Trilogy Discussion

[WhiteTim]

3 minutes ago, Platypus357 said:

I think I am starting to like the trilogy better than AI. Putting aside "I like your BM-excellent tits" and things like that, these albums all have something great about them. Some examples are: Carpe Diem, Lazy Bones, Brutal love, X-kid, Oh love, and Stray Heart. Those are some of GDs best. Great songs from AI: Homecoming, letterbomb.

Stray Heart can never be at their best when its ripped from a FBHT song in a much better song which was ripped from the Jets which was ripped from another song 

tho I do agree with the Brutal Love mention (tho its ripped from the genius Sam Cooke but they credited him at least lol)

[DeJennsitized]

9 minutes ago, Platypus357 said:

I think I am starting to like the trilogy better than AI. Putting aside "I like your BM-excellent tits" and things like that, these albums all have something great about them. Some examples are: Carpe Diem, Lazy Bones, Brutal love, X-kid, Oh love, and Stray Heart. Those are some of GDs best. Great songs from AI: Homecoming, letterbomb.

Well I mean, it's statistically more likely that you'll like more songs from the Trilogy than AI because there are more songs. But I don't think it means the trilogy is better. I find that the ratio of good songs is better on AI than the Trilogy.

Edit: I say 'good songs', but really I don't actually dislike any songs from any album. My standards for this band are just very high  

[End Of The World]

37 minutes ago, Jenn. said:

I find that the ratio of good songs is better on AI than the Trilogy.

I agree. The higher ratio of good songs IMO is in Nimrod: 18/18. Then AI, with 12/13 (sorry Extraordinary Girl ) and RevRad, 11/12 (I just can't like Ordinary World). Trilogy has 30/37, that is good.

[dudley dawson]

It's sad none of these songs are being played on the current tour.  I wonder if they will ever see the light of day again?  I would guess so in future tours but who knows.

[Beerjeezus]

2 hours ago, dudley dawson said:

It's sad none of these songs are being played on the current tour.  I wonder if they will ever see the light of day again?  I would guess so in future tours but who knows.

I guess they'll bring back some of it in the future. 

They made a good choice with laying it off for a while - with more distance, it will be accepted more fondly. And most likely, they aren't very much into it at this point.

Personally, I don't even care anymore. I take those albums for what they are worth. There are songs I like and songs I don't like but that's fine. There's still some bad taste left - I was disappointed by Trilogy, I didn't like the era in general. The promotion they did for it was kind of meh, it felt forced. And my concert-attending plans fell flat. (That's not anybody's fault, ofc.) I suppose I'll be able to enjoy it more later and hopefully I'm not the only one. 

Edit: Am I the only one who disliked the aesthetic they used? The album covers were so fugly, I always cringe when I see it lol. Some of the merch was really nice though.

[Second favourite son]

8 hours ago, WhiteTim said:

Stray Heart can never be at their best when its ripped from a FBHT song in a much better song which was ripped from the Jets which was ripped from another song 

I have to disagree.  Stray heart is one of my favourite songs of all time.  The only similarity to the FBHT song (Mother Mary) is the rhythm, and that's the only similarity I can see with the Jet song (Are you gonna be my girl?) too.  There's no similarity at all, at least to my ear, in the tunes of the riffs or the chord patterns.  The bass tones are also very different on all three.  It just happens that they're all successful songs because they have a good upbeat rhythm and are driven by catchy bass riffs.

[Platypus357]

8 hours ago, Jenn. said:

Well I mean, it's statistically more likely that you'll like more songs from the Trilogy than AI because there are more songs. But I don't think it means the trilogy is better. I find that the ratio of good songs is better on AI than the Trilogy.

Edit: I say 'good songs', but really I don't actually dislike any songs from any album. My standards for this band are just very high  

I like almost all songs from all 3 albums. Comparing any single one to AI, there would be more from Uno, Dos, or Tre. In fact, I do not dislike any song on dos. I was just listing some of the best from each album.

[WhiteTim]

1 minute ago, Second favourite son said:

I have to disagree.  Stray heart is one of my favourite songs of all time.  The only similarity to the FBHT song (Mother Mary) is the rhythm, and that's the only similarity I can see with the Jet song (Are you gonna be my girl?) too.  There's no similarity at all, at least to my ear, in the tunes of the riffs or the chord patterns.  The bass tones are also very different on all three.  It just happens that they're all successful songs because they have a good upbeat rhythm and are driven by catchy bass riffs.

The bass matches up you can load them in virtual Dj or serato slown down one or two of the songs but I'm really only joking around with the reason if I was I'd have to knock down Brutal Love and I love that song 

[Steven Seagull]

They did a fantastic job with the Trilogy, too bad they didn't stick with the concept when they were making RR

[Second favourite son]

3 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

The bass matches up you can load them in virtual Dj or serato slown down one or two of the songs but I'm really only joking around with the reason if I was I'd have to knock down Brutal Love and I love that song 

In tune?  That would surprise me.  But rhythm it certainly will match up.

Agree that Brutal Love is an absolutely awesome song though!

[WhiteTim]

1 minute ago, Second favourite son said:

In tune?  That would surprise me.  But rhythm it certainly will match up.

Agree that Brutal Love is an absolutely awesome song though!

Well hard for me to say in tune for sure when dealing with the drums and guitars as well if each track had isolated tracks available be easier lol but yeah rhythm matches up but like I said I'm mainly joking around except on the Mother Mary I think Mother Mary is the supieor version 

I was a fan of Stray Heart until I saw it live and it was horrible singing wise when I saw them perform and it really took a dive from me since 

[Marki.]

