Joe Van Winkle Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 27 minutes ago, jordanlolss said: I'm not sure how others feel about this, but for me the "perfect" album length is usually 12-14 songs Any length is good for me. Nimrod and 21CB both had 18 songs and those are great albums. And I was psyched to get 37 new songs with the Trilogy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanlolss Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jake69 said: This was posted by a green day fan Twitter account. I don't know if this is true or not but I decided to post it to discuss it. I'm pretty sure it's not true because I can't find any news to confirm it. They may of posted it for attention but who knows. That's such a vague statement... hahaha "in any moment of this autumn" so... any time within a 3 month period that was already widely rumored.. Okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Van Winkle Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, Jake69 said: This was posted by a green day fan Twitter account. I don't know if this is true or not but I decided to post it to discuss it. I'm pretty sure it's not true because I can't find any news to confirm it. They may of posted it for attention but who knows. The fall is when the album is supposed to come out. The single will most likely come out sooner, like some time in August or September, I'm guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmoGreenDay Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Joe Van Winkle said: The fall is when the album is supposed to come out. The single will most likely come out sooner, like some time in August or September, I'm guessing. Yeah but autumn is a three month period. We could have single at beginning of autumn and album towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 That's a lot of words that don't say anything at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 There's really no reason to speculate on a time line for this album release given how little info we have. Prior albums/conventional wisdom are about as useful as sticking a bunch of dates to a tack board and throwing darts to determine when the album will be released. Artists are constantly releasing music these days with little info being given prior to drop. The point is, there is no point in speculation with this little info, it's making this thread impossible to use. So, to avoid another post about nothing, I'm curious to see how much current music influences Green Day's sound. I've always found them mirroring pop music/ culture to a large extent. I think Dookie and American Idiot are perfect examples of Green Day capturing the zeitgeist of that moment in time. In Dookie's case, you could argue both the sound and themes captured that particular moment in pop music AND pop culture. American Idiot, to my ear, was far more effective at capturing the cultural moment than it was at capturing the musical moment. Pop music is moving heavily toward EDM, and culturally EDM reflects millennial culture quite a bit as well. Obviously GD isn't going to do EDM, though. The successful rock bands today in pop music are capturing that dance flavor by bringing an 80's/funk sound. Kind of like Stray Heart or Kill the DJ. I think that sound is something that would indicate whether or not Green Day is going to remain relevant in pop culture/music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 45 minutes ago, Z J said: There's really no reason to speculate on a time line for this album release given how little info we have. Prior albums/conventional wisdom are about as useful as sticking a bunch of dates to a tack board and throwing darts to determine when the album will be released. Artists are constantly releasing music these days with little info being given prior to drop. The point is, there is no point in speculation with this little info, it's making this thread impossible to use. So, to avoid another post about nothing, I'm curious to see how much current music influences Green Day's sound. I've always found them mirroring pop music/ culture to a large extent. I think Dookie and American Idiot are perfect examples of Green Day capturing the zeitgeist of that moment in time. In Dookie's case, you could argue both the sound and themes captured that particular moment in pop music AND pop culture. American Idiot, to my ear, was far more effective at capturing the cultural moment than it was at capturing the musical moment. Pop music is moving heavily toward EDM, and culturally EDM reflects millennial culture quite a bit as well. Obviously GD isn't going to do EDM, though. The successful rock bands today in pop music are capturing that dance flavor by bringing an 80's/funk sound. Kind of like Stray Heart or Kill the DJ. I think that sound is something that would indicate whether or not Green Day is going to remain relevant in pop culture/music. Now you are just showing off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Z J said: There's really no reason to speculate on a time line for this album release given how little info we have. Prior albums/conventional wisdom are about as useful as sticking a bunch of dates to a tack board and throwing darts to determine when the album will be released. Artists are constantly releasing music these days with little info being given prior to drop. The point is, there is no point in speculation with this little info, it's making this thread impossible to use. So, to avoid another post about nothing, I'm curious to see how much current music influences Green Day's sound. I've always found them mirroring pop music/ culture to a large extent. I think Dookie and American Idiot are perfect examples of Green Day capturing the zeitgeist of that moment in time. In Dookie's case, you could argue both the sound and themes captured that particular moment in pop music AND pop culture. American Idiot, to my ear, was far more effective at capturing the cultural moment than it was at capturing the musical moment. Pop music is moving heavily toward EDM, and culturally EDM reflects millennial culture quite a bit as well. Obviously GD isn't going to do EDM, though. The successful rock bands today in pop music are capturing that dance flavor by bringing an 80's/funk sound. Kind of like Stray Heart or Kill the DJ. I think that sound is something that