Trilogy Discussion

[WhiteTim]

8 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

I don't really see how having 28 songs instead of 37 would make any difference. The trilogy wouldn't have been any more successful with those 9 songs removed. If anything, it'd just piss people off considering those songs are actually some people's favourite. If you don't like certain songs on the trilogy, you can just make your own playlist with your favourites

But had they not released those songs people wouldn't know them therefor no one would care 

[AmyxLongview]

21 minutes ago, StefanoBras said:

Nah, it was too sudden, it didn't felt right.

That's because it got old fast 

[Christian's Inferno!]

Just now, WhiteTim said:

But had they not released those songs people wouldn't know them therefor no one would care 

Yeah but still. I think most people would prefer having the 37 songs than those 28 songs.

Some people might prefer 14 good songs to the 37 songs but I don't think anyone would prefer the 28 songs over 37

[Eric]

 

 

 

But like others pointed out before in the past 4 years, many of those songs still existed without the concept of The Trilogy. SO I am sure people would care!

[Eric]

2 hours ago, WhiteTim said:

But had they not released those songs people wouldn't know them therefor no one would care 

 

I quoted the wrong message at first, tried to correct it and made a bigger mess! lol opps

[Justin1]

7 hours ago, thatdude03 said:

I enjoy the trilogy more than 1039, Kerplunk and Insomniac.   

 

I would put 21CB and Nimrod in there too, but not include Dos.. Dos is only better than 1039 smooth to me. 

[That Dude]

So many opinions good and bad on the trilogy, but is there anyone who prefers the trilogy over everything else?  There's got to be somebody, right?   

While the order that I like each album changes by the second, I usually put the trilogy as a whole right in the middle.  Here's the order that I love each Green Day album most of the time:

Idiot, Warning, Nimrod, Dookie, Tre, Uno, Dos, Breakdown, Insomniac, 1039 and Kerplunk.

This list will be changing on October 7th!   I am hoping that RevRad will knock all of these down and take the top slot but as long as it's not my least favorite I'll be happy.  

Right now we don't know much about what kind of goodies are tucked between BANG BANG and Ordinary World, or how Somewhere Now will kick the show off, but I'm anticipating this album at least my fifth or sixth favorite album by them.   We shall see.    

Not to get off topic though.   I want to hear from folks that think Uno, Dos and Tre are the three best releases by Green Day of all time.    I won't judge, I thought the Trilogy was awesome sauce and even though it's a bit late, I'm still waiting on more singles from Dos and Tre.            

9 minutes ago, Justin1 said:

I would put 21CB and Nimrod in there too, but not include Dos.. Dos is only better than 1039 smooth to me. 

 

11 minutes ago, Justin1 said:

I would put 21CB and Nimrod in there too, but not include Dos.. Dos is only better than 1039 smooth to me. 

Nimrod is one of my favorites!  

[Justin1]

3 minutes ago, thatdude03 said:

So many opinions good and bad on the trilogy, but is there anyone who prefers the trilogy over everything else?  There's got to be somebody, right?   

While the order that I like each album changes by the second, I usually put the trilogy as a whole right in the middle.  Here's the order that I love each Green Day album most of the time:

Idiot, Warning, Nimrod, Dookie, Tre, Uno, Dos, Breakdown, Insomniac, 1039 and Kerplunk.

This list will be changing on October 7th!   I am hoping that RevRad will knock all of these down and take the top slot but as long as it's not my least favorite I'll be happy.  

Right now we don't know much about what kind of goodies are tucked between BANG BANG and Ordinary World, or how Somewhere Now will kick the show off, but I'm anticipating this album at least my fifth or sixth favorite album by them.   We shall see.    

Not to get off topic though.   I want to hear from folks that think Uno, Dos and Tre are the three best releases by Green Day of all time.    I won't judge, I thought the Trilogy was awesome sauce and even though it's a bit late, I'm still waiting on more singles from Dos and Tre.            

 

Nimrod is one of my favorites!  

