DookieLukie Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I didn't see the Trilogy as childish in any way. It was clearly a product of their age and their midlife crisis. The thought that they were "trying hard" to "relate to the kids" is really really dumb because Green Day has never done that in their career. The thing is that anyone who has ever self-reflected or thought critically about their life at all has felt what Billie is singing about in the Trilogy. Just because he's 40 and a dad doesn't mean he is void of the urges of an adolescent. The problem with the lyrics is that they are shoddy, not that they are desperate or childish. Most of the songs aren't fully formed. Not to mention that the instrumentals sound jarring and unnatural most of the time. The biggest pro to the Trilogy is that the lyrics are very emotionally accurate. Even though I think some of the lines are dumb, I found myself really relating to what he was saying. I've heard that men and women often experience the mid life crisis in different ways, and even that men and women often have different goals and views past the age of 30, so maybe you have to be a dude to really relate to what Billie is saying in the Trilogy. Tbh, it seems like the Trilogy praise is coming from men on this forum. Just a theory but I don't know how else to explain why people like AlissaGoesRAWR don't "get" the lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 ^ Obvious baiting is obvious. I'm not going to make this a gender issue when it's not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendary Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 why nobody asked Billie about new album in Gilman Street? :/ I thought someone would do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 45 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: ^ Obvious baiting is obvious. I'm not going to make this a gender issue when it's not one. I'm not trying to bait you. You have to admit that the male and female experiences are different throughout life. I'm just hypothesizing. Look at literature, for example. I wouldn't blame a woman for not being able to understand the characters of say, Hemingway or Fitzgerald or Salinger etc. They write about what is mostly exclusively male experiences. Can't the same happen in music? To be honest, even though I wrote that blog series tearing up the Trilogy, the amount you people on here insult and berate the band over it is actually making me give it a chance. This forum acts like the Trilogy is responsible for everything bad in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iva Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I hate to say this, but out of all off-the-wall theories on Trilogy, this is the only one that makes sense to me:http://green-day-bread.tumblr.com/post/138855123114/the-muse-behind-uno-dos-tre-proven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I Know it's a Mouthful The Trilogy was the first time I was actually confused by the lyrics.. confused meaning.. thinking they really saw these lyrics and thought "Yea thats great" like for real? haha Like i love all of sex drugs and violence except the fucking chorus. It would be almost perfect without the chorus in my opinion. Its hard to believe Billie wrote some of the stuff and was like this is the best I can do for the song and the rest of the band was for it too. couple examples Troublemaker (All the Lyrics are under the WTF genre except for "Easy come and go, gonna go it alone Knock yourself out with a shot of Patron I wouldn't say I'm straight 'cause I'm bent out of shape From now till death do we party just before it's too late.") Sex drugs and violence (chorus) Kill the Dj (Obviously the chorus) Fell for you (what does "Haunted stories in the midnight hour, the kiss of death on the Eiffel Tower." even mean? its probably just me but huhhhhh?) Dos has pretty straight forward understandable lyrics no matter what you think about the quality And besides SDV Tre is pretty ok lyrically I just sometimes feel conflicted cause I know of the lyrics Billie has written for all the other albums and not once did I feel like he could have done better but with more than some of the trilogy I was like what happened to that talented lyricist we know and love? it felt a tad lazy (Of course all of this is my opinion so feel free to disagree) I have very high hopes for the new album cause I feel like Billie/The Band will want to put as much detail and imagery into their new work after all that has happened to them. Im sure this will be more important/serious to the band than any of the trilogy was.. partially because its the first new album they've put out in forever and because they kinda need to prove themselves I feel. Having to prove themselves might actually help the process pushing themselves to put out some really kickass work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 hour ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: I never said it wasn't indicative of a midlife crisis though. If anything, I agree with that fact. For some people, doesn't a midlife crisis include making changes and doing things in attempt to try and hold onto your youth? Yes which is exactly what you said. What you said you didn't like can most definitely be considered a mid life crisis. When you reach that age you need to try and reconcile aging and still feelingvyouthful. Some people fail at first. I still contend that billie was writing as he felt, he was having a hard time reconciling it, which is understandable considering his lifestyle. Everything you are describing is a midlife crisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 11 minutes ago, Iva said: I hate to say this, but out of all off-the-wall theories on Trilogy, this is the only one that makes sense to me:http://green-day-bread.tumblr.com/post/138855123114/the-muse-behind-uno-dos-tre-proven This blog is pure art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iva Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I agree. Discovered it when the Tré-bread popped up among recommended posts and been following it since then. It makes a lot of sense. Sometimes more than the universe itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 To the lyrics: it's true I can't relate to many of the topics because it's about things I haven't experienced. Another problem is that midlife crisis/horny 40-year-olds trying to sound like teenagers aren't topics that can attract "the kids" and be cool. I think what people criticize about the lyrics all boils down to the fact that they talk about midlife crisis from a perspective of a person who's experiencing it. That's why some of the songs lack the insight or irony that was in his lyrics before. It sounds cringeworthy because you can't simply be a 40-year-old guy trying to be young and not be cringeworthy. It's actually logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iva Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 This is the first and last time I'm commenting on Billie Joe's lyrics for Trilogy or anything about him that's not my business in general, so lis'en carefully, I shall say zis only once. No age and no state of mind can truly be stereotyped. Old people being funny are a North American stereotype. 