Trilogy Discussion

[Eric]

30 minutes ago, Veganpunk said:

I'm a longtime fan, (Dookie on cassette, 1994) and I love the Trilogy.  When Green Day has released an album, post Dookie, it's usually something new, and different. (Kinda reminds me of when Warning came out, and the mainstream flipped their shit) Besides the blatant trying to capture lightning in a bottle a second time (21st copying AI) every GD album is vastly different than the last.  I remember this board around the release of Uno, everyone was in love.  (Yes, opinions change, and blah blah blah, but still, the hype was real.)  I think there were too many people expecting the next AI (not necessarily die hard fans like on this board, but the general public), and the Trilogy could not possibly live up to that.  It was Green Day, fucking around, having fun.  Poor single choice, (Oh Love is one of my least favorite GD songs, and a horrible lead single), dead marketing due to iHeart (which was stupid, I thought it was pretty fucking great what he did), and too many songs to digest in a short period (kids now days have short attention spans, and can barely handle an entire record, let alone three) killed the sales.  

Sales don't mean shit to me though, so lets talk music.  (Sorry, I stopped coming to this site shorty after Dos was released, so I haven't seen the "many" discussions on the Trilogy) For reference, I'll rank my favorite GD albums, best to least favorite.

1. Insomniac

2. Kerplunk

3. Nimrod

4. American Idiot

5. Dookie

6. Warning

7. Dos

8. 39 Smooth

9. Uno

10. 21st Century Breakdown

11. Tre

Yes, the three albums rank pretty low on my list, Tre being my least favorite Green Day album, but they are still pretty damn good, Dos being my favorite of the three.  The music on that album is amazing, and way underrated.  It's just a fun record.  Lady Cobra, Makeout Party, Wow! That's Loud, Stray Heart.  The lyrics are cheesy, but that's kinda what they were going for?  I'm not sure why so many people missed that point.  Uno is damn good except for Oh Love.  So many great pop punk tunes on that one. Tre has too many missteps for my liking.  I'm not a fan of Brutal Love, 99 Revolutions, and a handful of others on that one.

Uno and Dos felt tight, focused, concise, flowing throughout, each with a general theme and fill, whereas Tre felt jumbled up, more like left overs, random songs thrown together at the end.  There are some great songs on that record, X-Kid, Dirty Rotten Bastards, 8th Ave., but overall, I just didn't care for it.  

I disagree that it was too much though.  I still play all three of those records, and have a blast with them.  If you think you can pick and choose a shorter track list with the best, than by all means, go make a playlist.  Again, I'm old, and much prefer an album as a whole piece, and having three GD albums drop in quick succession was amazing.

I'm excited for Revolution Radio though.  Bang Bang is fucking amazing, and can't wait to hear the rest.

tldr: The Trilogy kicks ass, suck it.

 

 

 

I agree with your list, Not that I would personally pick it the exact way, but I would put the trilogy at the bottom of such an amazing discography. I love it too. Poor single choice yes, but I believe those songs are great and fun to hear still til this day, I just never understood why we couldn't like it but understand they have done way better. You will always find me praising these albums around the site. Very underrated but yeah we know Green Day put out way better material. Having such an extreme standard for music and taking things so seriously like I dont know. That is not me and I learn this overtime to Loosen up and just enjoy or appreciate music for what it is at times!

14 minutes ago, Veganpunk said:

California was a comeback for them.  I love me some Skiba.  Mind you, that was before the Bouncing Souls and the Descendents came out.  It was more of a it was the only good thing so far this year.  I'm stoked for the new Menzingers though.  That first single is the shit.  And there is a no NoFx coming out.... on Oct. 7th.  LMAO

Yeah saying that about Blink is were I draw the line I can't agree there. I like so much other stuff so there many other things for me to call aoty but I dont think I need to go there. I respect what your opinion tho!  