Nimrod is my #6.. I love it, but not as much as Uno and Tre.. AI, Dookie and Warning will always be my Top 3 unless RevRad is really special

[Fuzz]

10 hours ago, StefanoBras said:

GDC is full of shit sometimes, I remember I joined this site when UNO was about to get released and when all the albums leaked everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) loved the trilogy, people were even saying that TRÉ was one of their best works yet, the hype for the trilogy was fucking insane and I don't really get why suddenly everyone started to hate on it.

Hypocrites.

I don't think it's people being hypocrites. They weren't saying one thing while actually feeling something else. But I do agree that people's opinion changed dramatically based on criticisms other people were making. And then the iHeart incident happened and album sales tanked and people who were once really into it started talking shit about it. They definitely let popular opinion mold their own opinions. I think that's part of human nature. While I was really excited about the albums and very hyped up, after they were out for a bit, I thought they were underwhelming, while still having some very good songs on there. I don't blame people for not really liking the albums considering everything else that unfolded, but I did definitely notice opinion here turn based on how the general public felt about it.

[Clockwise]

The trilogy has certainly been the GD release I've listened to the most in the last 4 years. 

[PursuitOfEpicness]

Yeah my adrenaline of getting a new set of albums made me blinded by the fact that they weren't as good as they could have been. It took me awhile to critique them from another point of view and i realized the replay factor wasn't huge as other albums for me.

[bloodymurderbitch]

It's been a while since I've listened to the guys, but with the new release now I can only listen to GD. I've been bouncing around from album to album and kind of stayed away from the trilogy but I've been reading so many different opinions I had to come back and revisit. There are actually a lot of songs I really love on here, and have high emotional attachment too because I was just starting my own recovery when everything happened and I can so clearly hear his struggle reflecting mine in them. I think it's pretty apparent especially in Lazy Bones and Brutal Love.

 

There are some songs I could take or leave and definitely some I skip. If I were to put together my own version of it, it would still be pretty long. 

[JardyOfSuburbia]

I like the trilogy. Not picking Stay The Night as a single was what doomed the whole thing.

Also, does anyone know, I had read something once that Walk Away was from Cigarettes and Valentines? Is there any truth to that?

[WhiteTim]

15 minutes ago, JardyOfSuburbia said:

I like the trilogy. Not picking Stay The Night as a single was what doomed the whole thing.

Also, does anyone know, I had read something once that Walk Away was from Cigarettes and Valentines? Is there any truth to that?

No turns out the interviewer names the song wrong he posted he meant to say waste away 

[gd86arg]

Tiki Bar, Costa Mesa, 5 years ago 

First time they played most of the trilogy songs...

[stories and songs]

I have a history of being really critical of the trilogy. That whole era really shook me as a fan, to be honest. First, the interviews felt weird and off (which would later be explained, but at the time I didn't understand what was going on). I wasn't crazy about Oh Love (I totally agree Stay the Night would've much better framed the release). Then I HATED the music videos for Oh Love and Kill the DJ. I'd always loved Green Day because they basically made fun of the rockstar lifestyle. Yeah, they have fun and party and are absolutely incredible onstage. But they've had families from a young age, and didn't really engage too wholeheartedly in that "sex, drugs, and rock n roll" thing. It wasn't their scene, and I loved them for it. But the dancing girls in Holiday were parody, and the dancing girls in Oh Love were serious. This made me wildly uncomfortable, as it was such a huge image shift from who I'd always thought these men to be.

Then iHeart happened. I was horrified at what went down, but during what followed, I felt so connected to the band. Mike was giving us really personal updates, Billie was getting better. Times were tough, but everyone was getting by. And then...they went out back on the road. Too quickly from my perspective, but that's not my problem. But I was so excited to see them for what was the fourth or fifth time, and the whole night fell flat for me. Green Day concerts have always been the best nights of my life, and I just felt nothing after that concert. Maybe they were rushed, maybe it was because they weren't as invested in the new songs as they'd have liked to have been. Whatever the case, it was not the best night, and I fell off with Green Day pretty much up until I attended the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame ceremony (we weren't in a good place, but I couldn't miss my favorite band on such an important night). 

