Trilogy Discussion

[Dakke]

1 hour ago, AmyxLongview said:

This is a generalization and may be wrong but I think most/many people who really love the trilogy became fans during or after that era. To me, the trilogy era was downright depressing compared to the AI and 21CB eras when they were on top of the world. With the trilogy, there weren't any hit songs, barely any promo, barely any touring, and of course the rehab incident.

I still like a lot of songs on the albums but I really don't view the era positively at all.

It definitely felt like that because there was no hype surrounding and propping up the release of Dos! and Tre!, which were never able to make a dent, both commercially and critically. Even after they resumed touring in March 2013, there was but nervous relief and the damage inflicted by Billie's breakdown and rehab could not be reversed. The Trilogy tanked and Green Day were largely forgotten by the general public after they stopped touring in September. Personally, it wasn't the greatest time of my life either and combined with the whole Trilogy flop, I just experienced it as a very unpleasant period. However, e got RevRad, which would not have been the album we have today without the whole Trilogy fiasco.

[Beerjeezus]

I agree with Maria Gloria as well, a lot of it was really great - the secret shows were the best, I wish they'd do some again. And some of the interviews were fun too but when I compare that time to today, I must say what they're doing now seems much less forced and I'm enjoying it more. 

Overall, I don't see it as any tragedy. Some of it was fun. And tbh, if I should name shows I'd like to have been to, Irving Plaza would be among them - that setlist omg. 

[End Of The World]

Everytime my mind tries to dislike Trilogy, I always remember myself:

"Hey, little kid, if you had never heard Stray Heart that day on MTV you would not be here writing this".

Trilogy is 1/4 of my life. Just this. 

[WhiteTim]

2 minutes ago, End Of The World said:

Everytime my mind tries to dislike Trilogy, I always remember myself:

"Hey, little kid, if you had never heard Stray Heart that day on MTV you would not be here writing this".

Trilogy is 1/4 of my life. Just this. 

cool they're still getting young fans awesome 

and I was around the same age as you were when I got into them 

[End Of The World]

18 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

cool they're still getting young fans awesome 

and I was around the same age as you were when I got into them 

Yeah I consider myself lucky to have discovered GD during their least successful era. I was 11 years old.

[St. Jonny]

Must feel so different, but see, Trilogy turned some people onto the band. I feel lucky to be from the Dookie era. I was 5 or 6 when I got Dookie and it turned me onto the whole world of heavy music. I mostly listen to metal now but if it wasn't for Green Day in 1994, I may be into some crappier form of music and I have never turned away from Green Day considering Insomniac followed it up and was even heavier. So as a die hard fan for 22 years or more (holy shiiit), I will also say I love the Trilogy and exactly what it was and everything surrounding it. It is what it is! It is very cool that you discovered them at that time. What is kind of funny is my copies of Kerplunk, Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod and Warning are all years older than you, which is making me feel old now. I was your age when AI came out and that album was the hardest to wrap my head around out of all of them being so different from what we had before.

[DeJennsitized]

Regarding the artwork...I liked it for what it was, but it didn't seem very Green Day. Too bright and excited and "look how much fun we're having with this!!!" to feel completely genuine.

Perspective and hindsight are amazing things. I still love a lot of Trilogy songs, but they just could have been better. It didn't feel like their best.

[nopride84]

I've been a fan for 20 years and I love the trilogy. During American idot and breakdown era I just wished they would go back to just playing regular songs and being green day. And when I heard uno I feel like we got that old band back. If you put trilogy songs between nimrod and warning or between warning and American idiot Ina playlist they fit perfectly . We got so much green day at one time it was fuckin awesome and they didnt need promotion who cares how well these albums sell we the fans buy them and I bought them and enjoyed them and still enjoy them and that's all that counts . Fuck album sales why does anyone here care? And they did do promotion for the album's there was plenty of interviews or TV appearances wether they were concerts or playing VMAs or good morning America. Not like theyre really doing that much more this time around either. Also the shows from 2013 kick-ass. I'm kinda disappointed they're not playing any trilogy songs this time around.

[Christian's Inferno!]

7 minutes ago, nopride84 said:

I've been a fan for 20 years and I love the trilogy. During American idot and breakdown era I just wished they would go back to just playing regular songs and being green day. And when I heard uno I feel like we got that old band back. If you put trilogy songs between nimrod and warning or between warning and American idiot Ina playlist they fit perfectly . We got so much green day at one time it was fuckin awesome and they didnt need promotion who cares how well these albums sell we the fans buy them and I bought them and enjoyed them and still enjoy them and that's all that counts . Fuck album sales why does anyone here care? And they did do promotion for the album's there was plenty of interviews or TV appearances wether they were concerts or playing VMAs or good morning America. Not like theyre really doing that much more this time around either. Also the shows from 2013 kick-ass. I'm kinda disappointed they're not playing any trilogy songs this time around.

