Siddharth_471 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Just now, sara_gd said: What do you mean the same vein as AI and 21st? If at the same time you think that the album will have some concept, be a rock opera and describe contemporary issues. They can still make it a concept album without turning it into a rock opera like AI and 21stCB. Musically I want them to make it sound more heavier or atleast more like Dookie, Insomniac and little bit of Nimrod thrown in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenXIdiot Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 29 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: I wonder what my opinions on this band would be if I strongly disagreed with his views. I do disagree with some of his more specific views but the way he wrote AI and 21CB, it was not so specific to shut people out. He captured the general malaise and distrust of government in the US post Sept. 11., among many other themes. That's the genius of those albums, they are relatable for anyone. 49 minutes ago, sara_gd said: Billie Joe posted on Instagram a week ago a Bette Midler quote that is exactly what American idiot is about. This makes me think that if BJ is identifying with the quote at this present moment, he has to be writing "about" politics (at least to the extent that American Idiot was about politics). With a more recent post about the execution of muslims to "raise awareness", it's clear to me that he wants to show the world what he is writing. Besides all his political Instagram posts, I believe that these two, that show that he's currently thinking about the stuff he wrote for American Idiot and his desire to speak out loud about these issues, are clear indicators that we're going to have the issues included in the album. The quote in case you are wondering: "I haven't left my house in days, and I watch the news incessantly. All the news stories are about the elections, and all the commercials are for viagra and cialis. Election, erection, election, erection... Either way we're getting fucked!" - Bette Midler. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 At this point, I wonder if they're capable of putting out anything that isn't part of a concept of some kind. Billie's always had these big ideas, and it was with nimrod that we started to see them come to fruition. They're all about albums in an age where singles dominate. Color me shocked if this next record is a typical, straightforward collection of songs. You could argue that the trilogy was a bunch typical and/or straightforward Green Day songs, but it was part of a larger (loose) concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sara_gd Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 28 minutes ago, localinsomniac said: At this point, I wonder if they're capable of putting out anything that isn't part of a concept of some kind. Billie's always had these big ideas, and it was with nimrod that we started to see them come to fruition. They're all about albums in an age where singles dominate. Color me shocked if this next record is a typical, straightforward collection of songs. You could argue that the trilogy was a bunch typical and/or straightforward Green Day songs, but it was part of a larger (loose) concept. Well, if you take that "preparying for the party, the party, and picking up yourself from the pieces of the party" thing they said about the trilogy (at least it was something like that), but.... really? To divide a bunch of songs in more "party themed" and more reflective, with some that don't fit put into "preparying for the party" is hardly a concept. And even then, we have something like Lazy Bones in Dos (which is supposed to be the party one), Rusty James and Dirty Rotten Bastards in different albums when they have similar themes, etc. Also there's the "(don't) stop when the red lights flash" thing, but I think it is the only quote that "links" the songs and it's only present in two songs. I agree that probably Green Day themselves see a (loose) concept in the trilogy, for some reason. 39 minutes ago, Siddharth_471 said: They can still make it a concept album without turning it into a rock opera like AI and 21stCB. Musically I want them to make it sound more heavier or atleast more like Dookie, Insomniac and little bit of Nimrod thrown in it. I thought you said you wouldn't be surprised if it was a rock opera, but you mean the style I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 20 minutes ago, sara_gd said: Well, if you take that "preparying for the party, the party, and picking up yourself from the pieces of the party" thing they said about the trilogy (at least it was something like that), but.... really? To divide a bunch of songs in more "party themed" and more reflective, with some that don't fit put into "preparying for the party" is hardly a concept. And even then, we have something like Lazy Bones in Dos (which is supposed to be the party one), Rusty James and Dirty Rotten Bastards are in different albums when they have similar themes, etc. Also there's the "(don't) stop when the red lights flash" thing, but I think is the only quote that "links" the songs and it's only present in two songs. I agree that probably Green Day themselves see a (loose) concept in the trilogy, for some reason. I was talking less about the lyrical themes on each disc, more about the idea that all three