Billie Joe plays with Jesse Malin, Jason White, in NYC for New Years

[solongfromthestars]

6 minutes ago, JJ1964 said:

I agree with everyone that Billie is an individual and can do as he pleases.  It really isn't a concern of mine or any fan, what he does with his private life, because it is just that, his private life.  But, I can understand the comments.  

The truth is, being an addict of any kind is not curable.  Once you are an addict, you are always an addict, that is just their personalities.  When people enter rehab, they are not taught how to moderate their behavior because they can't.  They are taught to substitute the harmful addiction for another less harmful addiction.  That is why you often see recovering addicts turn to religion as a substitute.  However, there are exceptions to every rule.  I'm sure there are addicts out there that have learned to moderate their behavior, but I believe that is the exception to the rule.  So, seeing any recovering alcoholic with a drink is generally a cause for alarm.   

I wanted to say that but wasn't sure how to phrase it and you said it really well. I think it's very rare that an addict is able to go back to the substance they have an issue with, so I do get people being worried.

But yeah, we'll never know whether he is or isn't an exception to the rule unless he says something, so no speculation is helpful.

[Iva]

Glad that people like the two of you exist, @Maria Gloria and @JJ1964. <3 

Nothing else to add, except that I'm glad that the guy edited the hashtags. It almost looked that he would've enjoyed to see Billie fall. 

[desertrose]

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Billy Joe Armstrong (Green Day) rang in the New Year at Berlin with a ragtag supergroup Steve Van Zandt on guitar and Jesse Malin . What a night!!!??? amazing covers from Sonic Reducer to Bank Robber and then one of punk rocks best Teenage Kicks Happy New Year everyone,

 

 

 

[Hermione]

56 minutes ago, JJ1964 said:

I agree with everyone that Billie is an individual and can do as he pleases.  It really isn't a concern of mine or any fan, what he does with his private life, because it is just that, his private life.  But, I can understand the comments.  

The truth is, being an addict of any kind is not curable.  Once you are an addict, you are always an addict, that is just their personalities.  When people enter rehab, they are not taught how to moderate their behavior because they can't.  They are taught to substitute the harmful addiction for another less harmful addiction.  That is why you often see recovering addicts turn to religion as a substitute.  However, there are exceptions to every rule.  I'm sure there are addicts out there that have learned to moderate their behavior, but I believe that is the exception to the rule.  So, seeing any recovering alcoholic with a drink is generally a cause for alarm.   

True, but in his case he's been being seen with a drink on occasion for the last 2 years or so and nothing alarming has happened . Plus he wasn't even seen with a drink, it's just people saying he looks drunk (because smiling/not having your eyes wide open/having fun on stage equals drunk obviously). So not that much reason for alarm imo.

Is there a setlist for this?

[Chin for a Day]

5 minutes ago, Hermione said:

True, but in his case he's been being seen with a drink on occasion for the last 2 years or so and nothing alarming has happened . Plus he wasn't even seen with a drink, it's just people saying he looks drunk (because smiling/not having your eyes wide open/having fun on stage equals drunk obviously). So not that much reason for alarm imo.

Is there a setlist for this?

I'm not saying he was or he wasn't drunk, nor was I saying I'm alarmed.  I was talking addiction in general and what I stated is accurate.  Plus, you don't know what has happened in his private life.  So you really can't say that nothing has happened, all you can say is nothing has happened in public.  How he deals with his addiction and how he handles it is a very private matter.  IT is really not for us to say whether he is handling it or not handling it, only him and the people he is close too know for sure.       

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

12 minutes ago, Hermione said:

True, but in his case he's been being seen with a drink on occasion for the last 2 years or so and nothing alarming has happened . Plus he wasn't even seen with a drink, it's just people saying he looks drunk (because smiling/not having your eyes wide open/having fun on stage equals drunk obviously). So not that much reason for alarm imo.

Is there a setlist for this?

Have you read the last two pages? That guitarist guy who was with him said he was really drunk, it's not just a bunch of people guessing based on photos. Anyway some of us are just concerned for his health as he is an alcoholic who was drunk years after being in rehab an expressing how serious his addiction was...it's worrying that's all I have to say.