 Seagull, did you make another account?

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, nopride84 said:

I've been a fan for 20 years and I love the trilogy. During American idot and breakdown era I just wished they would go back to just playing regular songs and being green day. And when I heard uno I feel like we got that old band back. If you put trilogy songs between nimrod and warning or between warning and American idiot Ina playlist they fit perfectly . We got so much green day at one time it was fuckin awesome and they didnt need promotion who cares how well these albums sell we the fans buy them and I bought them and enjoyed them and still enjoy them and that's all that counts . Fuck album sales why does anyone here care? And they did do promotion for the album's there was plenty of interviews or TV appearances wether they were concerts or playing VMAs or good morning America. Not like theyre really doing that much more this time around either. Also the shows from 2013 kick-ass. I'm kinda disappointed they're not playing any trilogy songs this time around.

I don't care about album sales. It's just that the trilogy had terrible songs. 

[dudley dawson]

People love calling the trilogy a "flop" but didn't Uno outsell RevRad by a large margin?  Seriously, if you are a real fan of any band, you should not care how well an album sells.

[St. Jonny]

I mentioned before I wasn't a big fan of Makeout Party but that is false. Has a wicked solo and was singing along with every word when I was blaring it earlier today. Great tune!

[End Of The World]

20 minutes ago, St. Jonny said:

I mentioned before I wasn't a big fan of Makeout Party but that is false. Has a wicked solo and was singing along with every word when I was blaring it earlier today. Great tune!

The first bass solo I learnt to play. Such a sick song, the soul of Dos! 

[That Dude]

I've always been a big Trilogy supporter.  I related to them and really enjoyed them.   But I took Rev Rad out after months of repeated listening to give Dos and Tre a few spins and I've got to say......I can finally understand what people were saying about them just not being quality records.   Sure I enjoy the songs but they just don't have the weight or perspective or sound quality of other Green Day works.   I found myself skipping through them, which is something I don't typically do with Green Day (I skip around on Kerplunk but that's it).  

It will always hold a special place in my heart.  I did after all buy the standard discs, the vinyl records, the deluxe book versions and another book version of Uno.   

It was a cool experiment and I'm glad they did it.   But like Billie Joe says, "You can't make something great without a series of mistakes".   The Trilogy was a mis-step on a journey.  

Despite Billie being such a mess he still managed to write some brilliant stuff.   I don't believe he's capable of writing a terrible song.    

 

Top Trilogy Tracks:

Stay the Night

Kill the DJ 

Rusty James

Lazy Bones

Ashley

Nightlife 

Brutal Love 

X-Kid 

The Forgotten 

Missing You

 

Another big deal that I just noticed.  What's up with all these weird song writing credits that are popping up on Green Day's wikipedia page?  I know Wiki is known for incorrect info but take a look at Uno.    

Apparently Green Day either teamed up or stole a bunch of other musicians music for Carpe Diem, Kill the DJ and Loss of Control.  

WHAT THE F(WOO)?

Is it like that nonsense about the Struts and Still Breathing or are these legit?    

[Steven Seagull]

On 15. 12. 2016 at 6:55 PM, nopride84 said:

I've been a fan for 20 years and I love the trilogy. During American idot and breakdown era I just wished they would go back to just playing regular songs and being green day. And when I heard uno I feel like we got that old band back. If you put trilogy songs between nimrod and warning or between warning and American idiot Ina playlist they fit perfectly . We got so much green day at one time it was fuckin awesome and they didnt need promotion who cares how well these albums sell we the fans buy them and I bought them and enjoyed them and still enjoy them and that's all that counts . Fuck album sales why does anyone here care? And they did do promotion for the album's there was plenty of interviews or TV appearances wether they were concerts or playing VMAs or good morning America. Not like theyre really doing that much more this time around either. Also the shows from 2013 kick-ass. I'm kinda disappointed they're not playing any trilogy songs this time around.

This is exactly how I felt. They should just skip AI and 21CB those albums ruined Green Day and the Trilogy was a great comeback after so many years.

[nopride84]

7 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

This is exactly how I felt. They should just skip AI and 21CB those albums ruined Green Day and the Trilogy was a great comeback after so many years.

I guess we're the only ones 

[Christian's Inferno!]

7 hours ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said:

Another big deal that I just noticed.  What's up with all these weird song writing credits that are popping up on Green Day's wikipedia page?  I know Wiki is known for incorrect info but take a look at Uno.    

Apparently Green Day either teamed up or stole a bunch of other musicians music for Carpe Diem, Kill the DJ and Loss of Control.  