were part of a ... package, for lack of a better word? And yeah, that was why I added the "loose" parenthetical to qualify that statement. They were going for something big, and they saw it as a trio of albums that fit a concept, rather than three separate albums that just happened to have similar cover art. My larger point is that they didn't just put out one standalone album; they were trying to once again outdo themselves. I don't think we see three more in a cluster like that, but I DO think they continue down that trying-to-top-themselves path in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 12 hours ago, Ham Pascale said: Warning was recorded from March to April 2000 and released in October 2000. I think they didn't wait for the right, but just dropped it when it was ready. Besides, Billie Joe hated nu-metal and some certain rappers - he was more than quick to slag off (and while it was pretty unpleasant, I do 100% agree with him) Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and Eminem. Warning might have been meant as a huge "fuck you" to heavy, uber-masculine, dumb jock type music. Billie Joe loves Eminem (how can't anyone really?) just came here to post that. Source if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 5 hours ago, Jane Lannister said: I find interesting that you chose "my eyes feel like they're gonna bleed" as an example of more poetic writing. I have always seen it as a pretty straightforward line - your eyes get dry when you can't sleep. I remember feeling like my eyes were literally gonna bleed. Because it is an example of a shift towards more poetic writing. His eyes were literally not going to bleed, he was attempting to say that his eyes were dry, red and irritated in a more poetic fashion. I said that it showed growth, not that he was Maya Angelou. 5 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said: Well, at first I was not a fan of Insomniac either but surely there is growth both lyrically and musically. If you see Insomniac is no less straight-forward than Dookie. Dookie was more in a personal sense but c'mon you cannot be more straight-forward than directly saying "There's no return from 86, don't even try" to that same punk scene which restricted them playing there for signing to reprise. Vocals were also just as good as Dookie. Actually, I disagree that there was growth musically. Dookie consisted of 3 or 4 chord power chord songs and Insomniac consisted of 3 or 4 chord power chord songs. There was nothing different musically. They didn't do that until Nimrod. Awww come on, how about you actually read my posts before you respond. I never in any way shape or form said that everything on Insomniac was more poetic. i gave an example of where I saw growth. And no, his vocals on Insomniac were much worse than Dookie. He literally mumbled through the entire album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Pascale Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 9 hours ago, JJ1964 said: INsomniac pretty much was Dookie part 2, it just had a harder edge to it. There was nothing musically differnet from Dookie. The started to branch out in Nimrod, adding violins and focusing on more adult themes Agreed. I think I meant people expected something more happy and radio-friendly from Green Day and they've made a depressed and supposed un-radio-friendly album. 4 hours ago, petros said: Billie Joe loves Eminem (how can't anyone really?) just came here to post that. Source if you want. But in 2001, his views on Eminem and nu-metal movement were drastically different. Source Quote Are there any particular bands of that type that you especially like or dislike? There’s the obvious ones like Limp Bizkit… That’s just such an old mentality… You don’t feel like you’re being the grownup now, complaining about this newfangled music kids are listening to these days? No, because I didn’t like it when people were playing it years ago either. So you think it’s not even anything that new? No. I didn’t like Faith No More either. I don’t think there’s much sensibility about it. A pit at a rap metal show compared to a pit for say, Nirvana, when they first came out, they’re completely different. There’s a different frame of mind. Like when we played Woodstock in 94 compared to when Limp Bizkit played there in 99 – it’s funny how much times change in five short years… From mud fights to gang rapes…? Yeah. And yet a lot of these bands never even spoke out about what was happening to women there, they sort of swept it under the rug. Whereas I think what we do… there’s a lot more fun involved in it, it’s not just thinking of something to break. Think about the big crowds in England, like at the Reading Festival. That crowd unites, they’re singing along. They’re not being wishy-washy, everyone is getting an opportunity to work out their energy, but it’s not like a football game or going to see wrestling. Of course there’s always been an element of fighting around some parts of punk rock… What about Eminem? I don’t like his lyrics. But you’ve got all these intellectuals, or at least quasi-intellectuals, going, “Yeah, but he’s an artist. We don’t have the right to question his art…” I think that’s bullshit. If the guy is going to stand up and sing these songs that are basically about killing gays and killing women, he’s got to answer to the consequences. Yeah, he does have the freedom to say whatever