localinsomniac Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I can see management/record execs wanting to maximize publicity around blink's album (can't wait for that), but I'm not sure it's on the band's radar. Just my $0.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¡Nunes! Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Rock in Rio (Brazil) opened a survey asking which band we'd like to see here in 2017 edition, Green Day doesn't even appears on the suggested list. But I think it's good news as I am afraid they continue to play mainly in festivals as they were at the end (can we call it an end?) of 99 Revolutions tour. http://rockinrio.com/rio/pesquisa-2017/?key=2c1a16f126144d9c0fe5c927e54d470a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin1 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: The record company spacing out the album releases for two similar bands, that they both manage is logical and highly likely. A band wanting to delay a record release to not "steal another bands thunder" is poor business practice. The fact that both bands have been around for 25+ years, and both, especially GD, shows that this is not a situation that is likely to cross their minds. And it shouldn't. They are not in business to make sure the other is successful. If they thought that way they would not still both be around. Also, considering both bands are on different record labels, it is highly unlikely that they would delay the GD release because Blink's just came out, but it is not an impossibility. If you read my post, I agree that a record label might do that. However his statement said that the band would not want to steal Blink's thunder. A good business band would never delay a record release not to steal someones thunder. They would delay not to compete with that band, but they would never do it not to steal their thunder. I really don't think Green Day themselves decide when the album comes out anyway, I'm pretty sure it's their Management. They have managers to make sure they put the album out at the smartest time for the highest likeliness of success, including times when they aren't competing with similar bands (Especially bands like blink 182 and sum 41, probably their biggest competiton) people only have so much money to spend on music and concerts ? When I said 'steal the bands thunder' I was implying business lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Justin1 said: I really don't think Green Day themselves decide when the album comes out anyway, I'm pretty sure it's their Management. They have managers to make sure they put the album out at the smartest time for the highest likeliness of success, including times when they aren't competing with similar bands (Especially bands like blink 182 and sum 41, probably their biggest competiton) people only have so much money to spend on music and concerts ? When I said 'steal the bands thunder' I was implying business lol. You just said exactly what I just said to you. I already said that it is managements decision. The steal the thunder comment does not imply management, it implies an emotional response to a business decision. Plus you threw out that they are friends, management does not take that into their decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin1 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: You just said exactly what I just said to you. I already said that it is managements decision. The steal the thunder comment does not imply management, it implies an emotional response to a business decision. Plus you threw out that they are friends, management does not take that into their decision To me, the term 'stealing someone's Thunder' can be interpreted as competing on a business level as well. Sounds like we're on the same page overall though I just hope all these new albums are good and inspire some youth to step it up and make some new good pop/punk bands because we can't rely on these bands forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: Why would you think that people would buy Blink's single before GD when GD is by far the better selling artist? And is by far the more successful band? I personally would think the exact opposite. Blink-182 has been hyping up their first album in 5 years with a big member replaced for months now. Green Day hasn't made any big announcements. If Green Day released a song in the same timeframe as Blink's album, then most genre fans would buy Blink's album because that's where the hype has been recently, along with the two other factors I've stated above (first album in 5 years, new member). So that's my response to your questions even though I don't think this is worth discussing. Simply put, both of the labels know that the fanbases of the two bands largely overlap, and so they obviously wouldn't want to release new music in a similar timeframe. Edit: On a sidenote it's probable Green Day has forever fallen out of the very mainstream (ie. American Idiot, 21st CB eras) and they will never return to such glory days because the only time the public heard of Green Day in the last 7 years was "one fucking minute". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, Harry Potter. said: Blink-182 has been hyping up their first album in 5 years with a big member replaced for months now. Green Day hasn't made any big announcements. If Green Day released a song in the same timeframe as Blink's album, then most genre fans would buy Blink's album because that's where the hype has been recently, along with the two other factors I've stated above (first album in 5 years, new member). So that's my response to your questions even though I don't think this is worth discussing. Simply put, both of the labels know that the fanbases of the two bands largely overlap, and so they obviously wouldn't want to release new music in a similar timeframe. Edit: On a sidenote it's probable Green Day has forever fallen out of the very mainstream (ie. American Idiot, 21st CB eras) and they will never return to such glory days because the only time the public heard of Green Day in the last 7 years was "one fucking minute". First, who gives a shit about a genre. GD has never been pigeon-holed into a genre. They have