Green Day in the studio 2016

[dudley dawson]

2 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

To be fair it failed cause there was no band to promote the albums people may not like this response but Billie's rehab is the majority cause of the lack of promo and sales (not that Billie should've avoided the rehab and such his health is a lot more important than ANY album) 

I don't think that's entirely true.  Can it be one of the reasons? Sure, but the whole rehab/iheartradio incident also created publicity on its own for the albums, so I think those essentially cancel each other out.

In my opinion, the albums were doomed once Oh Love was picked as the first single.  Nothing against the song, but that was a terrible choice to represent the jump off on 3 Green Day albums.

[Chin for a Day]

6 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

To be fair it failed cause there was no band to promote the albums people may not like this response but Billie's rehab is the majority cause of the lack of promo and sales (not that Billie should've avoided the rehab and such his health is a lot more important than ANY album) 

I agree with this.  Before rehab, the trilogy was getting alot of promotion.  I remember how Howard Stern used to rave about how much he liked Oh Love.  Oh Love was on almost constant radio play, then it all stopped when Billie's rehab started.  The Trilogy might have been more successful if that did not happen.    

[sara_gd]

On the bright side it's good that the stop in promotion happened with an album(s) that didn't have that much to offer, the world heard American Idiot but not that much of ¡Uno! (for many other reasons as well of course)... oh well, could've been worse! 

Also for those of you hoping this is "the rehab album", I think BJ is trying to leave that behind, we will probably have a few songs about this issue but I doubt a full album leaned towards that direction. Also he wrote those demos way after rehab, maybe something he wrote back then can still come out but I doubt it's much.

[localinsomniac]

They say there's no such thing as bad publicity. Just gauging opinion – does anyone believe the iHeart incident boosted album sales? It put them in the news for sure, but I'm not certain it did anything to help the albums themselves.

And Oh Love was a shit choice as the lead single. I don't hate the song or anything, but it's on equal footing with the band disappearing right before a huge album release and world tour. I might be alone in this, but I think Stay the Night or even Kill the DJ would have been far better choices.

[WhiteTim]

13 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

I don't think that's entirely true.  Can it be one of the reasons? Sure, but the whole rehab/iheartradio incident also created publicity on its own for the albums, so I think those essentially cancel each other out.

In my opinion, the albums were doomed once Oh Love was picked as the first single.  Nothing against the song, but that was a terrible choice to represent the jump off on 3 Green Day albums.

There are other reasons but the majority cause is the rehab and then Billie resting for half a year when there's no band to tour and do shows there's not a lot of promotion that can be done controversies like the Iheart performance only goes so far 

as far as singles go they're a mixed bag KYE wasn't  exactly a great single either but it still sold 4 mil copies (worldwide) 

[Chin for a Day]

9 minutes ago, localinsomniac said:

They say there's no such thing as bad publicity. Just gauging opinion – does anyone believe the iHeart incident boosted album sales? It put them in the news for sure, but I'm not certain it did anything to help the albums themselves.

And Oh Love was a shit choice as the lead single. I don't hate the song or anything, but it's on equal footing with the band disappearing right before a huge album release and world tour. I might be alone in this, but I think Stay the Night or even Kill the DJ would have been far better choices.

The problem was that once iHeart happened, the radio airplay for Oh Love stopped, along with all other promotion.  So, there is such a thing as bad publicity.   

We had actually had this discussion awhile ago and I believe the general consensus was that Stay the NIght would have been a better choice.  But remember the single choice is not up to the band.  The record company obviously heard something in Oh Love and it was getting alot of airplay before iHeart.  At least in the NY area it was.

[Sanity Loan]

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EDIT: Despite what the first post of that thread may be, I'm just telling everyone that there is a trilogy thread available.

[GenXIdiot]

25 minutes ago, JJ1964 said:

The problem was that once iHeart happened, the radio airplay for Oh Love stopped, along with all other promotion.  So, there is such a thing as bad publicity.   

We had actually had this discussion awhile ago and I believe the general consensus was that Stay the NIght would have been a better choice.  But remember the single choice is not up to the band.  The record company obviously heard something in Oh Love and it was getting alot of airplay before iHeart.  At least in the NY area it was.

Yes I'm upstate in NY and I heard Oh Love constantly, I liked it but you're right, Stay the Night would have been a MUCH better single.  I'm pretty sure Billie's rehab pretty much killed the trilogy because I remember all the hype and promotions and everything and then iHeart happened and BOOM...nothing but crickets chirping, Green Day fell off the planet Earth and the Trilogy along with them...

I Think that his experiences of facing and battling his addiction demons are certainly going to inform his songwriting to some extent, just as everything else in his life, good and bad, no matter how much time passes.  Getting sober is one thing, staying sober and healthy is another.     If he's honest, vulnerable, and authentic with his lyrics, as he has been in the past,  we could be hearing some amazing new songs soon, no matter what he writes about.

4 minutes ago, Matt. said:

^

 

I love it too..we did a road trip to Rochester over the weekend and husband and kids got the "Trilogy" treatment for the car ride.