would indicate whether or not Green Day is going to remain relevant in pop culture/music. I didn't read this because I didn't see any guesses about when the album would be released or what page this thread would be on when we finally heard something. Pfft...waste of time typing what you just did. Now speculate or GTFO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan86 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Anyway back to mindless speculation based on nothing. New Album is out 32/13/3009. It'll be put in a time capsule next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 8 hours ago, Hermione said: Really though it would be silly for warnings to have to be given out or the thread closed over off topic and non-worthwhile posts. Just consider whether what you have to say is on topic and worth saying before you click post and the thread can stay open and not be a chore to read through. Since we're on a new page, I want to make sure this makes it to this page as well. 2 hours ago, Jake69 said: This was posted by a green day fan Twitter account. I don't know if this is true or not but I decided to post it to discuss it. I'm pretty sure it's not true because I can't find any news to confirm it. They may of posted it for attention but who knows. UGH! Major misinterpretation about the news from April where Brian only said the band is in fact recording. http://www.greendayauthority.com/news/5238/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGLWW Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Joe Van Winkle said: Yeah I'm guessing it'll be anywhere between 12 and 18 songs. I'm sure we'll also get some iTunes exclusive B-sides as well. Maybe but didn't the AI b-sides come out much later? I know 21CB were included with the pre-order or at least the covers were. The originals were released at the same time as the singles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Joe Van Winkle said: Yeah I'm guessing it'll be anywhere between 12 and 18 songs. I'm sure we'll also get some iTunes exclusive B-sides as well. I would be very interesting to know what the Bonus songs/B-sides are going to be. AI (Holiday Edition) had Governator, Shoplifter and Too Much Too Soon (a C&V leftover). 21CB had A Quick One (Who cover), Another State of Mind (Social Distortion cover), That's All Right (Elvis cover) and Like A Rolling Stone (Dylan cover). Demolicious had State of Shock. I wonder if we'll only get covers or actual leftovers from recording session, either from previous records or the 12 sessions. I'd love to have Dreamcatcher, Olivia and Cigarettes and Valentines as bonus tracks. 6 minutes ago, Skull Collision 21 said: Maybe but didn't the AI b-sides come out much later? I know 21CB were included with the pre-order or at least the covers were. The originals were released at the same time as the singles AI's B-sides were released as part of the Holiday Edition, which was actually released the same day as AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGLWW Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Dakke said: I would be very interesting to know what the Bonus songs/B-sides are going to be. AI (Holiday Edition) had Governator, Shoplifter and Too Much Too Soon (a C&V leftover). 21CB had A Quick One (Who cover), Another State of Mind (Social Distortion cover), That's All Right (Elvis cover) and Like A Rolling Stone (Dylan cover). Demolicious had State of Shock. I wonder if we'll only get covers or actual leftovers from recording session, either from previous records or the 12 sessions. I'd love to have Dreamcatcher, Olivia and Cigarettes and Valentines as bonus tracks. AI's B-sides were released as part of the Holiday Edition, which was actually released the same day as AI. Ok makes sense. I wasn't sure... I could see cigarettes and valentines being included. Wonder if they would decide to re-record it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Z J said: There's really no reason to speculate on a time line for this album release given how little info we have. Prior albums/conventional wisdom are about as useful as sticking a bunch of dates to a tack board and throwing darts to determine when the album will be released. Artists are constantly releasing music these days with little info being given prior to drop. The point is, there is no point in speculation with this little info, it's making this thread impossible to use. So, to avoid another post about nothing, I'm curious to see how much current music influences Green Day's sound. I've always found them mirroring pop music/ culture to a large extent. I think Dookie and American Idiot are perfect examples of Green Day capturing the zeitgeist of that moment in time. In Dookie's case, you could argue both the sound and themes captured that particular moment in pop music AND pop culture. American Idiot, to my ear, was far more effective at capturing the cultural moment than it was at capturing the musical moment. Pop music is moving heavily toward EDM, and culturally EDM reflects millennial culture quite a bit as well. Obviously GD isn't going to do EDM, though. The successful rock bands today in pop music are capturing that dance flavor by bringing an 80's/funk sound. Kind of like Stray Heart or Kill the DJ. I think that sound is something that would indicate whether or not Green Day is going to remain relevant in pop culture/music. Weel, we have the 'end to pop punk' thing, so I assume they are going with a more gritty sound ala Insomnia or with some Warning influences rather than Dookie like songs. There'll be more punk to it (Billie mentioned a more classic punk rock record in some RS interview), but as mentioned so often before, we have no other clues about the sonical direction of this album. 