[Hermione]

38 minutes ago, JJ1964 said:

I'm not saying he was or he wasn't drunk, nor was I saying I'm alarmed.  I was talking addiction in general and what I stated is accurate.  Plus, you don't know what has happened in his private life.  So you really can't say that nothing has happened, all you can say is nothing has happened in public.  How he deals with his addiction and how he handles it is a very private matter.  IT is really not for us to say whether he is handling it or not handling it, only him and the people he is close too know for sure.       

I agree, I just don't think there's a lot of point in anyone getting alarmed when we don't know and even the potentially "worrying signs" associated with alcoholism in general haven't led to anything happening in the past that we know about. If he looked a mess or there was any indication that he was having problems I'd understand being concerned but as it is that isn't the case and all we know for sure is he celebrated New Year with his family, played a cool show and rocked a retro shirt so I don't see a lot of point in getting worried.

[Fuzz]

34 minutes ago, st_trillie said:

Have you read the last two pages? That guitarist guy who was with him said he was really drunk, it's not just a bunch of people guessing based on photos. Anyway some of us are just concerned for his health as he is an alcoholic who was drunk years after being in rehab an expressing how serious his addiction was...it's worrying that's all I have to say.

While we all want him to be healthy, having people sit around worried because he's had some drinks isn't good. As Hermione said, we've known for a while that he decided not to stay away from alcohol. Not every person who has gone to rehab has to avoid alcohol like the plague or completely fall apart. So having people talk about it here as if they know better does no one any good.

[Private Ale.]

I pretty much agree with everything that's been said but i think that guy was stating that he is drunk because he knows the iHeart thing ,this can be a reason for other people to write comments like that.While something bad happens and some people move forward , other people like to bring it back in the first chance they get.I will sound prejudiced but i think this guy wrote it especially thinking of iHeart and stuff. I have never celebrated new year in europe or America but i know it's not a big deal to drink in NYE there.Everyone knows.

 

Billie avoids to say "Am i just stoned?" in Basket Case performances.It means something.And he can write "is armstrong" i always had typing problems too ,wtf does it have to do with this? 

 

Scattered was a great choice but i wish The Grouch was played.I hope they will remember that song and start playing it again.

[solongfromthestars]

45 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

While we all want him to be healthy, having people sit around worried because he's had some drinks isn't good. As Hermione said, we've known for a while that he decided not to stay away from alcohol. Not every person who has gone to rehab has to avoid alcohol like the plague or completely fall apart. So having people talk about it here as if they know better does no one any good.

Why is it better to speculate that than the other way around, though? Like Judi said, we can't know what's happened in his private life (nor should we) and nothing happening publicly doesn't really mean anything. So we can't know that he has actually decided that. I'm not saying at all that he does still have an issue - he may well be able to handle a drink now, it's none of my business - or that we should be worried about him, I just don't think it's any better to make positive statements than negative ones when we don't know. Unless I'm missing something he's said, that is.

[Fuzz]

35 minutes ago, Maria Gloria said:

Why is it better to speculate that than the other way around, though? Like Judi said, we can't know what's happened in his private life (nor should we) and nothing happening publicly doesn't really mean anything. So we can't know that he has actually decided that. I'm not saying at all that he does still have an issue - he may well be able to handle a drink now, it's none of my business - or that we should be worried about him, I just don't think it's any better to make positive statements than negative ones when we don't know. Unless I'm missing something he's said, that is.

No one is making positive statements about it. Me and Hermione are just telling people, in the nicest possible way, that they're jumping to their own conclusions about something that none of us really know anything about. People making negative comments and assumptions about someone's health and sobriety isn't a good thing for our community

[Hermione]

37 minutes ago, Maria Gloria said:

Why is it better to speculate that than the other way around, though? Like Judi said, we can't know what's happened in his private life (nor should we) and nothing happening publicly doesn't really mean anything. So we can't know that he has actually decided that. I'm not saying at all that he does still have an issue - he may well be able to handle a drink now, it's none of my business - or that we should be worried about him, I just don't think it's any better to make positive statements than negative ones when we don't know. Unless I'm missing something he's said, that is.