 

[Hermione]

1 hour ago, Justin1 said:

This made me chuckle. I'm a little perturbed as to why you'd write a love letter for the trilogy, then rank the albums with all of the trilogy albums in your bottom half (including two in your bottom three). I guess you really love all the Green Day albums lol 🙃

I can relate to that, I'd rank Warning, Kerplunk and 39/Smooth at the bottom but I'd still write a love letter to any of them  

[DookieLukie]

I think the Trilogy succeeded in trying to be ambitious and experimental. I mean, the whole project has a distinct sound and feel unlike any other Green Day music. It's very light-hearted and glossy, which can be a bad thing, but it was a new musical direction and is unique in their discography.

Seems like we've quickly forgotten all the great things the Trilogy albums brought us. Nuclear Family and Stay the Night are solid pop punk songs. Kill the DJ is a great dance/punk song that's funny and funky. Oh Love is a slow rocker with a great solo. Lazy Bones is a great song, Wild One and Wow! That's Loud have some amazing instrumental work, and Amy is a very heartful song with great vocals and fingerpicking guitar. Then we have Brutal Love which is a standout song overall for Green Day and Missing You and X-Kid which are catchy pop-punk songs. Lots of good stuff in there.

[Kaddi.]

39 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

I think the Trilogy succeeded in trying to be ambitious and experimental. I mean, the whole project has a distinct sound and feel unlike any other Green Day music. It's very light-hearted and glossy, which can be a bad thing, but it was a new musical direction and is unique in their discography.

Seems like we've quickly forgotten all the great things the Trilogy albums brought us. Nuclear Family and Stay the Night are solid pop punk songs. Kill the DJ is a great dance/punk song that's funny and funky. Oh Love is a slow rocker with a great solo. Lazy Bones is a great song, Wild One and Wow! That's Loud have some amazing instrumental work, and Amy is a very heartful song with great vocals and fingerpicking guitar. Then we have Brutal Love which is a standout song overall for Green Day and Missing You and X-Kid which are catchy pop-punk songs. Lots of good stuff in there.

It's true that there are some good songs on the Trilogy (Nuclear Family, Lazy Bones, Brutal Love), but there are not enough good songs to make three good albums. They should have made one solid album. It would probably still not be one of my favorites, because I'm not a big fan of the style, but at least it would have been an album full of good songs.

[Eric]

7 minutes ago, Kaddi. said:

It's true that there are some good songs on the Trilogy (Nuclear Family, Lazy Bones, Brutal Love), but there are not enough good songs to make three good albums. They should have made one solid album. It would probably still not be one of my favorites, because I'm not a big fan of the style, but at least it would have been an album full of good songs.

but we got 3 albums of good songs.

[Kaddi.]

Just now, Eric said:

but we got 3 albums of good songs.

No, we got 3 albums full of mediocre or bad songs with a few good songs inbetween.

[Eric]

3 minutes ago, Kaddi. said:

No, we got 3 albums full of mediocre or bad songs with a few good songs inbetween.

Sorry you feel that way

[Steven Seagull]

12 minutes ago, Eric said:

but we got 3 albums of good songs.

Exactly 

[Kaddi.]

13 minutes ago, Eric said:

Sorry you feel that way

No need to be sorry, there are plenty of better GD albums to listen to.

[Beerjeezus]

I have a lot of respect for the way BJ talks about the trilogy. Publicly admitting its flaws is quite a brave move, I mean many people would stand their ground and said they're satisfied with it instead. 