he wants, but people also have the freedom to have an opinion about him. But like some artists… Well, I was watching, for example, Melissa Etheridge on TV, and when she was asked about Eminem, she was like, oh, he’s an artist… But I think people are just saying that because they’re afraid to show their true opinion. Saying that Eminem has artistic freedom is not an answer to the question. “What do you think of Eminem?” “He’s got artistic freedom.” Well, yeah, doesn’t everybody have artistic freedom? But that’s not what the question was. Well, you’re an artist… People don’t hesitate to criticize you… Yeah. They don’t. But with Eminem, I think the things that he says are bullshit. Maybe he says that they’re a joke… But jokes are supposed to be funny… Actually, some of them are very funny, provided you abandon any kind of moral sense. Sort of like what Nietzsche said: “A joke is an epitaph on the death of feeling.” Yeah, and like people listening to Skrewdriver because, “The music sounds good, man.” What would you say if, when they’re older, your own kids started listening to something like Eminem? I’d talk to them about it. As much as I could. They have minds of their own, and maybe I can’t tell them what to buy or listen to, but it would raise issues. I don’t think I would give them the money to buy something like that. But if they got jobs and earned their own money and went out and bought those kind of records… What can you do? There’s “parental guidance,” but it only goes so far. You can try and educate them, show the history and meaning of what this guy is talking about… I don’t like Eminem. Yeah, I’m 30 years old and I can distinguish between what is real and what isn’t, but an 11 year old can’t always do that. Joke or not, part of what Eminem is saying is that this kind of behavior is ok, that you’re a man and it’s part of your rite of passage or something, and that’s bullshit… Some people say that the real danger is not that people take Eminem’s lyrics literally, but that it desensitizes them, by making horrible things into a joke, until they just don’t seem as serious or as horrible anymore… And that that’s why kids often seem so ready to pull a trigger or to smash somebody’s head in, because it’s like a cartoon to them instead of a real thing… And it’s such fake rebellion. It’s testosterone-driven. It’s got nothing to do with using your fucking brain, which is what rebellion is about to begin with. One thing I’ve thought about both metal and rap is that they’re both pseudo-rebellions in another way: they both operate pretty much according to the same values they’re supposedly rebelling against. They’re about acquiring lots of money and lots of power and being able to dominate women, which is essentially already mainstream culture. They’re just doing it on a somewhat cruder, more basic level. Anyway, you say you’re not a big fan of Eminem; what about other rap music? It’s one of the most popular kinds of music happening these days… To tell you the truth, I don’t really buy rap music. The way that it sounds, it just doesn’t appeal to me. I’m sure some rap artists are saying great things, but I’ve just never been into that sound. I like guitars. I like bands. And I like rock and roll. I don’t want to come across like a purist. I respect rap music and hip hop, but it’s not something that really appeals to me. Back when Tre was in the Lookouts, he used to listen to NWA a lot. In fact we all did, and it got to where the three of us could pretty much recite all the lyrics, which is often how we’d entertain ourselves on the way to gigs. Some of those lyrics are pretty terrible too, I mean, what they’re talking about, and yet somehow they seemed funny. I’m wondering if it’s just me getting old that makes me find Eminem not as funny… I think the difference is that NWA came from somewhere. It was part of real life, it was Compton… And they were brutally honest… 12 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said: It was the internet through which I explored Ramones, Pistols, The Clash, Black Flag, Bad Brains (not only punk bands but all other bands too) and most importantly Green Day Still, if you listen predominantly to older music (which is totally fine), you can't really say there is no place for punk in today's music, just as much as you can't really say today's music sucks because you're only familiar with Justin Bieber or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie86 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 2 hours ago, JJ1964 said: Because it is an example of a shift towards more poetic writing. His eyes were literally not going to bleed, he was attempting to say that his eyes were dry, red and irritated in a more poetic fashion. I said that it showed growth, not that he was Maya Angelou. Actually, I disagree that there was growth musically. Dookie consisted of 3 or 4 chord power chord songs and Insomniac consisted of 3 or 4 chord power chord songs. There was nothing different musically. They didn't do that until Nimrod. Awww come on, how about you actually read my posts before you respond. I never in any way shape or form said that everything on Insomniac was more poetic. i gave an example of where I saw growth. And no, his vocals on Insomniac were much worse than Dookie. He literally mumbled through the entire album. I love insomniac. A agree that there's no musical growth, but that was the