[Sixtrix]

57 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

as far as singles go they're a mixed bag KYE wasn't  exactly a great single either but it still sold 4 mil copies (worldwide) 

Not a fan favorite maybe, but it had the right vibe at that moment. Probably the same reason why they picked Oh Love, but it had a better potential on stage rather than being a (lead) single

[localinsomniac]

55 minutes ago, JJ1964 said:

The problem was that once iHeart happened, the radio airplay for Oh Love stopped, along with all other promotion.  So, there is such a thing as bad publicity.   

We had actually had this discussion awhile ago and I believe the general consensus was that Stay the NIght would have been a better choice.  But remember the single choice is not up to the band.  The record company obviously heard something in Oh Love and it was getting alot of airplay before iHeart.  At least in the NY area it was.

I agree re: bad publicity. To me, Oh Love was too boring and slow and repetitive to be the first single. Second? Sure. But it's good to hear that the consensus is StN would have been better as an "introduction" to the trilogy.

[Maddie86]

1 hour ago, GenXIdiot said:

Yes I'm upstate in NY and I heard Oh Love constantly, I liked it but you're right, Stay the Night would have been a MUCH better single.  I'm pretty sure Billie's rehab pretty much killed the trilogy because I remember all the hype and promotions and everything and then iHeart happened and BOOM...nothing but crickets chirping, Green Day fell off the planet Earth and the Trilogy along with them...

what stations were playing oh love? back then i only listened to the classic rock station, or the country station if i was riding somewhere with my dad. a little over a year ago i started listening to KGB and i was surprised at how much green day played, but oddly enough they mostly play stuff from dookie. they play brain stew and jaded at times and once in a while they will play good riddance, but i never hear anything post nimrod on the radio

[GenXIdiot]

38 minutes ago, Kyle Serlington said:

what stations were playing oh love? back then i only listened to the classic rock station, or the country station if i was riding somewhere with my dad. a little over a year ago i started listening to KGB and i was surprised at how much green day played, but oddly enough they mostly play stuff from dookie. they play brain stew and jaded at times and once in a while they will play good riddance, but i never hear anything post nimrod on the radio

I don't remember, maybe more pop like 103.3? I just remember hearing it a lot.

[Maddie86]

14 minutes ago, GenXIdiot said:

I don't remember, maybe more pop like 103.3? I just remember hearing it a lot.

that makes sense then, i don't think i ever listen to that station. i do listen to wild 104 every so often though haha, obviously no GD on that one

[Maddie86]

ok so I just watch Cuatro and took a few notes. They were at a few different studios but I could tell which scenes were from Jingle Town by looking at photos on jtrecording.com

around 23 minutes in to it they were in the control room for studio C with a big board and they were trying to decide which songs would go on which album, which I assume was something that happened towards the end of the recording process. That's the only part of the film that looked like they were in studio C, and since the photo Billie posted a few days ago looked like it was also from Studio C, I can only assume that they are getting pretty close to being done with this new album. I could actually see this being a May or June release.

I know this whole Otis thing is kinda hard to figure out, but from the pictures that Tre posted of his drum set mic'd up it definitely doesn't look like they did the main tracking at Jingle Town. I really don't know why they wouldn't, it's a great studio. Most of the footage of them recording drums and guitar from Cuatro was from Studio A. The drums were definitely set up in the Studio A Live room the whole time, and there were scenes of the whole band having equipment set up in there too, and it looked nothing like Otis. There were scenes from the control room of studio A as well, some of those scenes were of Billie and Jason recording guitar tracks, and there was also a scene where Rob and Billie were talking about the sound of the album. Billie said it was like a whole new sound and it was fucking with his head, and then Rob went on to talk about it more, which makes me think that Rob really did have a lot to do with encouraging them to go for the cleaner sound, and it also makes me think that he won't be too involved with the new album.

I'm very curious to see how this next album sounds

[WhiteTim]

for the trilogy they demo'ed at several studios (shown in Cuatro) they did the main actual recording at Jingletown 

trips me out they used Yellow Dog Studios in Austin great studio tucked away location

 

as for the next album i just want a good album 

just thinking about Yellow Dog Studios reminds me their main console is a Trident maybe thats where GD got the idea to get one 

[Maddie86]

it's hard to say for sure, everything's pretty vague. that picture of tre's set made me think they were doing demos because of all the cymbals behind the kit leaning against the wall, seems like vibrations from the drums could rattle them and they could bleed into the mics. I wonder what it's gunna take for them to want to go back to Ocean Way and the other big studios they used for American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown

[WhiteTim]

1 minute ago, Kyle Serlington said:

it's hard to say for sure, everything's pretty vague. that picture of tre's set made me think they were doing demos because of all the cymbals behind the kit leaning against the wall, seems like vibrations from the drums could rattle them and they could bleed into the mics. I wonder what it's gunna take for them to want to go back to Ocean Way and the other big studios they used for American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown

they used Ocean Way for the trilogy as well at least it was credited in the booklet for Tre most likely the piano and strings for Forgotten were done in Ocean Way

the benefits for using their own studio is the recording budget is can be saved the less money used for recording time means less money the band will then have to pay back the label 