[LaughingClock]

6 hours ago, Veganpunk said:

I'm a longtime fan, (Dookie on cassette, 1994) and I love the Trilogy.  When Green Day has released an album, post Dookie, it's usually something new, and different. (Kinda reminds me of when Warning came out, and the mainstream flipped their shit) Besides the blatant trying to capture lightning in a bottle a second time (21st copying AI) every GD album is vastly different than the last.  I remember this board around the release of Uno, everyone was in love.  (Yes, opinions change, and blah blah blah, but still, the hype was real.)  I think there were too many people expecting the next AI (not necessarily die hard fans like on this board, but the general public), and the Trilogy could not possibly live up to that.  It was Green Day, fucking around, having fun.  Poor single choice, (Oh Love is one of my least favorite GD songs, and a horrible lead single), dead marketing due to iHeart (which was stupid, I thought it was pretty fucking great what he did), and too many songs to digest in a short period (kids now days have short attention spans, and can barely handle an entire record, let alone three) killed the sales.  

Sales don't mean shit to me though, so lets talk music.  (Sorry, I stopped coming to this site shorty after Dos was released, so I haven't seen the "many" discussions on the Trilogy) For reference, I'll rank my favorite GD albums, best to least favorite.

1. Insomniac

2. Kerplunk

3. Nimrod

4. American Idiot

5. Dookie

6. Warning

7. Dos

8. 39 Smooth

9. Uno

10. 21st Century Breakdown

11. Tre

Yes, the three albums rank pretty low on my list, Tre being my least favorite Green Day album, but they are still pretty damn good, Dos being my favorite of the three.  The music on that album is amazing, and way underrated.  It's just a fun record.  Lady Cobra, Makeout Party, Wow! That's Loud, Stray Heart.  The lyrics are cheesy, but that's kinda what they were going for?  I'm not sure why so many people missed that point.  Uno is damn good except for Oh Love.  So many great pop punk tunes on that one. Tre has too many missteps for my liking.  I'm not a fan of Brutal Love, 99 Revolutions, and a handful of others on that one.

Uno and Dos felt tight, focused, concise, flowing throughout, each with a general theme and fill, whereas Tre felt jumbled up, more like left overs, random songs thrown together at the end.  There are some great songs on that record, X-Kid, Dirty Rotten Bastards, 8th Ave., but overall, I just didn't care for it.  

I disagree that it was too much though.  I still play all three of those records, and have a blast with them.  If you think you can pick and choose a shorter track list with the best, than by all means, go make a playlist.  Again, I'm old, and much prefer an album as a whole piece, and having three GD albums drop in quick succession was amazing.

I'm excited for Revolution Radio though.  Bang Bang is fucking amazing, and can't wait to hear the rest.

tldr: The Trilogy kicks ass, suck it.

 

 

 

I have NEVER so strongly agreed and disagreed with multiple things.

Great post though.

I don't really like ranking their albums because it has changed at different times of my life but I will say that as I got older, I started to enjoy their more melodic stuff.

Don't get me wrong, i'm still a pit pusher, and I rock out when I go to shows, but just listening in the car, I'll take a nice East Jesus Nowhere over Longview.  Pretty much every song on Dookie, I can't listen to anymore but FOD. Just have heard it SOOOOOO many times.

I'm in the school that AI is their masterpiece but my favorite songs are all over the place.  I also love TCB.  I just love the lyrics, harmony and music. I think it will be considered their golden age.

It's easy to forget that Billie is pushing towards 50 and he is still writing and making great music with the same band.

Yes, The Rolling Stones, and bands like Waters, Mccartney and once Bowie were playing out and putting on amazing shows but they haven't made a good record in decades.
Finally, I don't think there is as much difference between each album as you are purporting. It is my opinion that there is at least one song on every album that would fit on any other album.   Green Day sounds like Green Day to me.  Very distinct and not very variable but still the best rocking band IMO.

[DookieLukie]

8 hours ago, Kaddi. said:

It's true that there are some good songs on the Trilogy (Nuclear Family, Lazy Bones, Brutal Love), but there are not enough good songs to make three good albums. They should have made one solid album. It would probably still not be one of my favorites, because I'm not a big fan of the style, but at least it would have been an album full of good songs.

Yeah but they had a clear goal and one album wasn't the goal. The good songs wouldn't make a good album because they don't all fit together under one album style/tone, really. It would be like a Greatest Hits album.