sold well amongst all types age groups and genres. I see no reason why that would continue. Most people buy music they like not just a certain type of genre. The Blink album has been hyped amongst the fans that really follow it, but not in the general mainstream. I know plenty of people that have never heard of Blink 182 and would not give a shit about a new member. GD will most likely not achieve the success they did with AI, but they don't have too. You are saying they are out of the mainstream but from what I see Blink never really was. They are one of the best pop-punk bands ever, but never achieved the mainstream success that GD has. So, people are more likely to go "oh a new GD sogn" then "oh look a new Blink song". What it comes down too, given similar promotion once the album is released, the better song will most likely sell better. Honestly, Blink has already lost out by releasing the same time as RHCP releasing Dark Necessities. I forgot to add, the general populace has forgotten iheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenXIdiot Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 15 minutes ago, Harry Potter. said: Edit: On a sidenote it's probable Green Day has forever fallen out of the very mainstream (ie. American Idiot, 21st CB eras) and they will never return to such glory days because the only time the public heard of Green Day in the last 7 years was "one fucking minute". I disagree, I think this new album is going to be epic, it's going to be well promoted, and Green Day is going to make a respectable comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Friends or not Green Day don't mind stealing Blink 182's thunder, they did it every night of the Pop Disaster tour! Tre did an interview during it where he totally trashed them (albeit playfully), saying Blink "almost wanted to quit the tour because they were getting smoked so bad" by them and stuff. They would openly say that although they went on first their show was better. They might have toured together years ago and be friendly towards each other but they're hardly best friends, pretty sure there's a long list of bands they're much closer to. But yeah bands don't decide when to release albums based on when their friend's bands are releasing them and no band would expect another to change when they released an album as some kind of favour, it's understood among all of them that they'll release an album when it's best for themselves. I agree they probably wouldn't want to release an album at the exact same time as Blink 182 though (and the same vice versa if Green Day had one ready to release first), no sense in giving yourself competition when you could wait a bit and have all the limelight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary711 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I would be totally happy with early entry again. It was the best and made tour life so much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siddharth_471 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 On 31/05/2016 at 8:06 PM, thatdude03 said: Come on. We all know that if it weren't for Billie being sidelined, the Trilogy would have been the biggest success of their career. They were going to promote the crap out of that thing and 2012-2014 would have been the Reign of Green Day. But things happen, and after Uno all we got was a strange "Stray Heart" music video and two singles from Tre that went nowhere. And (in my opinion) the songs were solid. The artwork was decent. Sure there were a few weak spots (Troublemaker, Makeout Party, Lady Cobra, Amanda) but I enjoyed it from front to back. That being said....I really hope the new album goes in a NEW direction. The Trilogy was awesome like everything Green Day, but each album needs it's own flavor. I'm all for darker, louder, meaner, sadder this time around. Sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Harry Potter. said: Edit: On a sidenote it's probable Green Day has forever fallen out of the very mainstream (ie. American Idiot, 21st CB eras) and they will never return to such glory days because the only time the public heard of Green Day in the last 7 years was "one fucking minute". People were saying similar things after Warning – as good as it was – was a commercial flop. Maybe they don't have another resurgence in them, but I'm not going to count them out just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sara_gd Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I know hardly nothing about the music business, but couldn't it make sense if their labels actually tried to have both releases (GD and Blink) around the same time to suscite headlines/talks of the kind of "punk pop is back", "the music you liked from the 90s renewed", etc? I personally wouldn't enjoy this because it would lead to get them compared to each other, and maybe it would get sales off one of the bands or both, but couldn't it also be that it would promote both bands / the "genre"? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Just now, sara_gd said: I know hardly nothing about music business, but couldn't it make sense if their labels actually tried to have both releases (GD and Blink) around the same time to suscite headlines/talks of the kind of "punk pop is back", "the music you liked from the 90s renewed", etc? I personally wouldn't enjoy this because it would lead to get them compared to each other, and maybe it would get sales off one of the bands or both, but couldn't it also be that it would promote both bands / the "genre"? Just a thought. They wouldn't do that because each label wants their respective bands to sell as many copies as possible. I realize this is a Green Day forum, but rationally speaking, there's a lot of fans of the genre (who are a big factor in overall sales now that Green Day has largely fallen out of the mainstream) who would buy Blink over Green Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, sara_gd said: I know hardly nothing about the music business, but couldn't it make sense if their labels actually tried to have both releases (GD and Blink) around the same time to suscite headlines/talks of the kind of "punk pop is back", "the music you liked from the 90s