DookieLukie Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 The trilogy had no overproduction on it it's their least produced album since Kerplunk... The vocal filter is what makes it sound like it was And Green Day has never used auto tune (at least on a studio album) What exactly made the poor sound of the Trilogy? Vocal filter and guitar tones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 What exactly made the poor sound of the Trilogy? Vocal filter and guitar tones? IMO the vocal filter and on some the guitar tones Some songs worked fine with the clean tones some songs however needed the loud guitars I don't have an issue with Billie using vocal filters as others may have but they should have lowered the effect of it to match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrduckygoosy Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 IMO the vocal filter and on some the guitar tones And the ugly backing vocals dubbed by Billie Joe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 What exactly made the poor sound of the Trilogy? Your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 And the ugly backing vocals dubbed by Billie Joe... I didn't mind those tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Listening to Missing You right now. I like how in this version he makes it really obvious that "It gets so hard when I'm missing you" is a double entendre. On Tre he just goes "It gets so hard when I'm missing you", but here he goes "It gets so...hard when I'm missing you" Also what is that silly noise in Angel Blue after he sings "angel blue" in the chorus? It's amusing. Sounds like a guitar riff he throws in there...almost sounds like the guitars are echoing "BLUE!" right after Billie sings it. Both amusing and amazing. I wondered what Mike was shouting, sounded like c'mawwwn to me Yeah I think I quite like state of shock! The lyrics make me think of the person being in a serious accident, forgetting everything and just clinging on: "making amends with my amnesia, I'm going under anaesthesia". Idk Just heard the "Tasty licks yo!" at the end of sex, drugs and violence omfg Ha!! That's fantastic. Also love that "Tre Cool is in - da - HOUSE!!" that BJ yells out at the end of Carpe Diem. If we can learn anything from this album it's that the band needs to let Rob Cavallo go for the next album. That's a bit harsh considering that the band & Rob were both partners in this production, and that Rob is also responsible for the production of Dookie, American Idiot, and just about everything else in between. That being said....after listening to the demos and comparing them to what we actually got on the Trilogy, it's pretty clear that (to paraphrase a comment I tweeted a few days ago) that the U/D/T production was the demos put through a dishwasher on the "sanitize" cycle. What I like about the U/D/T production is the instrument isolation -- better in my opinion than anything else that preceded it. What I don't like about that production is twofold: 1) The isolation is overdone...too much empty space in the music (not enough of BJ, Mike, and Jason playing off of each others' guitars), too much of Tre's beating the shit outta his cymbal heads filtered out of the mix, that sort of thing; and 2) FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHOEVER GREEN DAY WORKS WITH ON THE NEXT ALBUM NEEDS TO SHUT OFF ALL OF BILLIE'S VOCAL FILTERS. His voice is damn near fucking perfect as it is, and the producer needs to leave it the hell alone. Get rid of 1 and 2 (like we have in the demos), set your levels more evenly in the mix (like we don't have in the demos ), and you are fucking DONE. The bad-ass will be back, and so will the fans. That's a fantastic question and I am wondering the same. (My post above was sarcastic by the way) /digress Haven't been around here enough lately......oh dear GOD your av.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 LOVE Rusty James - DAT BASS! Backing vocals are great too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I love how there's a "hey-ohh" at the beginning of Rusty James, an arena rock gimmick at the beginning of a song about their old local punk scene. No idea if it was deliberate or not but I like the juxtaposition. Usually I'd assume it's mostly just my dirty thoughts but in this case it's such an obvious double entendre that I have no doubt it's what he had in mind Rusty James reaches a new height in the demo version. They should clean up the levels a touch and put it out as a single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Goddamnit that intro completely transforms Baby Eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I think you can really see in these versions of the songs that the lyrics aren't just meaningless like people think they are. They might be to fans if they don't relate and since we're all used to elaborate metaphors and whatnot, but you can hear the emotion and passion in Billie's voice and they obviously do mean something to him. Music and the lyrics need to work with each other. The trilogy has dark, dirty songs....set against clean, pristine music and ( ) those damn vocal filters that Billie doesn't need. Mess up the mix, you light that fire under the songs that they're missing in the final production. Well, most of them, anyway.... SD&V rocks a lot