5 minutes ago, Skull Collision 21 said: Ok makes sense. I wasn't sure... I could see cigarettes and valentines being included. Wonder if they would decide to re-record it? It's something they could easily do during various stages of recording, just as a kind of break. I still think the C&V demos are somewhere around (be that in Tre's backyard or Cavallo's basement). They made the effort to include C&V on Awesome as F*ck, so re-recording tracks should not be too time-consuming. EDIT: they could also release some C&V songs as part of a later 'odds and sodds' album ala Shenanigans. It would also be nice to hear some other Trilogy songs which didn't make the cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGLWW Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 16 minutes ago, Dakke said: Weel, we have the 'end to pop punk' thing, so I assume they are going with a more gritty sound ala Insomnia or with some Warning influences rather than Dookie like songs. There'll be more punk to it (Billie mentioned a more classic punk rock record in some RS interview), but as mentioned so often before, we have no other clues about the sonical direction of this album. It's something they could easily do during various stages of recording, just as a kind of break. I still think the C&V demos are somewhere around (be that in Tre's backyard or Cavallo's basement). They made the effort to include C&V on Awesome as F*ck, so re-recording tracks should not be too time-consuming. EDIT: they could also release some C&V songs as part of a later 'odds and sodds' album ala Shenanigans. It would also be nice to hear some other Trilogy songs which didn't make the cut. I doubt that they would release anymore trilogy songs but if you combine past unreleased tracks from 2002ish to 2009 with the newest album sessions you could maybe get enough for a new shenanigans. But everything from shenanigans was not new, so we may already have most of what's worth hearing from itunes b-sides and bonus tracks. Shenanigans was really a product of the time period. Those tracks weren't as well circulated online because you mainly got b-sides from vinyl in the mid-90's. The internet has changed the way we get bonus tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, Skull Collision 21 said: I doubt that they would release anymore trilogy songs but if you combine past unreleased tracks from 2002ish to 2009 with the newest album sessions you could maybe get enough for a new shenanigans. But everything from shenanigans was not new, so we may already have most of what's worth hearing from itunes b-sides and bonus tracks. Shenanigans was really a product of the time period. Those tracks weren't as well circulated online because you mainly got b-sides from vinyl in the mid-90's. The internet has changed the way we get bonus tracks True. Shenanigans was released at a time one could describe as a nadir for the band (although they did the Pop Disaster tour with Blink). As for the role of the internet, I think many hardcore fans (the audience for a rarities/leftovers album in the first place) prefer to have C&V songs on CD with proper studio quality as opposed to the noisy, mushy live recordings we have from e. g. Olivia. The internet facilitates the diffusion of such songs, but there is something to be said for an official version of these tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxXxXxXxX Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Z J said: Pop music is moving heavily toward EDM, and culturally EDM reflects millennial culture quite a bit as well. Obviously GD isn't going to do EDM, though. god EDM sucks. I was a security guard for Spring Awakening music festival (all EDM) for 3 days. I never want to hear another fucking electronic song in my life. Its just so... repetitive... and annoying. It was fun people watching though. sorry that was a little off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 45 minutes ago, Jake69 said: I figured that out. That Twitter account got people excited for no reason. Yep, and I let the person know that on twitter. They didn't understand what they did wrong, and I thinks it's due to a language barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeNimrod97 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 A perfect length for an album to me is anywhere from 10-18 tracks with a length no longer than 80 minutes. I think this should be a 14-track album with an accompanying B-side album with B-sides from the singles, released at a later date. A similar formula has been done by a few bands and quite often has the B-side album worked as a standalone album for the people who didn't buy the singles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGLWW Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Dakke said: True. Shenanigans was released at a time one could describe as a nadir for the band (although they did the Pop Disaster tour with Blink). As for the role of the internet, I think many hardcore fans (the audience for a rarities/leftovers album in the first place) prefer to have C&V songs on CD with proper studio quality as opposed to the noisy, mushy live recordings we have from e. g. Olivia. The internet facilitates the diffusion of such songs, but there is something to be said for an official version of these tracks. Yeah for some reason, I don't think they will release all of C&V yet. Maybe a few tracks at most in a compilation but again if there isn't enough for a full album maybe they will just release all of C&V to sort of go along with the new album. I know they've said that they want to release everything they've ever done at some point, but doubt that would happen anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Shall we speculate? "Special guests" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 bloodyhellmattwhatyadointous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksCoEric Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 The special guests are obviously mojo and brody guys use your heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Van Winkle Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Jake69 said: Most likely they won't play this gig. I'm not trying to get my hopes up. Yeah, if they were playing this show, they'd be a headliner. But you never know, this could in fact be one of their pre album release secret shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 4 hours ago, XxXxXxXxX said: god EDM sucks. I was a security guard for Spring Awakening music festival (all EDM) for 3 days. I never want to hear another fucking electronic song in my life. Its just so... repetitive... and annoying. It was fun people watching though. sorry that was a little off topic. you know that thing about throwing stones in glass houses.... Green Day has made their living on repetition, and I certainly don't mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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