 

[Maddie86]

Jingletown is the same place as studio 880, right? weren't parts of 21st century breakdown done at 880? I know Warning was done at 880 and i think Warning sounds pretty good, at least the drums and the bass anyways. I like how 21st Century sounds overall, but I wasn't a huge fan of the bass sound. same with american idiot. I like the guitar tones on American Idiot but the bass and drums seem like they're missing something in my opinion. then it comes to the trilogy, i LOVE mike's bass tone on the album. i'm not a fan of the drum sounds though. i really like the guitar tones for the songs that call for the cleaner sound, like Kill The DJ and Troublemaker, but i hate the guitar tones on the songs that needed a harder sound like Nuclear Family and Let Yourself Go

[WhiteTim]

Just now, Kyle Serlington said:

Jingletown is the same place as studio 880, right? weren't parts of 21st century breakdown done at 880? I know Warning was done at 880 and i think Warning sounds pretty good, at least the drums and the bass anyways. I like how 21st Century sounds overall, but I wasn't a huge fan of the bass sound. same with american idiot. I like the guitar tones on American Idiot but the bass and drums seem like they're missing something in my opinion. then it comes to the trilogy, i LOVE mike's bass tone on the album. i'm not a fan of the drum sounds though. i really like the guitar tones for the songs that call for the cleaner sound, like Kill The DJ and Troublemaker, but i hate the guitar tones on the songs that needed a harder sound like Nuclear Family and Let Yourself Go

yes Jingletown was Studio 880 before GD bought it 

[Siddharth_471]

Well, Green Day are not newbies, they are much senior and experienced than we simply believe. Why Warner would not allow them to keep the album lo-fi and let them choose singles on their own.

[WhiteTim]

1 minute ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Well, Green Day are not newbies, they are much senior and experienced than we simply believe. Why Warner would not allow them to keep the album lo-fi and let them choose singles on their own.

Well how the album is recorded is on GD the label doesn't make them do anything as far as singles go GD can make suggestions but end of the day it's the label as they're the ones who are putting the money up

[Siddharth_471]

4 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

Well how the album is recorded is on GD the label doesn't make them do anything as far as singles go GD can make suggestions but end of the day it's the label as they're the ones who are putting the money up

Yes you're right.

Sometimes I feel the "music industry", labels, production and most importantly money business is ruining the likes of music. Wasn't punk created to rebel against all this corporate business. Even GD is under pressure because of all these!

[ZSebs]

28 minutes ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Yes you're right.

Sometimes I feel the "music industry", labels, production and most importantly money business is ruining the likes of music. Wasn't punk created to rebel against all this corporate business. Even GD is under pressure because of all these!

I honestly don't think Green Day is under too much pressure. Releasing the trilogy was a huge risk, something that isn't usually done, especially nowadays, but they had the freedom to go for it. Yeah, there have been some bad single selections, but overall, I think most Green Day singles have been good selections. 

[WhiteTim]

20 minutes ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Yes you're right.

Sometimes I feel the "music industry", labels, production and most importantly money business is ruining the likes of music. Wasn't punk created to rebel against all this corporate business. 

Well yes in a way but selling albums is always be about money as well no one even the extreme punks aren't about to spend thousands and thousands of dollars in a product and not make it back and then some 

[Chin for a Day]

6 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said:

Yes you're right.

Sometimes I feel the "music industry", labels, production and most importantly money business is ruining the likes of music. Wasn't punk created to rebel against all this corporate business. Even GD is under pressure because of all these!

You have actually struck on a pet peeve of mine.  You have to remember, you are talking the music business.  It is, first and foremost, a business.  All the people involved, including the artists, are in it to make money and any artist that tells you differently is lying.  What bothers me is people that think this is bad.  There is no glory in not being successful.  It doesn't make you a better, or worse, musician to play in small clubs on independent records for the rest of your life.  I had to work very hard to get where I am at in my career.  I started at the bottom, just like almost everyone else does in their chosen career and had alot of people tell me what to do.  Why should it be any different in the music business?  I do realize that there is a creative aspect involved here and the artist would not want to do music that is dramatically different from their style.  But as far as what single to release, when to release, etc.   The record company actually knows that end of the business better than the artist does, at least at the beginning of a career.  An artist like GD would have more say in how their record is promoted, but they have earned that right.  I seriously doubt they started out with it.  As Tim has already said, in the end, it is the record companies money.  

I've been reading Larry Livermores book.  I'm not finished with it yet.  However, there are many reasons that GD is the most successful band to come out of Lookout Records.  But, one of the things that stuck out at me, that alot of the other bands didn't do, was the fact that they listened to Larry.  He said how easy they were to work with.  They were young kids that didn't know the record business yet and they listened and learned.

I just don't get the "the music industry" is ruining music story.  The music industry is giving thousands of artists the ability to make a living at something they love to do and to have millions of people worldwide hear their music.  Why is it bad that they have to listen to the people that are paying them to do that.  Every other person in the world has too, why not them.