Ryan Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, petros said: I'm not convinced at all that that's sign that the album is produced by him but I said they should be produced by Rick Rubin about a week ago You're so smart! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGLWW Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Maybe it's a good sign that Rubin might be interested in or is producing the new album. Could have heard a few tracks, really liked them and decided to move on from some other bands. Small chance I guess, but maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I was looking through Rick Ruben's discography and noticed that he produced "The Saints Are Coming". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Oh yes, you're right, had forgotten that! I really like that cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_•Whatsername•_ Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 As I said before in the Instagram thread I try not to take everything they post or write as a clue, even though sometimes i tend to get excited. Maybe be Billie just likes the way Rick Rubin works. But it might also be a clue who knows?? I'm not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan86 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I know when Metallica worked with Rubin they said he would show up at the studio and listen to what the band was experimenting with then basically say "do more of this type of thing and do less of this" then he'd go missing for a few weeks and return and do the same thing again. This hands off approach to making a record might explain why no producer is linked with this new album. Rick might not actually be with the band a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rubin completely butchered so many good albums I would be really scared if he was announced as producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Yeah, it doesn't make me too excited. I'd rather them just do it themselves with Chris Dugan. SDAR just sounds so good, come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, Alan86 said: I know when Metallica worked with Rubin they said he would show up at the studio and listen to what the band was experimenting with then basically say "do more of this type of thing and do less of this" then he'd go missing for a few weeks and return and do the same thing again. This hands off approach to making a record might explain why no producer is linked with this new album. Rick might not actually be with the band a whole lot. Corey Taylor from Slipknot said the same thing, although he didn't exactly frame it in a positive light lol. Not sure how I would feel about it if it's true GD are/were working with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Harry Potter. said: Rubin completely butchered so many good albums I would be really scared if he was announced as producer. I'm not sure what ones you think he butchered, but the guy has a hell of a lot more hits than misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 If Rubin is the producer this album will be their most expensive album they've done as Rubin fee is nearly half a million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan86 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: If Rubin is the producer this album will be their most expensive album they've done as Rubin fee is nearly half a million Is it possible Warner/Reprise would cover things like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Alan86 said: Is it possible Warner/Reprise would cover things like this? It comes out of GDs budget yes label "covers" the cost but before the bands get royalties labels will recover the cost they spent on recording costs and marketing costs before the artists gets their cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan86 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, localinsomniac said: Corey Taylor from Slipknot said the same thing, although he didn't exactly frame it in a positive light lol. Not sure how I would feel about it if it's true GD are/were working with him. I think Metallica were pretty positive about his approach at the time. That opinion may or may not have changed since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, localinsomniac said: Corey Taylor from Slipknot said the same thing, although he didn't exactly frame it in a positive light lol. Not sure how I would feel about it if it's true GD are/were working with him. However, Shawn Crahan and Jim Root had nothing but nice things to say. I know they could have been towing the party line, but who really knows. Not everyone is going to get along. Supposedly Billie and Butch Vig didn't get along and look what they produced together. One of my favorites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: If Rubin is the producer this album will be their most expensive album they've done as Rubin fee is nearly half a million Yeah, but any producer with a vaunted discography will be expensive to get hold of. Besides, shooting music videos also costs money, depending on how many videos and how elaborate they want to make them (21CB had four videos, AI had 5 and the trilogy 5). If it delivers, I am all in favor of them spending some money on a producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disappearing_boy_39 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I suppose I'm in the minority since I enjoyed the manic, bloated, grab-bag approach they took with the Trilogy. It features some of the band's best songs (Stay The Night, Lazy Bones, X-Kid) and seemed to be a great attempt to step away from the concept album formula. But if they don't use Rob Cavallo this time around, it will be interesting as this will only be the second time since signing to a major label that they aren't using him. I'm not sure if Rick Rubin's the right choice though. Rubin is obviously a skilled producer but (as many have pointed out) there have been criticisms...most notably, over compressing and not showing up to the studio. If I remember correctly, I think Rivers Cuomo said that Rubin guided Weezer during the Make Believe sessions but didn't show up a lot. But who knows if giving the artist space is a good or bad thing? It all depends. Hopefully, we'll know what's up soon enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Personally I am very fond of Butch Vig. I think he succeeded in giving 21CB a distinguishing sound compared to AI. His discography pre- and post-21CB is nothing to scoff at either (Nevermind, Wasting Light...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenXIdiot Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It seems it would almost be better if they (Green Day and whatever producer they are actually with) weren't too friendly. I think that Cavallo got to be too friendly and didn't tell the whole truth about some of those songs that made it onto the trilogy. If they have a disinterested producer they might end up with a better product this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudley dawson Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rubin would be a great choice. He (hopefully) won't compress/filter the hell out of BJ's vocals like Vig and Cavallo did (for the Trilogy). That isn't his MO. Listen to any of the RHCP albums he's done. Regardless if you like the songs or not, they all at least SOUND great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, GenXIdiot said: It seems it would almost be better if they weren't too friendly. I think that Cavallo got to be too friendly and didn't tell the whole truth about some of those songs that made it onto the trilogy. If they have a disinterested producer they might end up with a better product this time around. I agree, the trilogy would have fared better with some trimming and it seems to me in retrospect that, after watching Quatro! and videos from that era, they were a little bit delusional about the impact the trilogy would have. Someone like Butch could give a more neutral opinion and subtly push the guys to show their full potential as compared to Cavallo who is very amiable, but too wont to agree with their (sometimes flawed) choices. I still think three albums was too much, but that's another discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, GenXIdiot said: It seems it would almost be better if they (Green Day and whatever producer they are actually with) weren't too friendly. I think that Cavallo got to be too friendly and didn't tell the whole truth about some of those songs that made it onto the trilogy. If they have a disinterested producer they might end up with a better product this time around. I don't think that it was that Rob wouldn't tell the truth, I think he is too close to them to be objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedundantIdiot Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Last year when Cavallo said that he'd heard five songs that Billlie had demoed, I expected that Cavallo would work with them for this album, but it would be great if it was Rubin who was working with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleIron1039 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 This may be a very dumb question, but I genuinely don't know the answer, so I'm going to ask it. How big of a difference does production really make? I mean, if it's between mediocre and good production. I know that some bands have taken production into their own hands. However, albums produced by members of the group usually seem to be criticized heavily for bad production (for instance, I guess maybe Steve Harris' being overeager to make his bass as loud as possible on the X-Factor, even at the expense of the guitars), and I really can't think of many records that have been lauded as having excellent production. Comments on that aspect seem to usually be negative, or at least in my experience. In summation, I guess that I'm just asking for what an example of great production would be and for a demonstration of how substantial a difference that would make in the sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 31 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: However, Shawn Crahan and Jim Root had nothing but nice things to say. I know they could have been towing the party line, but who really knows. Not everyone is going to get along. Supposedly Billie and Butch Vig didn't get along and look what they produced together. One of my favorites That's interesting about Billie & Butch, I hadn't heard that. Any idea what they could have butted heads over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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