better on the demo, but even so it still has that cringe-worthy "English, math and science" line in the chorus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I think that Demolicious has proved that if Green Day had just released 17 songs with a dirtier guitar tone, the "Trilogy" era would have probably been one of Green Day's best eras. (Obviously with the rehab and everything it probably wouldn't have been as good an era as "American Idiot") I hope that Green Day see how we've all reacted to this and record their next album live.I hope they won't take any notice of us! Making decisions about music based on what fans want isn't good. They should do what they want regardless of us and if we like it it's a bonus. Of course if they like how it sounds themselves and want to make more music that sounds like it because of that then that's another matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I do too, but I mean songs that are known to be good in the fanbase even if you don't like them, like Know Your Enemy lolwut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Your opinion. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I don't get it. I'm not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I still can't get into Rusty James... It's so frustrating because everyone loves it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I don't get it. He means what makes the production bad is by your opinion of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoopy Doo Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I love Demolicious, but I kinda wish Wow! That's Loud and SWTRLF were on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I still can't get into Rusty James... It's so frustrating because everyone loves it That's Dirty Rotten Bastards to me. Except I don't want to like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelBlue_ Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 The way he sings "gimme gimme danger" in SD&V. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I'm not surprised. You don't have to be a jerk, ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 You don't have to be a jerk, ok? Nokay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 That's Dirty Rotten Bastards to me. Except I don't want to like it Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Haze Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I hope they won't take any notice of us! Making decisions about music based on what fans want isn't good. They should do what they want regardless of us and if we like it it's a bonus. Of course if they like how it sounds themselves and want to make more music that sounds like it because of that then that's another matter... Yeah, you're probably right. It is best for them to do what they do naturally. But I'm pretty sure they'd have a better time in the recording process if they recorded live for the most part. They seem to have so much chemistry playing together I didn't mind those tbh Yeah they weren't too bad. The only problem is it doesn't sound really natural. But the trilogy isn't the first time Billie's done the backing vocals himself. I'm pretty sure in "Extraordinary Girl" he's harmonising with himself. Sounds like a guitar riff he throws in there...almost sounds like the guitars are echoing "BLUE!" right after Billie sings it. Both amusing and amazing. Ha!! That's fantastic. Also love that "Tre Cool is in - da - HOUSE!!" that BJ yells out at the end of Carpe Diem. That's a bit harsh considering that the band & Rob were both partners in this production, and that Rob is also responsible for the production of Dookie, American Idiot, and just about everything else in between. That being said....after listening to the demos and comparing them to what we actually got on the Trilogy, it's pretty clear that (to paraphrase a comment I tweeted a few days ago) that the U/D/T production was the demos put through a dishwasher on the "sanitize" cycle. What I like about the U/D/T production is the instrument isolation -- better in my opinion than anything else that preceded it. What I don't like about that production is twofold: 1) The isolation is overdone...too much empty space in the music (not enough of BJ, Mike, and Jason playing off of each others' guitars), too much of Tre's beating the shit outta his cymbal heads filtered out of the mix, that sort of thing; and 2) FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHOEVER GREEN DAY WORKS WITH ON THE NEXT ALBUM NEEDS TO SHUT OFF ALL OF BILLIE'S VOCAL FILTERS. His voice is damn near fucking perfect as it is, and the producer needs to leave it the hell alone. Get rid of 1 and 2 (like we have in the demos), set your levels more evenly in the mix (like we don't have in the demos ), and you are fucking DONE. The bad-ass will be back, and so will the fans. /digress Haven't been around here enough lately......oh dear GOD your av.... I'm just curious, what is U/D/T production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoopy Doo Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Why not? Because it sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Because it sucks Surely you'd just wish it was good rather than not want to like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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