[That Dude]

18 hours ago, J a c said:

I agree, I felt in love with the three records when they came out, most of the tracks have been an amazing soundtrack of my life for at least two years, and those songs played live gave me very positive feelings during the last tour. I have to admit that in the last one/two years I generally preferred to relisten other GD records than the Trilogy, but I still think it is a very good project, many times mistreated. 

We tend to associate certain songs and albums with what is going on in life I think.   For me the Trilogy came out while I was going through a divorce, so it will always bring back those memories for me.  The divorce wasn't messy and we are still friends today, so it's not entirely a bad thing.  That's just what I was going through in life.   As far as bad times, American Idiot is my favorite album but my life around that time was......really screwed up.   I related to American Idiot waay more than I like to admit.    I know I'm not the only one but I deeply, deeply relate to Green Day's music.   

[solongfromthestars]

I've said this many times, but I do really, really like the trilogy. I'm not saying it's the best thing they've ever done, but there are some brilliant songs on it and I don't dislike the lower quality songs as much as some people do. I enjoy listening to it all together and think it can be interpreted as a story without forcing that - not that they're concept albums, but definitely a vague and perhaps unintentional story, as Billie said in Cuatro. I also genuinely believe that along with rehab, the hate bandwagon had an influence on peoples' opinions without them meaning it to. I know a few people who've said they liked it and then were put off it by the hate. Not saying that was the case with everyone, but I don't think we can deny it had an impact.

Anyway, I'm glad Billie has been talking about it openly and honestly but without totally disowning it. It's a real shame that it ended up becoming forced after how excited they were at first, because I don't think it initially was, but I get how it ended up that way with his situation and them wanting to get the music out there. I know a lot of people will take his quote about it having no direction as brushing it all off as shit, but I don't think that is what he's saying - he's admitting it became that way so the process wasn't quite what it should have been, which I have a lot of respect for. I was happy he said that if he could go back he'd still do it and that there are great songs on there, because it'd be really sad if they felt nothing good came out of it at all.

Regardless of its flaws and how it ended up going wrong, I think most of us can agree we got at least a few songs we love out of it, a great tour and that any mistakes they made won't happen again.

[Second favourite son]

20 hours ago, thatdude03 said:

We tend to associate certain songs and albums with what is going on in life I think.   For me the Trilogy came out while I was going through a divorce, so it will always bring back those memories for me.  The divorce wasn't messy and we are still friends today, so it's not entirely a bad thing.  That's just what I was going through in life.   As far as bad times, American Idiot is my favorite album but my life around that time was......really screwed up.   I related to American Idiot waay more than I like to admit.    I know I'm not the only one but I deeply, deeply relate to Green Day's music.   

I definitely agree with this.  At the time of Uno, I was comfortably single and just starting my A levels at school.  The day Dos came out was the day I started a relationship, and that relationship ended not long after Tre.  So for those reasons, I really get the 'journey' feeling of the trilogy.  It wasn't a long or complex relationship, but it was my first, which maybe makes me feel it even more strongly.  Uno was also the first green day album that was released while I was a fan, so when I listen to it after a while I get that same excited feeling I got when I first heard the songs (Rusty James especially).  

I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again: I really like the trilogy, but it definitely wasn't as good as it could have been.  It's given me some of my favourite songs of all time, and some of my least favourite (green day songs).  There has, however, been a moment where I've wanted to listen, and enjoyed listening to, each and every song on all three of those albums.  I might not ordinarily stick on makeout party or Angel Blue, but there have been days that I've listened to nothing but those songs.  That, I think, is testament to how relatable Green Day's music is - there's something for every mood that you're in, at whatever stage of your journey you may be.  I think some of the critics just haven't listened to enough of the albums enough times to be able to form that relationship with the songs (especially some of the dos songs which are harder to relate to), and a song will always seem worse if it means nothing to you.  For me, the trilogy was my soundtrack to the six months following September 2012, and that also happened to be a time when I developed a lot as a person and had many new experiences, in my academic, personal and social lives.  I can relate every song in some way to parts of that journey, and that made the albums as a whole more personal and enjoyable for me.  I still don't like every song, and I still have my hands-down favourites, but I can't imagine how I'd feel if the songs were unrelatable, impersonal or taken out of any personal context.  