point, it was stripped down intentionally, they wanted faster and harder. Some of his lyrics got poetic, but not all of them, but yeah definitely lyrical growth from dookie, i think i read that he took his time them and put more thought into them. Armatage shanks has great lyrics, I love the "loner in a claustrophobic mind" line. I love the lyrics to Panic Song a lot as well. I don't think his vocals are bad at all. I never noticed a ton of mumbling, i think it was just the snotty attitude of the songs being reflected in the vocals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kyle Serlington said: I love insomniac. A agree that there's no musical growth, but that was the point, it was stripped down intentionally, they wanted faster and harder. Some of his lyrics got poetic, but not all of them, but yeah definitely growth from dookie, i think i read that he took his time them and put more thought into them. Armatage shanks has great lyrics, I love the "loner in a claustrophobic mind" line. I love the lyrics to Panic Song a lot as well. I don't think his vocals are bad at all. I never noticed a ton of mumbling, i think it was just the snotty attitude of the songs being reflected in the vocals I never said I didn't like Insomniac, just that I am not a huge fan of it, mostly because of the vocals. I have to disagree on that, I think they are his worst by far. If you can understand him on Insomniac then you have much better ears than me. I honestly don't think it was the snotty attitude coming out. I don't think he was at that point where he was capable of manipulating his vocals to set the mood of the song. I think they were just shitty vocals. He can do all that now, set the mood simply through vocals. Whatsername is a perfect example of that, his monotone vocals perfectly set the tone of reflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Oh yeah that bitchy phase green day went through in 2001-2002. You could see their self esteem was so low back then. They were talking shit for everyone in interviews like this and their band was doing horrible sales and almost broke up. So glad they bounced back with American Idiot hope they can do it again in some extend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Pascale Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 51 minutes ago, petros said: Oh yeah that bitchy phase green day went through in 2001-2002. You could see their self esteem was so low back then. They were talking bad for everyone in interviews like this and their band was doing horrible sales and almost broke up. So glad they bounced back with American Idiot hope they can do it again in some extend. Green Day were always somewhat bitchy (especially after they signed with major label), it's not really a phase. Sometimes it doesn't hurt to be bitchy. Throughout Green Day's career Billie Joe has confessed his firm dislike for Tim Yohannon, All, Descendents, Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan, Slipknot, skinheads, Black Eyed Peas, Donald Trump, George Bush, etc. I have to say I'd 100% agree with Billie about Eminem (and, for one, I absolutely can't stand Eminem, or the nu/rap metal crop of bands), Faith No More, Limp Bizkit and, most importantly, pseudo-rebellion. I think he has a good point, even if it can appear subjective and bitchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie86 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 23 minutes ago, Ham Pascale said: Green Day were always somewhat bitchy (especially after they signed with major label), it's not really a phase. Sometimes it doesn't hurt to be bitchy. Throughout Green Day's career Billie Joe has confessed his firm dislike for Tim Yohannon, All, Descendents, Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan, Slipknot, skinheads, Black Eyed Peas, Donald Trump, George Bush, etc. I have to say I'd 100% agree with Billie about Eminem (and, for one, I absolutely can't stand Eminem, or the nu/rap metal crop of bands), Faith No More, Limp Bizkit and, most importantly, pseudo-rebellion. I think he has a good point, even if it can appear subjective and bitchy. I was so bummed when I found out that billie didn't like the descendents. I saw it in a video from when they toured europe back before dookie, has there been other times where he's said something about them? that was a long time ago, maybe he's come around since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Pascale Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Just now, Kyle Serlington said: I was so bummed when I found out that billie didn't like the descendents. I saw it in a video from when they toured europe back before dookie, has there been other times where he's said something about them? that was a long time ago, maybe he's come around since then Billie was very pissed off because people used to tell him that Green Day is a Descendents rip-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I love Billies views on Em but is a fan of The Fang who singer is one of the biggest scumbags ever guess it's not ok to rap about killing but it's perfectly fine to actually kill in real life... 42 minutes ago, Ham Pascale said: Green Day were always somewhat bitchy (especially after they signed with major label), it's not really a phase. Sometimes it doesn't hurt to be bitchy. Throughout Green Day's career Billie Joe has confessed his firm dislike for Tim