Popular Post Red Posted August 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2016 21 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: 21CB sound was not good at all. So much static and stupid effects that you don't need. If we're talking about their best sound it's something of a mix between Kerplunk and Dookie. Also the vocals were the best on those two albums. And your opinion is fine, but it's still your opinion. I prefer the AI/21CB era because it just sounded like a more ambitious, natural evolution of the band and the harmonies and instruments sounded incredible. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 15 hours ago, RisingRedWolf said: And your opinion is fine, but it's still your opinion. I prefer the AI/21CB era because it just sounded like a more ambitious, natural evolution of the band and the harmonies and instruments sounded incredible. I've been listening to Breakdown today and it's a really great album. I had almost forgot how freaking good it is. I've listened to Dookie, Warning, Nimrod while driving lately and they are all so good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, thatdude03 said: I've been listening to Breakdown today and it's a really great album. So have I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, thatdude03 said: I've been listening to Breakdown today and it's a really great album. I had almost forgot how freaking good it is. I've listened to Dookie, Warning, Nimrod while driving lately and they are all so good. Yeah I still really love all those albums, Scattered is one of my all time favorite songs period. I've also really been into Insomniac lately too, and with the band recently returning to that big guitar sound, its made me appreciate them even more. AI and 21CB hold a very special place in my heart though and they are by far my favorite albums of all time. I'm really hoping RevRad will join them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stories and songs Posted August 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, thatdude03 said: I've been listening to Breakdown today and it's a really great album. I had almost forgot how freaking good it is. I've listened to Dookie, Warning, Nimrod while driving lately and they are all so good. 21CB is, in my opinion, wildly under appreciated. It's one of my favorite albums of theirs, if not my very favorite. I know American Idiot tells a more linear story, but there's something about 21CB that is truly an EXPERIENCE when listening to it front to back in one sitting. It's diverse, it's fun, and features some really clever writing. The way the album starts off with Christian raging that people need to "know your enemy," only to later realize in Restless Heart Syndrome that he is his own worst enemy? Wow wow wow. The line "You are your own worst enemy...know your enemy" before the guitars kick in gives me chills every time. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJennsitized Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 I know this thread is about the trilogy but I just wanted to add that I adore 21CB. It's probably my favourite album - it was the first era I really experienced as a fan, I was in a good place at the time and I loved how flourishy and ambitious it was. I also saw them live for the first time during that era and their Rock Band thingy came out then too. I miss 2009. The trilogy I think leaves a bad taste because we now know they weren't in a particularly good place at the time. I still like a lot of songs from it though! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thatsername Posted August 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2016 I re-watched Quatro yesterday after reading the new Kerrang-interview, and somehow it made me sad. I've always liked the trilogy, at least most parts of it, and some songs even turned into some of my favourites (e.g.Brutal Love, Lazy Bones, DRB, X-Kid). But watching Quatro just made it so obvious that they tried so hard to turn the trilogy into something it never became. It was supposed to be a relief from the heaviness of AI and 21CBD, but eventually turned out to be a burden. I mean, everything that could go wrong went wrong, and that's not only because of Billie's iHeartRadio meltdown. Something felt wrong from the very start when they announced those three albums. I loved their idea of playing new songs in small clubs, like a young band that has to convince the audience and find itself (they describe it like this in Quatro). But something went very wrong there, too, the pressure and the expectations were too high. A burden, again. Remember when in one of their clubs shows from 2011 fans demanded old GD songs, and Billie said something like: "No, we're only playing new stuff. Forget the past, think about now and think about the future, that's all you have to care about." And now in the Kerrang interview, they say that this was exactly the thing they had never done, although they needed it so badly: pausing for a moment and looking back instead of always running straightforward, faster and faster. Maybe my emotions get mixed up a little because when the trilogy came out, I went through a very tough time, I was severely sick back then. So I think listening to trilogy-songs will always leave a slightly bad taste in my mouth, maybe because of my personal experience, maybe because of the trilogy-release that turned into a nightmare, or maybe both. But we have something to look forward to now, and I feel like it's something big Still hoping the setlist will contain some trilogy-songs; Brutal Love is a killer live and I also loved Oh Love and Let Yourself Go on their 2013 tour Sorry if this was a bit confusing. Just had a feeling that it had to come out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Trilogy was the best thing they made since warning. What are you talking about? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stories and songs Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 1 hour ago, MMwhatsername said: Maybe my emotions get mixed up a little because when the trilogy came out, I went through a very tough time, I was severely sick back then. So I think listening to trilogy-songs will always leave a slightly bad taste in my mouth, maybe because of my personal experience, maybe because of the trilogy-release that turned into a nightmare, or maybe both. I feel the same way. My mom got very sick right around the time the trilogy came out, and it was a pretty difficult time for me. Between my personal issues and the band's issues that came to light, I was a bit of a mess (and I'm not a messy person in general, lol). I think it was particularly hard because Green Day had ALWAYS been there for me when I was going through a hard time, and this time, when I needed them the most, they were only adding to my stress and worry. I know this sounds silly and selfish to say, but at the time I think I resented them a bit for making my life even darker when they were supposed to be my bright spot. But in the