Trilogy Discussion

[Steven Seagull]

3 hours ago, greenalert997x said:

I love the mastering a hundred times better than trilogy and the effect is great they self-produced revrad. That's my opinion  

Maybe you're used to shitty audio if you actually believe the mastering on RevRad is good. Production has nothing to do with it. They self produced Warning and that one sounds amazing. Trilogy had the best sound since Warning.

[greenalert997x]

It doesn't bother me at all that revrad isn't consistent when it comes to the mastering, for instance - Still Breathing and Ordinary World compared to the rest from revrad - vocal, guitar, bass, all the final mastering stuff, compression, correction, limiters, whatever I'm truly happy they didn't polish every single song as they did it 4 years ago but I ain't a recording engineer and I just enjoy the music, to me is great  

[Big Neil]

On July 21, 2016 at 1:41 AM, Justin1 said:

All I know is the Trilogy came out 4 years ago, and I still listen to it all the time. Not every day, but at least a couple times a week. I don't remember having that much love for any other Green Day album/era. I think it's just the headspace that Billie was in at the time is SO apparent in the music, and it's just really refreshing and honest. 

I guess all of that, combined with the fact they already had so much much success prior to the trilogy, and with the musical, made me just love it! They could have easily started to unwind and enjoy the fruits of their labor, but instead, not only decided to keep going strong, but 3 fold!

I really don't think it's possible that Green Day could have pulled this off without Billie going mad, which he did.. And I'm really excited to see what the new albums will sound like going forward. 

I know as individual albums, none of them are my favorites, but looking at all 3 together, and the idea, this might be my favourite project/era for sure. I just can't see how it can be topped, especially for a hardcore Green Day fan.

Agreed.

[Big Neil]

The trilogy is massively underrated and seems to be very misunderstood. The three records were like one great record with all the cool b-sides included. Why in the eff wouldn't a Green Day fan be over the moon for these records is beyond me. 

I love the fun Green Day / Foxboro Hot Tubs kind of songs that were very present on Dos especially but really all throughout the records. I like the honestly of the lyrics and showcasing ideas of fun & love. Not everything has to be a massive political statement. A lot of us are miserable in our day to day lives. Fun is a good thing for us.

The songs are fun & different enough to be exciting & the lyrics seem honest & real in so many of the songs. The same people complaining about the cartoony caricature writing of American Idiot & 21CB also seem to be dumping on the trilogy. The trilogy has some of the most honest & raw writing I've seen in years of Green Day records. Sometimes a grown man has a hangover or a crush or a thought about a missing friend or all kinds of crazy stuff! I'm so happy Billie Joe wrote honestly as the character of himself & how he might feel lazy or nostalgic or what-have-you.  It happens. And sometimes an artist will write something funny, lazy, epic, spontaneous & strange. I like how the trilogy gives a fan the best of what makes Green Day Green Day plus a whole lot more. Growing up with Green Day has been a blast and the trilogy was a great gift for me.

Uno, Dos, Tre was a very ambitious project & am super grateful they did it. I hope they'll play a lot more songs from those albums live. Seems to be missing from the current set lists. Please for the love of all that is good bring back some trilogy songs to the set lists and realize these songs are appreciated & fans would love to hear them again!

[stories and songs]

On September 29, 2016 at 10:09 PM, thatdude03 said:

Oh man, time flies.  Think about it.  Green Day's next album will probably be released in the 20's!  So weird to think about!

I'm hoping it'll be called Money Money 2020.

[That Dude]

So with this last show they did they showcased songs from each and every released EXCEPT the trilogy (well, 409 In your Coffee Maker is from the compilation of 1039/Smooth and not the original album which irks me a little but it's something from that era anyway)

 

 

[Eric]

This tour NEEDS Lazy Bones on the setlist!

[bloodymurderbitch]

I would love to hear Lazy Bones live! It's one of my favorites off of the Trilogy. I don't know how many times I scream/sang along to this song in the car crying when it came out. I'm not sure if we'll get to hear it this time around.

 

I understand why he would mentally - just for now - need to not really revisit these songs. I won't be surprised if they skip over the albums for this tour but who knows, maybe next tour around they'll all feel good to pepper some in. Or maybe we'll get a few as they start picking up steam this time around, guessing game. 

[greendepent]

The years won't go in vain, and my opinions have now a closed spot (hopefully). 

Good things:

- There is songs that deserve a shiny place being played live constantly, along the classics. Nuclear Family, Stay the night, Rusty James, Missing You, Stray Heart are all good songs and I need them in live context. Nuclear Family could be easily mistaken with a Nimrod song, if weren't for the guitar tone.