So for me, there were a lot of factors that made me dislike the trilogy that really had nothing to do with the music itself. I think a lot felt like filler, but the cool thing about it is that you can pick and choose your favorites and make your own playlist from it. And it's funny—despite my general distaste for the era, it produced one of my favorite songs of all time—Brutal Love. Songs like that, Amy, and Lazy Bones are phenomenal. In fact, I love the vast majority of Uno and Tre. They have some great work in there, but it gets buried by the excess material. If they REALLY had that much material they loved and wanted to release, then it would've been a great idea. I think the final product ended up being more forced than they'd hope for, though, and it came through in many ways. 

/end rant 

[DookieLukie]

After reading the RS article on RevRad, I think I finally understand what they were going for with the Trilogy. It was supposed to be lighthearted, quick, and fun. Sadly, I think that's more of a side project thing to do.

[DeJennsitized]

I was really excited for the trilogy and loved Oh Love when it came out. I still enjoy the trilogy, but it actually wasn't til I heard Bang Bang that I realised the trilogy is lacking that punch, and that heaviness. I really love some Trilogy songs but when I think about it now the overall feeling is that they tried too hard to make a laid back series of albums.

I don't think I've watched the Oh Love video more than once. But I actually quite liked the Kill The DJ video!

[Harry Potter.]

I believe the moment I started looking differently on the trilogy and stopped loving it was when iHeart put a shitstain on the whole era. Since then my appreciation for it only decreased.

[greendepent]

The thing that I dislike of this era in general is how cool it looks in the begining, and after a while it becomes a total nightmare. I mean, in matters of promotion, this was going good, until Iheart radio rant. Aborted TV performances, aborted special shows and half of US tour. Tré dropped with a feeling of total sadness. I remember seeing Tré's face in that video that the only thing to do was to drop the last record earlier. Tour wasn't in the same level of 21st CB either. They even skip the southamerican guys who wanted to see them again! 

Then they wanted to do some Dookie shows and more of that. Trilogy material gets pushed away from the band themselves. I don't think that any song of the 3 records will stay in their setlist. 

New fresh air is incoming. I can't wait for something cool to come and leave us blinded!

[Hermione]

15 hours ago, DoodleBob said:

What confused me about the recent Rolling Stone interview is how Billie said that they almost got the point of forcing songs with the Trilogy. Didn't they claim it was the exact opposite when they were promoting it? If I remember correctly, they often said that it was a never-ending stream of inspiration that lead them to make and record all of those songs.

I took it to mean maybe they were enjoying the process and feeling inspired but just channeled that by keeping on pushing and pushing out more songs, rather than being more relaxed and letting them come naturally/slowly and not going with every single idea. He said he liked the songs and liked making them so I don't think he meant forced as in having a miserable time making songs when they didn't want to, more just that they took a different approach. Could be that they were almost too inspired with the trilogy and it pushed them to force out as many songs as they could rather than being more considered about things as they have been this time.

[Nova-Caine]

1 hour ago, Harry Potter. said:

I believe the moment I started looking differently on the trilogy and stopped loving it was when iHeart put a shitstain on the whole era. Since then my appreciation for it only decreased.

I agree with this, I rarely listen to the Trilogy except for a handful of songs, for me it was tainted from that moment, it was obviously a bad time for Billie personally and it just brings back those awful onstage breakdown moments of him. x

[Stefano Bras]

I don't really listen to trilogy songs that often but when I do, I listen the whole thing, all the 37 songs.

It's a fucking ride.

