Hermione Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I would hardly call QotSA and TCV amazing, and I don't think Dave had much of a say in anything creatively with Nirvana but I could be wrong. If so, props to him for that. I really don't understand how somebody could possibly like Foo Fighters more than FOB, opinions aside. Listen to the last three FOB records compared to the last three FF ones. Foo Fighters are just cookie cutter rock and there isn't really anything going on but. FOB is a lot more varied and there is a lot more experimentation with different sounds and styles than on quite possibly anything that Dave has been a part of. Not to mention that it's successful with critics and fans alike. They also managed to basically reinvent themselves after being one of the most popular pop punk bands around, and are still totally relevant today. This only really proves that they are catchy and likeable, which is pretty subjective so whatever haha. What isn't subjective (to me anyway) is how much more there is to find in their music. I'm sure Dave is a nice guy I guess but I don't know, that doesn't really matter. Also didn't he say something about music is only made with guitars or some bullshit relatively along those lines? That attitude is incredibly stupid and unfortunately prevalent in a lot of places on the internet. FYI, I enjoyed Wasting Light a lot and obviously I love Nirvana. There is nothing inherently wrong with his output, I just find it so... whatever. It's just there. This is getting pretty broken recordy so I'll probably stop replying because I'm sure you have lots of better things to do, but I just can't accept that Dave Grohl is a better musician or artist than FOB as a group. It is not true and an insult to creativity and popular music. Well I would call them amazing . I agree that FOB is more creative than Foo Fighters in that they've experimented more, but I think the Foo Fighters music is better than FOB's in that it sounds good, is played skillfully, and doesn't hurt my ears or make me cringe. And I'd say his contributions to QOTSA and TCV are very creative. But it's a matter of personal taste when it comes to deciding whether he makes better music than FOB really, my point is just that I don't see much reason to hate on him. Okay, NOW I stop talking about this. Maybe I should as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie, get your gun Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Fall Out Boy?? Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoodleBob Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I just think of the speeches the guys have done in the past for inducting Iggy and the Stooges or Guns n Roses and how their fans were probably not pleased of Green Day being the ones inducting them into the Hall of Fame. Green Day has had an influence with both of these bands and Fall Out Boy is now in this boat doing so for Green Day. Honestly this is how I look at it. Like, while I'm a huge fan of Fall Out Boy, I can totally understand why people are upset. But let's be real, we'd be lying to ourselves if we said that all of those fans were super excited to hear that Green Day were going to induct their favorite band. Probably 90% of them were pissed off. Fall Out Boy is Green Day in this situation. While I don't really know FOB but I will say Dave is a better musician as he's a skilled musician on various instruments from drums to guitar to bass to piano and others FOB has a very talented and skilled front man as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienlifeform Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I really don't think that is a big deal who will do the induction speech. the important thing is to see Green Day making it into the HOF and playing some songs. Maybe this is the brand new start they need, after the bad times they've crossed into the past years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Jain Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Fall Out Boy are pop. Green Day are pop. Foo Fighters are pop. Taylor Swift is pop. I like pop. Even Prince Of Persia is POP,.. Amazing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Them Crooked Vultures was fucking shit, I don't know why anyone would reference them as a good thing. Easily one of the weakest efforts from a supergroup that I've heard. Also Grohl only played on one QOTSA album, where Homme is the primary songwriter. And all but the most die hard FF fan will admit that over 90% of their output is fucking useless bland rock. They have an average of two good songs per album, and very rarely do they better that stat. Grohl is a good drummer though, I'll give him that. I don't rate him as a frontman, although I know a lot of people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertrose Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 A Job That Rocks: An Interview With a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Curator TZ: Once the new inductees to the Rock Hall of Fame are announced, does that kick your job into high gear? Do the two sides speak to each other? Like when they say, "Green Day is going to be in," do you have to start building collections that go along with each inductee? MRB: Absolutely. Yes. We're always working on something here. When it's not new inductee season, we have a major exhibit to put up. We have our "Right Here, Right Now" exhibit, which is ongoing. When the new inductees are announced, yeah, we immediately switch into collecting mode, go out there, get on the phone, get on a plane, and go get the stuff. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travelzoo/a-job-that-rocks-an-inter_b_6880434.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haushinka! Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I went to the Hall of Fame museum a few years ago and I thought it was the coolest thing. I definitely want to go again and see Green Day's stuff! I'm sure they'll probably have a Blue replica. What else do you think they'll have? The more articles come out about Green Day's induction, the more excited I get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colour_me_stupid_ Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I would hardly call QotSA and TCV amazing, Suffering Jaysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I've thought about it and I think all the other performers should give up some of their time and allow green day to perform American idiot from beginning to end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertrose Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Green Day mentioned int this article Green Day has released eleven studio albums, including a trilogy of albums released in 2012 entitled Uno!, Dos!, and Tre! The legendary band’s first album, Dookie, reached Diamond-certification, after it sold over ten million albums worldwide. In total, Green Day has sold over 75 million albums worldwide. Green Day’s best-charting album, 21st Century Breakdown, entered the Billboard 200 Albums chart at the Number 1 position. It also reached the top of the charts in Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Europe, Germany, Italy, Denmark, Japan, New Zealand, and the UK. The project featured the hit songs “Know Your Enemy,” “21 Guns,” “East Jesus Nowhere,” “21st Century Breakdown,” and “Last of the American Girls.” To date, Green Day has won five Grammy Awards including Best Rock Album (American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown), Best Alternative Album (Dookie), Best Musical Show Album (American Idiot: The Original Broadway Cast Recording), and Record of the Year (“Boulevard of Broken Dreams”). Some of Green Day’s most recognizable songs include “American Idiot,” “Good Riddance,” “Holiday,” “When I Come Around,” “21 Guns,” “Wake Me Up When September Ends,” and “Boulevard of Broken Dreams.” http://fdrmx.com/stevie-wonder-presenting-at-rock-hall-ceremony/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cori Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I think it's worth pointing out that when I became a Green Day fan about 4 years ago at the beginning of 2011, most sources said they'd only sold 65 million records worldwide. Now they're saying, after the trilogy and subsequent sales of older albums, that they've sold 75 million records worldwide. That's an average of 2.5 million records a year with likely slightly more having been sold in late 2012 through 2013, if the numbers are correct. I'd say Green Day are still doing pretty well for themselves and are plenty relevant, even with the lack of airtime and promotion that was around the trilogy*. Plus being inducted the first year they're eligible into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? These guys still have it going for them. *I'm not sure where this notion that the trilogy was a flop came from. Sure, commercially it did pretty poorly, but sales wise it did pretty well when the numbers are looked back on later. If I'm remembering correctly, within a month after Tré was released, totally, the trilogy had sold well over a million copies worldwide. Which, after all, it was said that Warner Brothers was only counting it as one album for contract purposes, so I'd say that's a pretty good performance as far as they're concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I think it's worth pointing out that when I became a Green Day fan about 4 years ago at the beginning of 2011, most sources said they'd only sold 65 million records worldwide. Now they're saying, after the trilogy and subsequent sales of older albums, that they've sold 75 million records worldwide. That's an average of 2.5 million records a year with likely slightly more having been sold in late 2012 through 2013, if the numbers are correct. I'd say Green Day are still doing pretty well for themselves and are plenty relevant, even with the lack of airtime and promotion that was around the trilogy*. Plus being inducted the first year they're eligible into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? These guys still have it going for them. *I'm not sure where this notion that the trilogy was a flop came from. Sure, commercially it did pretty poorly, but sales wise it did pretty well when the numbers are looked back on later. If I'm remembering correctly, within a month after Tré was released, totally, the trilogy had sold well over a million copies worldwide. Which, after all, it was said that Warner Brothers was only counting it as one album for contract purposes, so I'd say that's a pretty good performance as far as they're concerned. The trilogy counts as one album as far as contract goes However for sales each album is count individually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cori Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Okay, well, at this point in time Uno has sold around a million, and I can't find any data sources on Dos and Tré, but I'd assume after the 2013 tour they'd each be well over 500,000 by now. I think lifetime sales, especially for albums that had very little promotion, are a lot more important than first week sales anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Okay, well, at this point in time Uno has sold around a million, and I can't find any data sources on Dos and Tré, but I'd assume after the 2013 tour they'd each be well over 500,000 by now. I think lifetime sales, especially for albums that had very little promotion, are a lot more important than first week sales anyways. Tre is deft not good I doubt Dos as well Very rarely does albums do better than first week sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cori Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Tre is deft not good I doubt Dos as well Very rarely does albums do better than first week salesI'm not going to continue debating the point since neither of us has the actual data on the lifetime sales. I will say, however, that logic would dictate that in the case of two albums that had no promotion at the time of their release (i.e. Dos and Tré), they would sell a lot more after the band started the tour that was supposed to promote them. Especially considering that at several festivals in Europe, Green Day was playing to upwards of 60,000 people, and they even broke an attendance record at Emirates Stadium in London. I mean, at least some of those people probably hadn't bought Dos and Tré yet but did so after they saw Green Day play some of those songs live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I'm not going to continue debating the point since neither of us has the actual data on the lifetime sales. I will say, however, that logic would dictate that in the case of two albums that had no promotion at the time of their release (i.e. Dos and Tré), they would sell a lot more after the band started the tour that was supposed to promote them. Especially considering that at several festivals in Europe, Green Day was playing to upwards of 60,000 people, and they even broke an attendance record at Emirates Stadium in London. I mean, at least some of those people probably hadn't bought Dos and Tré yet but did so after they saw Green Day play some of those songs live. I may not have data on tre and dos full sales but as someone who has worked in music for 15 years and has plaques of his own I do know about lifetime sales... