The Disappearing Boy Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Rip-off suggests that the artist is actively intending to steal from another artist, which is pretty impossible to prove. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Hermione wins every argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Haze Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I dunno, the American Idiot riff sounds like a pretty shameless ripoff to me, but beyond that I can't argue with any of what Hermione said Well green day are a lot less original than I thought. What's it a ripoff of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 Well green day are a lot less original than I thought. What's it a ripoff of? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 http://www.youtube.co Beat me to it It's basically Let Yourself Go too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 Beat me to it It's basically Let Yourself Go too. And Stop When The Red Lights Flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 That's a reach to call that a ripoff. AI is a simple riff it probably sounds similar to a lot of things if one looks hard enough. And the riff is hardly the focal point of the song, so it's not like they're gaining much of anything. Also the fact that we are saying Let Yourself Go, SWTRLF, AND AI ripped off this ONE song just shows how much of a reach it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 You guys are forgetting the REAL American Idiot ripoff song... duh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'm not one to cry "rip off", but that song does sound an awful lot like AI and Let Yourself Go! But you know, it's hard to draw a line on getting inspiration from it and unconsciously making a similar song, and actually ripping it off. I tend to lean to the first option. Edit: hahahahaha Alissa's video reminds me of that band that did really bad spanish ripoffs/covers/not sure what it was supposed to be of a bunch of 1039/sosh or kerplunk songs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Haze Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'm not one to cry "rip off", but that song does sound an awful lot like AI and Let Yourself Go! But you know, it's hard to draw a line on getting inspiration from it and unconsciously making a similar song, and actually ripping it off. I tend to lean to the first option. Edit: hahahahaha Alissa's video reminds me of that band that did really bad spanish ripoffs/covers/not sure what it was supposed to be of a bunch of 1039/sosh or kerplunk songs! Yeah that's often true. I have a song written that, looking back, has a really similar riff to JAR. It's hard to come up with original chord progressions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Same chords as When I Come Around. So why hasn't Green Day sued yet?!?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 Same chords as When I Come Around. So why hasn't Green Day sued yet?!?!?!? Blink 182 need to sue themselves since at least 50% of their songs have the same chord progression. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Who cares? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 We're forgetting the greatest rip-off of all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Who cares? Us, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 Who cares? If you don't care you don't have to get involved in a discussion between people who do 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 If you don't care you don't have to get involved in a discussion between people who do Hahaha, now, not kidding.. I'm sorry haha. What I meant to say is why you care about if some songs have the same chord progression? Its just silly to me.. Don't be too meticulous, enjoy the music and relax. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 Hahaha, now, not kidding.. I'm sorry haha. What I meant to say is why you care about if some songs have the same chord progression? Its just silly to me.. Don't be too meticulous, enjoy the music and relax. I don't know who failed to remain calm Many of us here are musicians or at least have an interest in musical analysis and how songs fit together. If it seems like nitpicking then so be it, but a few of us are genuinely boring enough to find it interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 There is more to songs than chord progressions. Especially GD songs when chord progressions are so unimportant to what they do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 There is more to songs than chord progressions. Especially GD songs when chord progressions are so unimportant to what they do. But when have they ever written a riff that wasn't entirely reliant on a chord progression? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 But when have they ever written a riff that wasn't entirely reliant on a chord progression? But riffs aren't important to what they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 But riffs aren't important to what they do Longview, Welcome To Paradise and Missing You lean heavily on bass riffs, and as for guitar riffs there's When I Come Around, Brain Stew, Hitchin' A Ride, Warning, American Idiot, Holiday, Homecoming, 21st Century Breakdown, Know Your Enemy, Before The Lobotomy, East Jesus Nowhere, Carpe Diem, Fuck Time, Stop When The Red Lights Flash and X Kid, off the top of my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Longview, Welcome To Paradise and Missing You lean heavily on bass riffs, and as for guitar riffs there's When I Come Around, Brain Stew, Hitchin' A Ride, Warning, American Idiot, Holiday, Homecoming, 21st Century Breakdown, Know Your Enemy, Before The Lobotomy, East Jesus Nowhere, Carpe Diem, Fuck Time, Stop When The Red Lights Flash and X Kid, off the top of my head I meant lead guitar riffs btw, and I can say pretty easily that every song you listed besides WICA, Brain Stew, and X-Kid have far more important aspects than the lead guitar riffs. I could go through each one if you feel it necessary, but for starters: AI is 95% about the lyrics/attitude. The title alone is what draws people in. 21CB is about huge sound, great harmonies, and lyrics Carpe Diem and KYE are just bad songs And EJN's riff isn't even that good. That song is more about the message by a lot. What I'm really trying to argue is that IDC if they have lead guitar riffs that sound similar to other riffs because that isn't what their songs focus on. They've never been guitarsmiths and I don't think anyone would claim otherwise. Green Day songs are about the melody/lyrics/harmonies/basslines. Now if Eric Johnson was found to be stealing riffs, THEN there is something noteworthy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 I meant lead guitar riffs btw, and I can say pretty easily that every song you listed besides WICA, Brain Stew, and X-Kid have far more important aspects than the lead guitar riffs. I could go through each one if you feel it necessary, but for starters: AI is 95% about the lyrics/attitude. The title alone is what draws people in. 21CB is about huge sound, great harmonies, and lyrics Carpe Diem and KYE are just bad songs And EJN's riff isn't even that good. That song is more about the message by a lot. What I'm really trying to argue is that IDC if they have lead guitar riffs that sound similar to other riffs because that isn't what their songs focus on. They've never been guitarsmiths and I don't think anyone would claim otherwise. Green Day songs are about the melody/lyrics/harmonies/basslines. Now if Eric Johnson was found to be stealing riffs, THEN there is something noteworthy. I never argued that the riffs of any of the songs I listed were the most important aspects. Obviously most of Green Day's music is entirely about melody, lyrics, harmonies and basslines, we've agreed on that for as long as I can remember. With the songs I listed, it's just undeniable that the riffs act as a musical centrepiece. Whether the song or the riff is good or not is kind of irrelevant to my point, since there's no objective measure of how good something is. To say the guitar parts don't matter at all is kind of weird to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I never argued that the riffs of any of the songs I listed were the most important aspects. Obviously most of Green Day's music is entirely about melody, lyrics, harmonies and basslines, we've agreed on that for as long as I can remember. With the songs I listed, it's just undeniable that the riffs act as a musical centrepiece. Whether the song or the riff is good or not is kind of irrelevant to my point, since there's no objective measure of how good something is. To say the guitar parts don't matter at all is kind of weird to me. I'm saying more that it doesn't matter if AI's riff sounds like the song you posted, because AI is not about the guitar riff. It's a great song for very different reasons. To say a song is a ripoff I think you would have to find more than just common chord progressions. Ok when State of Shock comes out, for example. I'm going to bet we don't really care for what the riff sounds like. What we will notice will probably be the vocals and melody. If the riff is similar to some random ass song from 30 years ago it doesn't matter. Because the riffs aren't what make the songs special. They may be a centerpiece musically but they are simple, and not important to how good a GD song is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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