renewed", etc? I personally wouldn't enjoy this because it would lead to get them compared to each other, and maybe it would get sales off one of the bands or both, but couldn't it also be that it would promote both bands / the "genre"? Just a thought. One small problem with the "pop punk is back" headline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sara_gd Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Harry Potter. said: They wouldn't do that because each label wants their respective bands to sell as many copies as possible. I realize this is a Green Day forum, but rationally speaking, there's a lot of fans of the genre (who are a big factor in overall sales now that Green Day has largely fallen out of the mainstream) who would buy Blink over Green Day. Yep I meant if couldn't they do that to promote both albums sales. I mean, if 'whatever genre' music is now popular, people would buy more of that music than if it was a solely album by a band of the genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 1 minute ago, sara_gd said: Yep I meant if couldn't they do that to promote both albums sales. I mean, if 'whatever genre' music is now popular, people would buy more of that music than if it was a solely album by a band of the genre. That would be risky since there's no guarantee that this would in fact bring pop punk back to the mainstream, and I'm not sure if the labels would be up for such a risk. 1 hour ago, JJ1964 said: First, who gives a shit about a genre. GD has never been pigeon-holed into a genre. They have sold well amongst all types age groups and genres. I see no reason why that would continue. Most people buy music they like not just a certain type of genre. The Blink album has been hyped amongst the fans that really follow it, but not in the general mainstream. I know plenty of people that have never heard of Blink 182 and would not give a shit about a new member. There's a big amount of sales that could come out of fans of the genre, which a lot of people still care about, past the general audience who listens to most music on the radio. 1 hour ago, JJ1964 said: GD will most likely not achieve the success they did with AI, but they don't have too. You are saying they are out of the mainstream but from what I see Blink never really was. They are one of the best pop-punk bands ever, but never achieved the mainstream success that GD has. So, people are more likely to go "oh a new GD sogn" then "oh look a new Blink song". Blink-182 was one of the biggest bands on the planet at the turn of the century and that's evident in their sales. 1 hour ago, JJ1964 said: What it comes down too, given similar promotion once the album is released, the better song will most likely sell better. Everyone has different views on what "good" music is. With that being said, if good music is what sells, why is Meghan Trainor on the Billboard 200? 1 hour ago, JJ1964 said: I forgot to add, the general populace has forgotten iheart. That's not true, as half of the comments by general audiences on this thread are jokes about iHeart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 29 minutes ago, Harry Potter. said: They wouldn't do that because each label wants their respective bands to sell as many copies as possible. I realize this is a Green Day forum, but rationally speaking, there's a lot of fans of the genre (who are a big factor in overall sales now that Green Day has largely fallen out of the mainstream) who would buy Blink over Green Day. I dont think that is,rational at all. Of the genre, possibly, but that is a very, very small population. GD has a much more diverse fan base and are played on more types of stations. Hubby is not a punk fan and has never heard of blink, that holds true for many people that I know. Which is one of the reasons GD has more than doubled blinks record sales. Plus, even in the genre, most people would probably listen to the songs before deciding which is better. They would not just say I'm buying blink because I like them better and vice versa. They would buy the song they like or both of them if they like both. Honestly Bored to Death is ok at best. I don't see it winning over many new,fans. I listen to an alternative station and they do play, but the rotation is getting smaller. As opposed to dark necessities which I think is played every hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 It'll be out when it's out, regardless of other bands' schedules. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Yeah...well Blink is fucking horrendous and Green Day isn't. That's all that needs to be said regarding the two albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 If they are even considering to put the release of the new album on hold I would think the upcoming elections are more likely the reason, not the new Blink album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sara_gd Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 20 hours ago, XxXxXxXxX said: It would be nice to get tour dates early for trip planning. I want to go to as many shows as possible that will work with my schedule. There is a Reading and Leeds announcement Friday -- Could it be? I don't know where you saw this but the line-up seems to be complete at this point, as it reads "full line-up" and there's big acts each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I put off planing my summer break because of this but I'm waiting no longer. (But I'm still praying for a Berlin date so I have an excuse for a one more small trip.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxXxXxXxX Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 1 hour ago, sara_gd said: I don't know where you saw this but the line-up seems to be complete at this point, as it reads "full line-up" and there's big acts each day. It's probably not related to a new performer but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 9 hours ago, XxXxXxXxX said: It's probably not related to a new performer but you never know. Doubt it, the stage lineups are all announced, I know because I'm begging my girlfriend to come with me on the Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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