[.Holly]

Whilst I recognise that they weren't the band's strongest albums ever, I still love the trilogy. Uno is probably my favourite, there are some great tracks on there: Stay the Night, Kill the DJ, Fell for you, Angel Blue and Rusty James are awesome. I really like the fast paced nature of most of the songs on Dos, it think it's great when you just want something a bit loud, so SWTRLF, make out party, Ashley, Lady Cobra and Wow! that's loud are stand out tracks for me. The only track on Dos I really dislike Wild One, I just find it so boring. And as someone mentioned, Tre has some really great songs: 8th AvS, X-Kid, Little boy named train, Walkaway and DRB. I think these are fantastic tracks.

 

I think I remember someone saying a while ago that Warning got a lot of stick when it first came out, but now people kind of look at it as a breath of fresh air compared to the serious nature of AI and 21CB that came after. I love that there's a lighter album in amongst everything else they've done. It explores a different sound to what I would consider typical Green Day, and I think it works great. I hope people will come to view the trilogy as that too, I think Uno in particular has the potential to fill that roll. 

 

I also deeply relate to a lot of Green Day's music. When I was 14 I just liked the sound, but as I've grown up I have found a lot of meaning in their lyrics and it's probably the main reason that I still listen to them so often. In life their are hard times, but there are also better times, so I like that there are a mix of serious and non serious albums. The album that I relate most to depends on my situation at the time. I don't think I'd like it if they put out deep and meaningful stuff all the time, sometimes you just need to kick back and have fun, and for me that's what the trilogy represents.

[Stefano Bras]

It's great to read all these good comments and experiences you guys have with the trilogy, it's very reassuring.

[Stefano Bras]

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So.. I've been re-listening the Trilogy lately and god damn I have some genuinely serious questions for you guys.

1. Why all the hate on Wild One? Even people that enjoy the trilogy claim Wild One is very boring and too long, and as a big fan on Green Day's love songs (AKA Last Night On Earth, 80, Redundant) I absolutely love Wild One, and I find that soothing feeling LNOE brings in Wild One.

2. Why does everyone keep on saying the line "She's old enough to bleed now" on Drama Queen is about the girl being on her period? For fuck's sake. I think is more than obvious that Billie's referring to the girl being all grown up now and once she left her innocence and naïveté behind, she's gonna be able to feel pain and be hurt.

3. Am I the only one bothered that Nuclear Family has absolutely no meaning? I enjoy the song and think it's a fantastic opener for the trilogy, but holy shit. I think I can't think of a single Green Day song that has absolutely no meaning other than Nuclear Family, I guess the song comes across as soulless without a meaning behind it.

4. Why are people so negative about songs like Makeout Party and Fuck Time and the general theme of sex around ¡DOS! ?, like I can totally see myself being on my 40s and still being able to talk about sex just like my current self, I think people are just weirded out and it's very stupid. (Btw, Makeout Party is a BANGER, I don't get why some people dislike it).

5. Since Bang Bang got released, most people have been saying that is 10 x better than Oh Love as a lead single (I agree), but thanks to this I think people are appreciating even less the good song Oh Love truly is. I'm sure that if it weren't for Billie Joe's meltdown and Rehab situation, the trilogy would've been successful and (I bet my bollocks that) Oh Love would have been a Green Day classic just like Know Your Enemy or Holiday.

6. And finally... The Forgotten. I have never been nuts for this song, but now that I have listening to it more times, it really has growned on me. I believe it's a beautiful song and I think I know why most people (including me) dislike it or just didn't payed more attention to it..... Twilight.