28 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

Edit: Am I the only one who disliked the aesthetic they used? The album covers were so fugly, I always cringe when I see it lol. Some of the merch was really nice though.

I also really disliked the covers and most of the artwork, and I kinda thought this wasn't even an unpopular opinion  I think I've grown to like it a little bit, but still, the colours they used on the covers are terrible imo.

[WhiteTim]

I'll say this I like the trilogy is it the best thing they've done oh no not at all but it's got some great songs a lot of good songs and some ehhhhh songs 

[St. Jonny]

Good way to sum it up. Brutal Love should still be done near the end of the show, it appears to get all the love it deserves. If not, it'll be coming back eventually. They should be doing it just to represent the Trilogy in some way. Would also be interesting to open the show with Billie singing See You Tonight, I know many will disagree but it would be pretty sweet.

[bouncingoffthewallbja]

I quite like the Trilogy! Sure there's a few songs I can't really bring myself to listen to and there are some lyrics that aren't that great, but I'd love to see some of the Trilogy songs played live e.g Brutal Love, Stop When the Red Lights Flash, Stay the Night, Carpe Diem, Nuclear Family, Dirty Rotten Bastards and Makeout Party 

[henrybr]

19 hours ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said:

What do you find to be their worst?   For me personally, it's Kerplunk.  I know that isn't a popular opinion but I believe they've gotten better over time.  1039 was a pretty cool album and Kerplunk has some cool tracks on it but overall there isn't anything on it that just floors me.

If I had to get rid of two albums from their discography it would be their first two albums.     After that though, I wouldn't be able to decide.     

I feel like a cello.  Sniffing glue like pigs over the rainbow way up high.  BM-excellent tits make me wanna better way to die.   

Excerpt from "Too Troubled to Die Now"   

 

I guess their worst, even though not bad at all, for me are 21CB and RevRad. Those records are fine, but they captivate me less than all the others. If I'd rank GD albuns, it would be something like:

1- Insomniac

2- Dookie

3- Kerplunk

4- Warning

5- AI

6- Nimrod

7- 1039

8- Tré

9- Dos

10- Uno

11- Shenanigans

12- Revolution Radio

13- 21CB

Edited December 7, 2016 by henrybr

[WhiteTim]

we're ranking compilations as albums too? that may change ranks for my list 

[henrybr]

I don't know, since Shenanigans is not a best of, but a compilation of b-sides, i rank it as an album. But if it's not, just remove it from the list.

[Beerjeezus]

15 hours ago, Marki. said:

I also really disliked the covers and most of the artwork, and I kinda thought this wasn't even an unpopular opinion  I think I've grown to like it a little bit, but still, the colours they used on the covers are terrible imo.

Purple and green is the worst color combination they could have come up with. It's absolutely horrible.  Revrad cover isn't anything special and I'm not too fond of it but it still is sooo much better than this abomination lol

[Dakke]

The Trilogy album font was pretty nice, but the overall style of the era was either forced and garish (I never liked their personal styling anno 2012) or too spartan, particularly the stage backdrops, certainly when compared to the copious effects and art used during the 21st Century Breakdown tour. It always gave me the impression they were simply trying too hard to rejuvenate themselves and harken back to their halcyon early years, which is also apparent in the albums.

[Marki.]

I really feel like they wanted to have with the Trilogy what they've got with RevRad now. It just didn't come naturally at that time, so they forced it. I think they tried hard to make everything seem genuinely fun and as if it was coming from a good place, when it really wasn't.

[AmyxLongview]

This is a generalization and may be wrong but I think most/many people who really love the trilogy became fans during or after that era. To me, the trilogy era was downright depressing compared to the AI and 21CB eras when they were on top of the world. With the trilogy, there weren't any hit songs, barely any promo, barely any touring, and of course the rehab incident.

I still like a lot of songs on the albums but I really don't view the era positively at all.

[Steven Seagull]

I can listen to the Trilogy any time and enjoy it like I heard it the first time. That's why these albums are so awesome.

[solongfromthestars]

I don't feel the trilogy era was super positive but I have fond memories of quite a lot of the promo, like the Radio One interview where Billie played clips of songs and got in trouble for it It was fun waiting for the next video that led up to the release and I remember the excitement when I saw this one especially:

 

 

It was exciting waiting for the next secret show too, wondering what new songs we'd hear and gradually finding out what each one sounded like. We know now that they were pushing themselves way too hard and the albums didn't turn out as they hoped, but it came across (to me, at least) that they were full of excitement and had high hopes at first.

Some of it was questionable for sure and I did think that even at the time. I still feel uncomfortable when I see the photos/videos around Irving Plaza and that general time before iHeart, especially some of the stuff Billie was posting on Instagram. There are quite a few quotes from then that sound nothing like him and are weird to see, too.

But I don't know, I don't see it that negatively otherwise. Makes a difference that I liked the music, of course. Though when I think about it, as incredible as the 21CB era was they were obviously exhausted by it - Billie has said a few times that the album drove him crazy. I don't view that as so different to the effect the trilogy eventually had.

As for the album covers, they are very ugly but I kind of like them in a weird way now I dyed my hair pink and green back then and it matched my Uno Converse. A lot of the album art came across as quite lazy but a few of the pages were great, like this one

[Marki.]

6 minutes ago, Maria Gloria said:

 

I agree with everything you said... I don't see it that negatively either, and didn't see it that negatively when it was still happening. It's just that now when we know how bad some things were, watching a lot of the stuff back makes me really uncomfortable. And you're right about the 21st CB era - it makes me a bit nervous about the huge RevRad tour they're planning, I wouldn't want them to end up really exhausted and not enjoying it by the end.

And good to hear I'm not alone in finding the album art ugly  I kind of grew to like it over time though.