[Red]

8 hours ago, dolce_amore93 said:

I have a history of being really critical of the trilogy. That whole era really shook me as a fan, to be honest. First, the interviews felt weird and off (which would later be explained, but at the time I didn't understand what was going on). I wasn't crazy about Oh Love (I totally agree Stay the Night would've much better framed the release). Then I HATED the music videos for Oh Love and Kill the DJ. I'd always loved Green Day because they basically made fun of the rockstar lifestyle. Yeah, they have fun and party and are absolutely incredible onstage. But they've had families from a young age, and didn't really engage too wholeheartedly in that "sex, drugs, and rock n roll" thing. It wasn't their scene, and I loved them for it. But the dancing girls in Holiday were parody, and the dancing girls in Oh Love were serious. This made me wildly uncomfortable, as it was such a huge image shift from who I'd always thought these men to be.

Then iHeart happened. I was horrified at what went down, but during what followed, I felt so connected to the band. Mike was giving us really personal updates, Billie was getting better. Times were tough, but everyone was getting by. And then...they went out back on the road. Too quickly from my perspective, but that's not my problem. But I was so excited to see them for what was the fourth or fifth time, and the whole night fell flat for me. Green Day concerts have always been the best nights of my life, and I just felt nothing after that concert. Maybe they were rushed, maybe it was because they weren't as invested in the new songs as they'd have liked to have been. Whatever the case, it was not the best night, and I fell off with Green Day pretty much up until I attended the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame ceremony (we weren't in a good place, but I couldn't miss my favorite band on such an important night). 

So for me, there were a lot of factors that made me dislike the trilogy that really had nothing to do with the music itself. I think a lot felt like filler, but the cool thing about it is that you can pick and choose your favorites and make your own playlist from it. And it's funny—despite my general distaste for the era, it produced one of my favorite songs of all time—Brutal Love. Songs like that, Amy, and Lazy Bones are phenomenal. In fact, I love the vast majority of Uno and Tre. They have some great work in there, but it gets buried by the excess material. If they REALLY had that much material they loved and wanted to release, then it would've been a great idea. I think the final product ended up being more forced than they'd hope for, though, and it came through in many ways. 

/end rant 

Very well said. Pretty much took most of the words out of my mouth.

While I really like some of the songs on the Trilogy, I disliked that it seemed like (at the time) the band were abandoning the sound that pretty much defined them and spent so much time working on perfecting to make something that sounded way more bland and overproduced. Also, pretty much what you said about the themes in the albums, it just felt so foreign and un-Green Day to have the band going from making kick ass music and singing about important issues in the world and making songs that tell stories, touching peoples hearts and helping change lives to abandoning all that to sing about partying and sex.

In my opinion, it's almost kind of like the people saying stuff like "They should go back to writing about masturbation and drugs" really got to the band and they decided to do that, but when it happened it was just.. ehhh... well the results speak for themselves... It was of course also a really dark time for the band in their personal lives as well, I am sure they were all going through a lot of shit and maybe writing these songs kind of helped them get through it and forget about whatever was going on in their lives too..

Now that that era has passed and the band seem to be picking up where they left off after 21st Century Breakdown, I honestly couldn't be happier that they have that signature sound again and that the new album seems to be bursting with ambition (and in a lets not make it as long as possible, but as fully-realised and pure Green Day as possible), because I am not going to lie, when they said during the interviews for the Trilogy that they were done with that sound, I actually thought they were seriously done with it and were never going to bring it back.

Looking back now I can say I am glad the Trilogy happened, even if they rank quite low on my favourite Green Day albums list. We still got some good songs and like you said earlier, they kind of gave us an experience where we could make one album of songs we really liked out of a huge list of songs and hopefully we will see some of those on tour... 

...now that the band has sobered up, moved on and are back to their old selves, I really just want to see them take this album and whatever they do in the future as far as it can go, regardless of what those haters say

 

Edited August 16, 2016 by RisingRedWolf

[Steven Seagull]

21CB sound was not good at all. So much static and stupid effects that you don't need. If we're talking about their best sound it's something of a mix between Kerplunk and Dookie. Also the vocals were the best on those two albums.