It happens.

Makes me really uncomfortable too, there are songs on Dos I just can't listen to anymore. It kind of sours the whole trilogy for me, even though there's far more good than bad. I know a lot of people have said the same, this isn't new. Since Billie almost always writes autobiographically, it just breaks my heart too much to think about that time, all the bullshit and what it must have been like. But seeing him out there kicking ass now, it's helped me appreciate the trilogy without so much of the baggage. 

[Christian's Inferno!]

X-Kid > Still Breathing

[GreenDayTheory]

The guitar tone is simplicity

[RougeRogue]

3 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

X-Kid > Still Breathing

Honestly? Yeah I agree with that.

 

10 hours ago, so-unholy said:

Makes me really uncomfortable too, there are songs on Dos I just can't listen to anymore. It kind of sours the whole trilogy for me, even though there's far more good than bad. I know a lot of people have said the same, this isn't new. Since Billie almost always writes autobiographically, it just breaks my heart too much to think about that time, all the bullshit and what it must have been like. But seeing him out there kicking ass now, it's helped me appreciate the trilogy without so much of the baggage. 

I have the reverse relationship with it in that when I first listened to Dos, I wasn't active on GDC anymore and wasn't involved with the fandom much at all. So when I heard it, I had the exact same reaction as you- I knew Billie wrote autobiographically and I can still remember being at a gas station, listening to it in my car and just being mortified. There was just no way that could be happening to this couple. I didn't want to listen to Dos ever again. See You Tonight, Fuck Time, and Amy are the only tracks on there I would frequent.

However, since then, I've come to take a different perspective on it. With our knowledge of his addiction, I was able to look at Stray Heart and this cheating narrative throughout Dos as one regarding drugs/addiction as the other entity involved in the "cheating", not an actual person. So I can digest Dos a whole lot better now, although the narrative still makes me uncomfortable on a personal level.

[Hermione]

Just because he draws inspiration from his real life it doesn't mean everything he writes is literal though! Plenty of what he writes can also come from past experiences or (as he's stated was the case with Dos) just things he's thinking about/ideas/fantasy/imagination. Some of the lyrics can be harder to listen to or all the more poignant now knowing what he was dealing with at the time but as far as the having a fling storyline that was just part of exploring the mid life crisis/giving into the temptations of rock n roll and the consequences of it theme of the album.

[Eric]

Trilogy still better than most bands entire discography. Still love singing along to each of these songs!