50-something-women and 40-something men being crazy, menopause causing insanity and the midlife crisis thing are a popular culture invention and they come in handy for selling drugs and psychiatric treatments to pretty much every individual who thinks they'll blow up once they hit a certain age or once there are no more eggs to get rid off. In reality, sticking to the same choices all life long is stagnation. We change our lifestyle, change our ways, change our opinion, change what we like and it's absolutely normal. On top of it, the difference between somebody like Billie Joe and somebody who truly goes around screwing teenagers for fun (e.g. Anthony Kiedis and Iggy Pop types) is immense. I just cannot and won't see him as a dirty old man, when he's not old and not dirty. On top of it, it's just not my business if he truly was in love with somebody or if he was exploring fantasies or telling somebody else's story, either. It resulted in cool songs to dance to and bike to, a style I like and that's what I care about. And if it was love, people fall in love at any given age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpsalty Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Regarding the trilogy, I kind of thought of it as a "write the songs no matter how they sound" kind of way. I think Billie even said himself that he was writing whatever came up and not overthinking things as he had done on say AI and 21CB. The idea being something more spontaneous and fun and easy going, which you could say the trilogy is for the most part. perhaps he couldn't face the idea of delving any deeper at that time than he did (which with a few songs is still pretty deep) or perhaps he wasn't looking to write the next Eleanor Rigby or whatever. Eirher way it was a trade off because it's obviously not their best work. I definitely think parts of it do relate to that midlife crisis feeling, as he's even said so himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riotgrrl_GD Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I thought I was in a thread about 2016 studio rumors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 46 minutes ago, Riotgrrl_GD said: I thought I was in a thread about 2016 studio rumors... Yeah, it WAS.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Ale. Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 that Green Day bread page is amazing. so heartfelt and unique. Now i think green day is in studio to make songs about bread or coffee. I will enjoy lyrics about these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Would love a GD album about coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siddharth_471 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 9 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: I never said it wasn't indicative of a midlife crisis though. If anything, I agree with that fact. For some people, doesn't a midlife crisis include making changes and doing things in attempt to try and hold onto your youth? Please continue telling me how 99 Revolutions is the best song they have ever done. Even the most "childish" and "desperate" song off the trilogy makes more sense than Smells Like Teen Spirit . Just Saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siddharth_471 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Clockwise said: Would love a GD album about coffee. Would love a GD album about potatoes: Dirty Rotten Potatoes Best Potato In Town Ha Ha You're Potato Having A Potato 21 Potatoes Loss Of Potatoes Know Your Potatoes Fell For Potatoes Poprocks & Potatoes Potatoes I Might Have Ate 8th Potato Serenade Stuck With Potatoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 41 minutes ago, Siddharth_471 said: Even the most "childish" and "desperate" song off the trilogy makes more sense than Smells Like Teen Spirit . Just Saying Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said: Please continue telling me how 99 Revolutions is the best song they have ever done. Even the most "childish" and "desperate" song off the trilogy makes more sense than Smells Like Teen Spirit . Just Saying Hush now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Pascale Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 6 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said: Please continue telling me how 99 Revolutions is the best song they have ever done. Even the most "childish" and "desperate" song off the trilogy makes more sense than Smells Like Teen Spirit . Just Saying Actually, it was Billie Joe himself who said 99 Revolutions was the best song he ever wrote, so... Not a fan of it though. Neither a fan of STLS, or Nirvana to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siddharth_471 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Guys don't get me wrong I do love SLTS. All I was trying to say that it itself contains a lyric "it's fun to loose and to pretend" talks about revolution but on the other hand contradicts it as well. I think trilogy was on the same vein but the songs didn't contradicted itself, just a bit thrown up like the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Ham Pascale said: Actually, it was Billie Joe himself who said 99 Revolutions was the best song he ever wrote, so... Not a fan of it though. Neither a fan of STLS, or Nirvana to begin with. He only said one of the best songs But yeah maybe we should stick to talking about the next album rather than the last one, conversations always seem to end up on the trilogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The trilogy has pretty oké lyrics, with maybe the exception of a few. But that doesn't really bother me. I'm still amazed that they wrote that many songs within a few years with pretty good compositions. It's not one of their best work for sure. But with the expectations of the fans/listeners/critics rising up after each albums since AI we were bound to find ourselves less satisfied with an album that would have been released at one point. Right now, it can only get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Highway Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 7 hours ago, Siddharth_471 said: Would love a GD album about potatoes: Dirty Rotten Potatoes Best Potato In Town Ha Ha You're Potato Having A Potato 21 Potatoes Loss Of Potatoes Know Your Potatoes Fell For Potatoes Poprocks & Potatoes Potatoes I Might Have Ate 8th Potato Serenade Stuck With Potatoes Jesus Of Potatoes Boulevard Of Broken Potatoes St. Potatoes Time Of Your Potatoes Basket Potatoes Wake Me Up When Potatoes End Whatserpotatoes Hitchin' A Potato Geek Stink Potato 409 In Your Potato Maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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