- Guitar work. A lot of amazing solos, quite a step up looking all records after 39/Smooth. Loss of Control, Wow, that's loud, Makeout Party, among others. Tasty

- Sound challenge: piano driven songs, beatles-esque songs, some old school rock and roll and even rap! You can hate Nightlife all you want, but can't deny that this band has guts to release songs like that!

- Interesting themes: Little boy named Train and X-kid are highlights to me 'cause they bring something new to the table. Growing up and getting demoralized to the point of wishing death is hard. Hard also is, the lack of identificacion with things that society tells you must identificate yourself with that, while feeling that you don't fit with any of the descriptions.

Bad things:

- Guitar tone: plain death. They wanted to leave more space to drums and bass, but there are other ways to achive that.

- Leaving "State of Shock" and "Dreamcatcher" outside the records. The last one still hurts me 

- Lack of promotion: I know that rehab shaked all things up, but they opted for a small tour, then playing dookie and goodbye. So many cool things went to waste

- Song structures: with 37 songs, they could make it better instead the common verse/chorus/verse in the mayority of songs. But well, is not that Green Day is an expert doing uncommon shapes for songs. They are a pop band after all.

In the middle

- Mid-life crisis lyrics: I like honesty, and Billie Joe was way more frontal in lyrics than in American Idiot or Breakdown, but not at the point he looked like bleeding after a beatup in the floor. I mean, Lazy bones is cool, but too open for my taste. I prefer the aproach of Rusty James or 8th Avenue Serenade, even Sex, Drugs & Violence.

[bloodymurderbitch]

I would never consider 'too open' a negative in music? Everyone is different of course but no such thing as too open in music for me! 

 

I also want to hear Kill The DJ live. I find that song to actually be quite personal under surface level because I've always listened to it with the viewpoint that the DJ is the voice of addiction/mental illness spinning bullshit in your brain and you trying to hold it underwear till that mother fucker drowns... just my take. 

[Eric]

20 minutes ago, bloodymurderbitch said:

I would never consider 'too open' a negative in music? Everyone is different of course but no such thing as too open in music for me! 

 

I also want to hear Kill The DJ live. I find that song to actually be quite personal under surface level because I've always listened to it with the viewpoint that the DJ is the voice of addiction/mental illness spinning bullshit in your brain and you trying to hold it underwear till that mother fucker drowns... just my take. 

It's never a bad thing too be too open to music, but on here it seems like it is. oh well! I agree I want to see Kill the DJ again!  

[Christian's Inferno!]

I've read a few pages of these threads from back when the trilogy albums were released. I'm actually surprised at how positive the reactions were to these albums. I know this is a GD forum and therefore people will like the albums no matter what, it's just I expected a few more negative responses than I saw.

I really hope in a few years time, people aren't saying negative things about RR in the same way as people say them about the trilogy.

[stories and songs]

Time and reflection definitely changes peoples' opinions, but I don't think RevRad will suffer the same fate as the trilogy. I personally associate the trilogy with a really difficult time, both personally and for the band (which only made my personal difficulties feel even worse, because my usual source of happiness turned into another source of stress). RevRad has better morale all around, and that will show even in a few years time. This has been a REALLY great time to be a Green Day fan.

[solongfromthestars]

I think it's more that opinions of the trilogy changed after the rehab mess and a hate bandwagon started, rather than that opinions changed naturally with time. I agree with what Tre said in one of the recent interviews - that time will likely be kind to the trilogy. Maybe in 10 years people won't see it so negatively.

Then again, a similar thing did happen with 21CB. I'm always surprised to see a lot of people saying it's a masterpiece because it was not cool to like it at the time. Even though Billie had declared it the best thing they'd ever done, people were still insisting the band hated it. So I don't know, maybe it could happen with RevRad, but I hope not.

[Christian's Inferno!]

8 minutes ago, Maria Gloria said:

I think it's more that opinions of the trilogy changed after the rehab mess and a hate bandwagon started, rather than that opinions changed naturally with time. I agree with what Tre said in one of the recent interviews - that time will likely be kind to the trilogy and maybe in 10 years people won't see it so negatively.

Then again, a similar thing did happen with 21CB. I'm always surprised to see a lot of people saying it's a masterpiece because it was not cool to like it at the time. Even though Billie had declared it the best thing they'd ever done, people were still insisting the band hated it. So I don't know, maybe it could happen with RevRad, but I hope not.

What interview did Tré say that?

[Chin for a Day]

Here is an article where a writer for Newsday called the Trilogy the 11th best album of 2012.  He says that the Trilogy won't immediately get its due, but it will.   Now, I will admit this guy is an unabashed GD fan boy, but I always thought he was right on that statement. 