As far as whether he can handle a drink or whether he's had any problems privately I'm neutral, I have no idea and it's his business. But he's never said he was never going to drink again and has already been seen with a beer can in his hand a few times since his rehab, so although that doesn't tell us whether he's perfectly fine with it or not it does indicate that him having a drink probably shouldn't be a sudden cause for fans to be alarmed. Some fans seem to assume he's vowed to be teetotal for life so they freak out whenever he's near a drop of alcohol, but he hasn't so that level of worrying is unwarranted.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

15 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

While we all want him to be healthy, having people sit around worried because he's had some drinks isn't good. As Hermione said, we've known for a while that he decided not to stay away from alcohol. Not every person who has gone to rehab has to avoid alcohol like the plague or completely fall apart. So having people talk about it here as if they know better does no one any good.

I completely agree that discussing it here won't help him, I probably wouldn't even have said anything after posting the picture but people made the joke about getting another album like the trilogy and I pointed out his health is more important and that would be a concern for me (rather than finding it funny). I doubt anyone is going to sit around worried about him though...I hope they all have real concerns in their own lives! Realistically we never had any clue that Billie had any issues until iheart actually happened and clearly he had many so I guess we don't know how he's really doing but I just hope he is ok. Done discussing it though 

[Beerjeezus]

Worrying about this is actually pretty pointless because there's no way of knowing if there's anything to worry about anyway

As to the guy who took the photo: it was sort of a cheap thing to do. Especially, if he knows him. 

Edit: also I started this not trillie. 

[solongfromthestars]

41 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

No one is making positive statements about it. Me and Hermione are just telling people, in the nicest possible way, that they're jumping to their own conclusions about something that none of us really know anything about. People making negative comments and assumptions about someone's health and sobriety isn't a good thing for our community

Oh I definitely agree with that, and I just want to clarify that I wasn't intending to encourage any negative assumptions which is why I initially didn't say much.

Anyway, hopefully there'll be some new photos/videos or a setlist soon.

[desertrose]

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[Brutal-xkid2]

Youve got no life? Who cares if hes drunk or not. Talk about if anyone Billie about the new album

[MSteve1232000]

When has he been "seen with a drink" in the last few years? I definitely haven't ever seen evidence or heard of this. I was under the impression he was completely sober.

I mean it's definitely not anyone's business. I mean I'll devil's advocate and say if he has been drinking in public, I'll say it's noteworthy at best, given that he also publicly talked about going to rehab. But I definitely think things like the "hessodrunk" hashtag could just be a joke. I suspect we're reading too much into it, and ultimately, yes, who cares, it's his life.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

1 hour ago, Brutal-xkid2 said:

Youve got no life? Who cares if hes drunk or not. Talk about if anyone Billie about the new album

This isn't a dictatorship. If it was Fuzz would be dictator but he isn't dumb enough to tell us to talk about the new album (that doesn't exist yet) in the thread about Billie and Jason playing in NYC on New Years Eve. 

[PursuitOfEpicness]

He honestly does not some drunk, just assumed that one guy met himself or something. Either way, seemed really immature. I wouldn't worry, he seems to be doing well. I don't know why he would get trashed a show with his family, that's messed up. 

[Alan86]

I'm drunk right now. It's great, rock on Billie boy

[Beerjeezus]

12 hours ago, Brutal-xkid2 said:

Youve got no life? Who cares if hes drunk or not. Talk about if anyone Billie about the new album

I'm listening to it right now. It sucks. 

[Beerjeezus]

12 hours ago, MSteve1232000 said:

When has he been "seen with a drink" in the last few years? I definitely haven't ever seen evidence or heard of this. I was under the impression he was completely sober.

I mean it's definitely not anyone's business. I mean I'll devil's advocate and say if he has been drinking in public, I'll say it's noteworthy at best, given that he also publicly talked about going to rehab. But I definitely think things like the "hessodrunk" hashtag could just be a joke. I suspect we're reading too much into it, and ultimately, yes, who cares, it's his life.

He's been seen with a beer or a glass of wine but not ~drunk.

I agree, this surely isn't our business but I'd say it's not surprising that fans talk about it. 

[Heather.]

I worry about Billie Joe, I want him to be happy and healthy, but other than that it's his life and he can do what he wants.  He may be happy and healthy and got drunk.  OK.  

[desertrose]

Amanda Cross ‏@_AmandaCross Jan 2 Brooklyn, NY

Rang in 2016 singing with Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day. Such a nice guy. Happy New Year!