[Christian's Inferno!]

37 minutes ago, Stefano Bras said:

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So.. I've been re-listening the Trilogy lately and god damn I have some genuinely serious questions for you guys.

1. Why all the hate on Wild One? Even people that enjoy the trilogy claim Wild One is very boring and too long, and as a big fan on Green Day's love songs (AKA Last Night On Earth, 80, Redundant) I absolutely love Wild One, and I find that soothing feeling LNOE brings in Wild One.

2. Why does everyone keep on saying the line "She's old enough to bleed now" on Drama Queen is about the girl being on her period? For fuck's sake. I think is more than obvious that Billie's referring to the girl being all grown up now and once she left her innocence and naïveté behind, she's gonna be able to feel pain and be hurt.

3. Am I the only one bothered that Nuclear Family has absolutely no meaning? I enjoy the song and think it's a fantastic opener for the trilogy, but holy shit. I think I can't think of a single Green Day song that has absolutely no meaning other than Nuclear Family, I guess the song comes across as soulless without a meaning behind it.

4. Why are people so negative about songs like Makeout Party and Fuck Time and the general theme of sex around ¡DOS! ?, like I can totally see myself being on my 40s and still being able to talk about sex just like my current self, I think people are just weirded out and it's very stupid. (Btw, Makeout Party is a BANGER, I don't get why some people dislike it).

5. Since Bang Bang got released, most people have been saying that is 10 x better than Oh Love as a lead single (I agree), but thanks to this I think people are appreciating even less the good song Oh Love truly is. I'm sure that if it weren't for Billie Joe's meltdown and Rehab situation, the trilogy would've been successful and (I bet my bollocks that) Oh Love would have been a Green Day classic just like Know Your Enemy or Holiday.

6. And finally... The Forgotten. I have never been nuts for this song, but now that I have listening to it more times, it really has growned on me. I believe it's a beautiful song and I think I know why most people (including me) dislike it or just didn't payed more attention to it..... Twilight.

1. I think people's problem with it is mainly the fact that it comes between Lazy Bones and Makeout Party, two fast paced songs on the album. If it was at the start with See You Tonight or the end with Amy, people might have liked it more

2. Well it does make people think of that. It's obvious that's not what it's really about though. But Drama Queen is probably my least favourite song of the trilogy

3. BJ actually said in an interview about Nuclear Family "I just write this shit, man. I don't even know what the fuck it means sometimes" LOL

4. Yeah idk either. It'd be weirder if he was still singing about Masturbation

5. I love Oh Love. It's a great song and it was doing great up until iHeartRadio. It's a shame because it could've been great

6. Well I like it but it wouldn't be my favourite trilogy song and the fact that it's on Twilight definetely doesn't help. What's funny is that BJ has said in interviews that Twilight sucks and they have a song on it lol

[Hermione]

Drama Queen was originally going to be on 21st CB and according to what Billie said about it at that time it's about how young female celebrities are exploited by their families and the media. I think that line refers to being literally "old enough to bleed" as in starting periods as a metaphor for being old enough to be exploited by everyone who has a stake in her fame (and possibly like you say being old enough to suffer etc). It's metaphorical but it's still legit to say it relates to periods, pretty sure it's supposed to make you think of them. I think the whole line "daddy's little bundle of joy......she's old enough to bleed now" is deliberately meant to sound creepy to reflect the creepiness of how these young celebrities are treated.

And I agree about 1 and 4 haha

[solongfromthestars]

I love Wild One and don't get the hate either. It's not a song I listen to all the time but I enjoy it when I do, and I think the lyrics are really decent. In general I never got the assumption that the lyrics are all dishonest and meaningless - some obviously don't mean much, but the love songs especially are very sensitive and I'd be surprised if Billie ever said they mean nothing. Maybe it's because he never got the chance to talk more about the lyrics, so we don't know who they're about or in what context. I liked that in a way though, it left them all really open to interpretation from the beginning, instead of thinking "oh this is about Billie and that person". Maybe it's also because the longing in songs like Stray Heart and 8th Ave Serenade is masked by upbeat tunes and/or what people thought was mediocre music. I don't know, but I never got that impression to the extent others did and I've always been able to relate to a lot of it.