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostHighway Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I may not have data on tre and dos full sales but as someone who has worked in music for 15 years and has plaques of his own I do know about lifetime sales... Cut the pseudo accounting please. It does not give you an authoritative position on the matter. I've taken craps for 19 years, so I know about a lifetime of sophisticated sphincter maneuvers to expertly pass the waste from my body. It does not, however, make me a legal expert for example. Cori is right, the lack of promotion means that of course first week sales will be down. More albums would have been bought as the band toured and played those huge shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Cut the pseudo accounting please. It does not give you an authoritative position on the matter. I've taken craps for 19 years, so I know about a lifetime of sophisticated sphincter maneuvers to expertly pass the waste from my body. It does not, however, make me a legal expert for example. Cori is right, the lack of promotion means that of course first week sales will be down. More albums would have been bought as the band toured and played those huge shows. First if both of yall read my first post you'd clearly saw I'd put rarely does album sells better than the first week Second accountants don't get plaques Third never said I was an expert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cori Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 First if both of yall read my first post you'd clearly saw I'd put rarely does album sells better than the first week Second accounts don't get plaques Third never said I was an expert... Just curious, what do you mean by second accounts? Also, sorry, I must have missed "rarely" in your first post. Also, I will concede that none of the trilogy, not even Uno, has gone Gold (more than 500,000) in the US. No idea about worldwide sales, though I do know that Uno sold over 100,000 copies in several countries, but the last thing for Green Day that the RIAA site lists is American Idiot going 6x Platinum (in the US). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Just curious, what do you mean by second accounts? Also, sorry, I must have missed "rarely" in your first post. Also, I will concede that none of the trilogy, not even Uno, has gone Gold (more than 500,000) in the US. No idea about worldwide sales, though I do know that Uno sold over 100,000 copies in several countries, but the last thing for Green Day that the RIAA site lists is American Idiot going 6x Platinum (in the US). I am not sure on this, but I believe the artist has to request the RIAA to certify. I don't think that the RIAA just certifies. So, the trilogy could have gone gold, but if GD didn't ask for the certification, RIAA wouldn't do it. AGain, I'm not sure. Tim would probably know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Just curious, what do you mean by second accounts? Also, sorry, I must have missed "rarely" in your first post. Also, I will concede that none of the trilogy, not even Uno, has gone Gold (more than 500,000) in the US. No idea about worldwide sales, though I do know that Uno sold over 100,000 copies in several countries, but the last thing for Green Day that the RIAA site lists is American Idiot going 6x Platinum (in the US).Should've said accountants think autocorrect kicked in Uno is gold when you count in worldwide sales Not sure how much Dos sold I think it was 70-80k in us Tre was only like 50-55k? In the us I am not sure on this, but I believe the artist has to request the RIAA to certify. I don't think that the RIAA just certifies. So, the trilogy could have gone gold, but if GD didn't ask for the certification, RIAA wouldn't do it. AGain, I'm not sure. Tim would probably know this. RIAA keeps tracks but labels or the artists (altho it's usually the label) has to submit for the certificate and for the gold or platinum or diamond plaques (they aren't free labels will pay for the artists plaques and for the labels ceo but the producers mixers any of the other people involved have to pay for their own plaque gold one is 500 platinum like 800/900 diamond is a grand) Cori and Lost sorry if I came upon as attacking yall I'm not I know I can word things where I can come off as aggressive or what not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cori Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Huh. Having seen two of Green Day's Gold Album plaques in person recently, I don't know why they/label wouldn't want to request certification for the trilogy if any of the albums qualify. The plaques look pretty awesome, plus it seems like it would be a great honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Huh. Having seen two of Green Day's Gold Album plaques in person recently, I don't know why they/label wouldn't want to request certification for the trilogy if any of the albums qualify. The plaques look pretty awesome, plus it seems like it would be a great honor. Labels don't always rush things for that they may have gone for the certification as that's just paper work The plaques are optional they aren't required to make them Just depends on the artists I'm sure they'll get around to it Santana took 10 years to get gold plaques for two of his albums for himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertrose Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Bracket Challenge Round 2: Vote Who Moves On...Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, N.W.A. and More No. 2 Green Day versus No. 3 Stevie Ray Vaughn No nominee demonstrated its dominance in the first round better than Green Day, one of two participants this year that was nominated in its first year of eligibility (the other being Nine Inch Nails). The Bay-area punk group truly put the "popular" in "pop punk," grabbing 98 percent of the vote away from its competitor, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band (who made the Hall of Fame in real life this year, if it makes the group's fans feel better). The second round won't be as easy as that. Stevie Ray Vaughn is an icon to rock fans, both as a mainstream guitar hero (for hits such as "Pride and Joy" and as a cult icon for his demise at the peak of his popularity). Don't expect Green Day to let off the gas despite the walloping it gave during the first round—after all, "Nice Guys Finish Last." Vaughn managed to take on one of this year's most influential nominees, Kraftwerk, during his last contest, maybe he can keep this house rockin' against the stiff competition. http://www.musictimes.com/articles/33441/20150327/rock-roll-hall-fame-bracket-challenge-vote-nine-inch-nails-green-day-nwa.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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