end, I learned that I needed to work more on creating my own happiness and drawing strength from within, which at 19 is indeed important to realize. It's difficult for me to divorce everything I was feeling at that time from the songs themselves. And yet, Brutal Love is in my mind one of the best songs they've ever written. I know it's probably not a time they want to revisit too much, but I do hope they hang on to some of the highlights, because there are some spectacular gems in there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 On 16/8/2016 at 6:12 AM, Steven Seagull said: 21CB sound was not good at all. So much static and stupid effects that you don't need. If we're talking about their best sound it's something of a mix between Kerplunk and Dookie. Also the vocals were the best on those two albums. You're completely mad. Kerplunk is a hell of an album, but the quality of the vocals is shit compared to the likes of American Idiot or 21CB. I've always felt that the guitar,the bass and the drums were too overwhelming and the vocals got drowned in Kerplunk, they never stand out. I know you like to be the minority in everything n shit, but this is just stupid hahaha, you can't compare Kerplunk's vocals quality with post 2000 Green Day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 1 minute ago, StefanoBras said: You're completely mad. Kerplunk is a hell of an album, but the quality of the vocals is shit compared to the likes of American Idiot or 21CB. I've always felt that the guitar,the bass and the drums were too overwhelming and the vocals got drowned in Kerplunk. I know you like to be the minority in everything n shit, but this is just stupid hahaha, you can't compare Kerplunk's vocals quality with post 2000 Green Day. Those vocals are raw and sound like a punk rock band. AI and 21CB vocals are just so lame and overproduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Clayish Posted August 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2016 28 minutes ago, StefanoBras said: You're completely mad. Kerplunk is a hell of an album, but the quality of the vocals is shit compared to the likes of American Idiot or 21CB. I've always felt that the guitar,the bass and the drums were too overwhelming and the vocals got drowned in Kerplunk, they never stand out. I know you like to be the minority in everything n shit, but this is just stupid hahaha, you can't compare Kerplunk's vocals quality with post 2000 Green Day. Most delusional poster on this forum. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, Clayish said: Most delusional poster on this forum. At this point, I can't believe his serious. Must be trolling or something. I mean, I love early Green Day. Paper Lanterns, 80, 1000 Hours.. those are my jams, but it's a fact that the quality in AI and 21CB (and at some stages, even the trilogy) it's far better than those early releases. In every aspect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 58 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: Those vocals are raw and sound like a punk rock band. AI and 21CB vocals are just so lame and overproduced. The trilogy is way more overproduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 AI, 21CB "quality", ???, ok When you are talking about that signature Green Day sound no one will mention AI, like EVER. You can make sound super nice but it's the rawnes of their early records what Green Day is. Trilogy and its production fit great together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mato Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Hahah and once again the ''overproduced''' nonsence starts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJennsitized Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said: AI, 21CB "quality", ???, ok When you are talking about that signature Green Day sound no one will mention AI, like EVER. You can make sound super nice but it's the rawnes of their early records what Green Day is. Trilogy and it's production fit great together. I'm literally crying with laughter now. Yes, you're right, no one will mention Green Day's best selling album after Dookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 42 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: The trilogy is way more overproduced Actually NO it's not... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mato Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 ACTUALLY, the real 'rawness' can only be heard on the first two records, which was also result of low budget the band had at the time. Dookie was polished, and so were the next albums from that point on. There will always be purists, which is totally ok, but there are also a lot of assholes among them, who are just babbling about the same fucking thing all the time, whose 'arguments' can't really be taken seriously if you look at them from a logical and wider, objective point of view (which avoids personal favorism of albums). Also, a lot of these fans who preach 'rawness' and first records, became fans maybe a couple of years ago, whose first GD music they heard was trilogy or Breakdown. I guess some of them have a complex of sort, so they need to prove their 'real' fan status to I don't even know who, by saying old school music is better than new or whatever. I don't know, it's really dumb and pointless. Also, at least some musical and producing knowledge would be desirable in pointless shit talk about term that doesn't exist - overproduced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Not at all. If you're not tone deaf you can hear why the early records are so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 42 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: Actually NO it's not... Well it sounds more overproduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenXIdiot Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 No it's underproduced but the vocals sound over produced with the high pass and compression. There's still some great songs on the Trilogy, I hope we get to hear a few on the tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mato Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm not sure some of you get the meaning of 'tone deaf' - it concerns tones, tonality and abillity to distinguish them (even better, sing them) But i guess, after reading that early records sound better, a term 'production quality deaf' would be more appropriate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudley dawson Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm a big fan of the trilogy. Yes, it has problems (Nightlife) but it also has some of the best songs of GD's career (Sweet 16, X-Kid, 8th Ave Serenade, Lazy Bones). And I realize I'm in the minority with Sweet 16 and I don't care. Great fucking song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 You guys do realize he does this to get a rise out of you #ignorehimandhewillgoaway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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