I've never been sure if Nuclear Family does have no meaning or if Billie just said that because he couldn't think how to explain its vague concept, or couldn't be bothered to, haha. Maybe it really does since he's now said the process became forced, but either way I think it's possible to interpret it in a few different ways.

Melissa Webster who was a member here wrote some interesting interpretations of the trilogy (Uno, Dos, Tre) on Huffington Post. I don't interpret all of it in the same way she does, but they're a good read and might (or might not) be interesting for people who are interested in a potential story or people who don't see any meaning.

[That Dude]

7 hours ago, Second favourite son said:

I definitely agree with this.  At the time of Uno, I was comfortably single and just starting my A levels at school.  The day Dos came out was the day I started a relationship, and that relationship ended not long after Tre.  So for those reasons, I really get the 'journey' feeling of the trilogy.  It wasn't a long or complex relationship, but it was my first, which maybe makes me feel it even more strongly.  Uno was also the first green day album that was released while I was a fan, so when I listen to it after a while I get that same excited feeling I got when I first heard the songs (Rusty James especially).  

I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again: I really like the trilogy, but it definitely wasn't as good as it could have been.  It's given me some of my favourite songs of all time, and some of my least favourite (green day songs).  There has, however, been a moment where I've wanted to listen, and enjoyed listening to, each and every song on all three of those albums.  I might not ordinarily stick on makeout party or Angel Blue, but there have been days that I've listened to nothing but those songs.  That, I think, is testament to how relatable Green Day's music is - there's something for every mood that you're in, at whatever stage of your journey you may be.  I think some of the critics just haven't listened to enough of the albums enough times to be able to form that relationship with the songs (especially some of the dos songs which are harder to relate to), and a song will always seem worse if it means nothing to you.  For me, the trilogy was my soundtrack to the six months following September 2012, and that also happened to be a time when I developed a lot as a person and had many new experiences, in my academic, personal and social lives.  I can relate every song in some way to parts of that journey, and that made the albums as a whole more personal and enjoyable for me.  I still don't like every song, and I still have my hands-down favourites, but I can't imagine how I'd feel if the songs were unrelatable, impersonal or taken out of any personal context.  

I think even at his worst, Billie Joe knows how to write great emotional songs, so while he may have been a 'disaster' while making those records, he was producing good material.   So the public couldn't digest all of it, too bad for them.   

[Mrorivaldo]

The trilogy is a middle-age crises album. I wonder if Billie Joe had a real crush in Lady Cobra.

PS: the bass line of F*ck time remember me of Tintarella di Luna... is there a plagiarism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPgybbpp-dM

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

7 minutes ago, Mrorivaldo said:

The trilogy is a middle-age crises album. I wonder if Billie Joe had a real crush in Lady Cobra.

He wrote a lot of songs that indicate or suggest cheating or an affair etc not least of which is obviously Stray Heart which became a single (but there were many on the trilogy). Why does everyone get hung up on the idea that he cheated with the one female he happened to duet with? So odd. He could have been having one night stands with all of the United States  Of course people physically SEE Lady Cobra and assume the worst  Honestly you should probably be more concerned with his wearing a badge that reads "All American cock sucker"  

[Beerjeezus]

9 hours ago, Mrorivaldo said:

The trilogy is a middle-age crises album. I wonder if Billie Joe had a real crush in Lady Cobra.

PS: the bass line of F*ck time remember me of Tintarella di Luna... is there a plagiarism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPgybbpp-dM

He did have a one night stand with her, it's known as Nightlife. I prefered when he had an affair with Norah Jones, though.