WHAT THE F(WOO)?

Is it like that nonsense about the Struts and Still Breathing or are these legit?    

Just looked it up. It seems that if you search for these songs on https://www.sesac.com/Repertory/SongSearch.aspx (Reference No. 48 on the Uno wikipedia page), those names come up. I'm not sure how reliable that site is but it seems pretty legit. Idk if those musicians are credited in the lyric book or on the cd, I don't own them so I wouldn't know

I'd probably say they teamed up with the musicians rather than stole their music. At least I hope so

[Beerjeezus]

I thought it was a common knowledge that Loss of Control is a The Pretenders' song. 

[That Dude]

19 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

Just looked it up. It seems that if you search for these songs on https://www.sesac.com/Repertory/SongSearch.aspx (Reference No. 48 on the Uno wikipedia page), those names come up. I'm not sure how reliable that site is but it seems pretty legit. Idk if those musicians are credited in the lyric book or on the cd, I don't own them so I wouldn't know

I'd probably say they teamed up with the musicians rather than stole their music. At least I hope so

Those names are not in the lyric books, unless they were added to newer copies of the album.  I googled the people names with the song titles and some of them come up with articles about how Green Day gave these people credit after some legal action or how these people gave Green Day permission to use their melody (Carpe Diem).   

http://louderthanwar.com/the-true-story-of-green-day-and-the-purple-hearts-song/

https://www.reddit.com/r/greenday/comments/5bdd91/green_day_sampled_songs_for_uno/

 

Carpe Diem, Kill the DJ and Loss of Control all sound a HECK OF A LOT like other songs.  Not like in a Waiting / Downtown kind of way, but like a copyright infringement kind of way.   The links above have further links to these songs and after listening to them, I agree with their decision to give song writing credits to these people.  

Makes me wonder about that Still Breathing / Struts business.   Rev Rad had NO song writing credits whatsoever which was very strange.   It made me wonder why.  

oh and that songfacts.com there are lots of interesting tidbits about how Green Day do this OFTEN.   Check out this song that sounds like Stray Heart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpRm-p7qlY

 

While interesting, the site is filled with inaccuracies about the band that us GDA users would find offensive.   One person claimed that Stray Heart was called Drama Queen on early pressing when it fact some of the vinyl copies had the song Drama Queen on them.    UGH.   

But yeah.  

We celebrate plagiarists here at Green Day Authority.   

lol.

 

 

 

  

[Nowhere Man]

After 4 years of listening to Trilogy I have to say that "Tre" has some songs that could have become classic but unfortunately were not noticed.

1. Brutal Love - that orchestra arrangement is extremely well done. With most Trilogy songs you have a boring and predictable mixing but here it's on top.

2. Missing You - one of the best Green Day's pop punk songs. And although lyrics are kind of cliche,  I always believe every single word and they appear to be great and exact. Waiting vibes. Great bass. Great drums.

3. X-Kid - that's the biggest myster for me. The melody is so beautiful (with nice backing vocals) that it was destined to be a hit but..but. 

[Christian's Inferno!]

22 minutes ago, Nowhere Man said:

After 4 years of listening to Trilogy I have to say that "Tre" has some songs that could have become classic but unfortunately were not noticed.

1. Brutal Love - that orchestra arrangement is extremely well done. With most Trilogy songs you have a boring and predictable mixing but here it's on top.

2. Missing You - one of the best Green Day's pop punk songs. And although lyrics are kind of cliche,  I always believe every single word and they appear to be great and exact. Waiting vibes. Great bass. Great drums.

3. X-Kid - that's the biggest myster for me. The melody is so beautiful (with nice backing vocals) that it was destined to be a hit but..but. 

Missing You is one of my least favourite trilogy songs. Generic lyrics (at some points cringeworthy), generic love song, nothing special instrumentally. Everything about it screams generic and mediocre to me. Don't understand why some people love it so much

[Hermione]

11 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

Missing You is one of my least favourite trilogy songs. Generic lyrics (at some points cringeworthy), generic love song, nothing special instrumentally. Everything about it screams generic and mediocre to me. Don't understand why some people love it so much

The lyrics come off as simple but very true and relatable to me. Like @Nowhere Man said it's that thing where it could be seen as cliched but it's ok because it rings true, which I find is the case with quite a lot of Green Day lyrics about love. Also I'll forever be amused by "It gets so hard when I'm missing you"  

[Steven Seagull]

Missing You is one of the catchiest Green Day songs ever. Also the bass line on that one is so great.

[solongfromthestars]

I love Missing You because it's a long distance anthem  

[bouncingoffthewallbja]

Missing You is perhaps one of my favourites off the Trilogy. Yes, the lyrics are quite generic, but I find the song fun, punchy and catchy!