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/glenn-gamboa-s-best-albums-of-the-year-1.4358778

 

[solongfromthestars]

13 minutes ago, MysticManiac said:

What interview did Tré say that?

I think it was Rock Sound? He said he liked it and time would be kind to it, if I remember right.

[stories and songs]

27 minutes ago, Maria Gloria said:

I think it's more that opinions of the trilogy changed after the rehab mess and a hate bandwagon started, rather than that opinions changed naturally with time. I agree with what Tre said in one of the recent interviews - that time will likely be kind to the trilogy. Maybe in 10 years people won't see it so negatively.

Well, Uno was only out for two days before Billie went to rehab, so that definitely cast a shadow over the entire set of albums. But I think you and Tre are both right that time will be kind to the trilogy—there is SO much great material on those three albums, some of which are some of their best songs I think they've ever written. There aren't just gems mixed in, but absolutely beautiful songs (Brutal Love is probably my favorite song, period). I think time and space is almost required with those albums, though, to appreciate the best of it and accept the not-so-great bits, and let the music be a bit removed from the emotions so many of us were caught up in during that period. The trilogy paints a very clear picture of where the band was at during that point in their personal and professional lives, and it's not always pretty. But there's also a lot of greatness mixed in there.

@MysticManiac I posted a link to screenshots of that interview under Green Day News yesterday, I believe.

[Thatsername]

40 minutes ago, Maria Gloria said:

I think it's more that opinions of the trilogy changed after the rehab mess and a hate bandwagon started, rather than that opinions changed naturally with time. I agree with what Tre said in one of the recent interviews - that time will likely be kind to the trilogy. Maybe in 10 years people won't see it so negatively.

Then I really hope Tré can convince the other 2 guys of that. Maybe they will put trilogy songs back on the setlist one day. I mean, I really do understand that they want to look and move forward now and that the trilogy-stuff reminds them of all the bad times. I feel the same way, but at the same time, there are outstanding songs like Lazy Bones, Brutal Love or Stray Heart that deserve to be loved and honored. I really hope that they (and the fans) will make peace with the trilogy one day.

[Christian's Inferno!]

7 minutes ago, MMwhatsername said:

Then I really hope Tré can convince the other 2 guys of that. Maybe they will put trilogy songs back on the setlist one day. I mean, I really do understand that they want to look and move forward now and that the trilogy-stuff reminds them of all the bad times. I feel the same way, but at the same time, there are outstanding songs like Lazy Bones, Brutal Love or Stray Heart that deserve to be loved and honored. I really hope that they (and the fans) will make peace with the trilogy one day.

I feel like they might go back to the trilogy in the future as opposed to right now in this tour. I'm sure they'll still play a few songs during this tour, just not much. But the trilogy isn't the only album which doesn't get played. I've noticed that songs from Insomniac and 1,039/SOSH probably get played the least. 1,039 I can understand but Insomniac while it wasn't as big as Dookie, was still quite big

[solongfromthestars]

12 minutes ago, MMwhatsername said:

Then I really hope Tré can convince the other 2 guys of that. Maybe they will put trilogy songs back on the setlist one day. I mean, I really do understand that they want to look and move forward now and that the trilogy-stuff reminds them of all the bad times. I feel the same way, but at the same time, there are outstanding songs like Lazy Bones, Brutal Love or Stray Heart that deserve to be loved and honored. I really hope that they (and the fans) will make peace with the trilogy one day.

I think they will. Billie has said a few times that he's proud of it and there are great songs on there, so I don't get the impression he feels super negatively towards it, just that he wishes it had gone differently. I hope so anyway, so many of these songs deserve to be played live.

[Steven Seagull]

I always liked the Trilogy and I always will. One of their best albums. 

Can't say the same about RevRad

[Christian's Inferno!]

1 hour ago, Steven Seagull said:

I always like the Trilogy and I always will. One of their best albums. 

Can't say the same about RevRad

Wow. I had no idea. This is news to me

[DookieLukie]

Still fondly remember hearing the Canadian leak and listening to Brutal Love. Man, that song gave me chills.

[heeygloria]

I went from loving the trilogy, to hating it, to loving it, and so on and so forth for so long.

there are so many incredible songs over those three albums, lazy bones, nuclear family, the forgotten, missing you, rusty james, and so many more. 

but i think the fluctuation between loving and hating the albums is the struggle between "these songs are incredible for so many reasons" and "these songs remind me/others of some really awful times regarding a band that has touched us so deeply"

i hope what Tre has said that time will be kind to the trilogy is true, i never got to see any of those songs live, and i'd definitely love to one day.