Yohannon, All, Descendents, Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan, Slipknot, skinheads, Black Eyed Peas, Donald Trump, George Bush, etc. I have to say I'd 100% agree with Billie about Eminem (and, for one, I absolutely can't stand Eminem, or the nu/rap metal crop of bands), Faith No More, Limp Bizkit and, most importantly, pseudo-rebellion. I think he has a good point, even if it can appear subjective and bitchy. So he's not a fan of Em for rapping bout killing but he's a fan of a singer who actually killed women in real life shit like this makes me see Billie is kind of a shitty person in real life between this the Steve jobs shit kind of a shitty person EDIT: my bad killed one girlfriend and beaten two others but let's be mad at Ems lyrics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Pascale Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 14 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: I love Billies views on Em but is a fan of The Fang who singer is one of the biggest scumbags ever guess it's not ok to rap about killing but it's perfectly fine to actually kill in real life... So he's not a fan of Em for rapping bout killing but he's a fan of a singer who actually killed women in real life shit like this makes me see Billie is kind of a shitty person in real life between this the Steve jobs shit kind of a shitty dirtbag person EDIT: my bad killed one girlfriend and beaten two others but let's be mad at Ems lyrics... I wouldn't say Billie is a totally shitty person, but he contradicts himself quite often. He tends to say some stuff on the spur of the moment he would later regret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ham Pascale said: I wouldn't say Billie is a totally shitty person, but he contradicts himself quite often. He tends to say some stuff on the spur of the moment he would later regret. In same interview he gives it up to NWA says they're real it's real life yes a group who rapped about smacking a bitch up if she don't suck dick let me guess Billie that's not promoting violence to women Oh man the hyprocrite of this is mind boggling... maybe saying shitty person is a tad far I'll apologize for that part but I'll say he has shitty opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdlyon Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Wait Billie doesn't like Descendants? That's really surprising to me. He definitely likes hip-hop though, he follows A$AP Rocky and a Kid Cudi fan account on Instagram lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Pascale Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 2 hours ago, WhiteTim said: In same interview he gives it up to NWA says they're real it's real life yes a group who rapped about smacking a bitch up if she don't suck dick let me guess Billie that's not promoting violence to women Oh man the hyprocrite of this is mind boggling... maybe saying shitty person is a tad far I'll apologize for that part but I'll say he has shitty opinions... Quote Sometimes I'll read something I've said and think, "What an asshole, did I actually say that!?!" - Billie Joe Armstrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Billie slagged off nu metal because it was shitty and a very easy thing to make fun of. Eminem wasn't nu metal, Billie just disliked some of his lyrics at the time like loads of people did but then (also like loads of people) later changed his mind and saw the artistic side of him. Disliking lame nu metal bands doesn't mean he dislikes hip hop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisloveslauren Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Great artists constantly change and adapt. Any artist who sticks to a limited palette because it brought them to prominence becomes quickly irrelevant. With that in mind, I hope the new album comes from a genuine place. I want it to be a reflection of the ideas and music which inspires the band today. If that means another concept album, great. If it means a loud and heavy "punk" album, I'd feel the same. For me, all that matters is that it is the music they genuinely want to share with the world. I'm super excited for this next chapter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Jain Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 7 hours ago, Sentimental Journey said: loud and heavy "punk" album i just want quality lyrics and great vocals (i think Billie would've dumped those triology filters by now), but i want some songs on Acoustic Guitars as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Akshat Jain said: i just want quality lyrics and great vocals (i think Billie would've dumped those triology filters by now), but i want some songs on Acoustic Guitars as well Those "trilogy filters" has been used for almost 20 years now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Jain Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Just now, WhiteTim said: Those "trilogy filters" has been used for almost 20 years now... So, Time for them to buy some new ones! or just reduce compression rate and use a low pass filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, Akshat Jain said: So, Time for them to buy some new ones! or just reduce compression rate and use a low pass filter. Yeah they should've adjusted it for the trilogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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