Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[_Mace_]

11 hours ago, Hermione said:

You know how I feel about that 

How many American Idiot songs do they need to play though (current answer: literally over half the album). They're going to have to get rid of songs to make way for new ones when the next album's out and it'll be ridiculous if they still keep hanging on to all those AI ones while other albums are cut completely, get rid of the longest one I say  

I feel, I don't know why, that JOS is one of their most passionate all-encompassing amazing songs- live or recorded. It does bug me that they use so much AI though because a) it's repetitive b) they're songs for a musical,  taken our of context c) they don't put that much in the performance of the AI songs anymore, because they have amazingly deep and beautiful anthems like Still Breathing now (actually, I feel like this is the Green Day song that most encompasses life in the most basic and effective way. It's beautiful.). I think if AI, Holiday, and JOS were the only AI songs, that'd be good. But JOS adds a lot to the live experience, at least for me. It's a heartbreakingly beautiful experience to watch them sing it live.

[Otis Big]

i hope they create and preform some true revolution rock rather than only eluding it. hopefully billie is true to his word of not standing in line anymore and starts truly taking advantage of his platform. prolly not because they really did sell their souls and theyre not allowed to.

 

[_Mace_]

I would really love if they performed Say Goodbye live, too.

[Beerjeezus]

6 hours ago, hym.jarred said:

i hope they create and preform some true revolution rock rather than only eluding it. hopefully billie is true to his word of not standing in line anymore and starts truly taking advantage of his platform. prolly not because they really did sell their souls and theyre not allowed to.

 

 

22 hours ago, Eric said:

Unpopular opinion...Worrying about if Green Day is punk whether your friends  or critics  tell you they are not punk, is stupid. Worry about more important things in life!  

[Hermione]

8 hours ago, E X H A U S T E D said:

I would really love if they performed Say Goodbye live, too.

They could replace Holiday with it, perfect  

I don't actually have anything against live AI songs, they just play too many of them and it makes the setlist unbalanced. See also Dookie. I know they'll always play the most songs from those albums as they're the biggest or whatever but they really don't need to hang on to every song to the point of cutting out whole other albums before they'll sacrifice a single one. It's overkill.

[Libertine Angel]

10 hours ago, hym.jarred said:

i hope they create and preform some true revolution rock rather than only eluding it. hopefully billie is true to his word of not standing in line anymore and starts truly taking advantage of his platform. prolly not because they really did sell their souls and theyre not allowed to.

 

To say they sold their souls is bullshit, but I do agree that RevRad is a lot more empty words than I was hoping, they could follow in the footsteps of the Clash or Crass or Dead Kennedys but so far it's really still just a lot of big talk and no real fire.

[_Mace_]

3 minutes ago, Libertine Angel said:

To say they sold their souls is bullshit, but I do agree that RevRad is a lot more empty words than I was hoping, they could follow in the footsteps of the Clash or Crass or Dead Kennedys but so far it's really still just a lot of big talk and no real fire.

This. Especially the song RevRad. I actually was impressed with some political comments on the album, but slightly disapointed. But I get why they didn't say much; it was overwhelming. Can't judge that. They already did AI, too. That's real fire. I feel they could have done something different with this album, but i feel that then they wouldn't have done what they needed to do. This felt necessary for them.

[Libertine Angel]

1 hour ago, E X H A U S T E D said:

This. Especially the song RevRad. I actually was impressed with some political comments on the album, but slightly disapointed. But I get why they didn't say much; it was overwhelming. Can't judge that. They already did AI, too. That's real fire. I feel they could have done something different with this album, but i feel that then they wouldn't have done what they needed to do. This felt necessary for them.

Yeah, the title track is such a disappointment to me, the lines that actually make sense are just a bunch of revolution clichés that say "yeah, let's go out and fight" without actually doing it. Bang Bang, however, I will never say a bad word against because I loved it since it first played on the radio, I honestly think it's one of the best punk songs anyone's written in quite some time, it's just such a disappointment that the rest of the album didn't follow suit.

[Christian's Inferno!]

25 minutes ago, Libertine Angel said:

Yeah, the title track is such a disappointment to me, the lines that actually make sense are just a bunch of revolution clichés that say "yeah, let's go out and fight" without actually doing it. Bang Bang, however, I will never say a bad word against because I loved it since it first played on the radio, I honestly think it's one of the best punk songs anyone's written in quite some time, it's just such a disappointment that the rest of the album didn't follow suit.

I still think the album's great but 18 months after its release, I definitely think it's been a bit disappointing. It didn't really add anything new to the table for GD, some of the political songs are pretty clichéd (e.g RR and Troubled Times). And I even still like these tracks but they don't really offer anything new. They don't do anything that GD haven't already done. In terms of what they've done in the 21st century, RevRad is pretty disappointing. I mean, out of those albums I'd only rank it above the trilogy albums, but even the trilogy was interesting and tried to do some new things.

I understand them making this album though. And tbh I still think the album is great. I think it was more of a damage control album after the trilogy but the last thing I want from the next album is another RevRad. I really want some experimentation in the next album. They don't really have anything to lose

[Biddymc]

I think that RevRad being written before Trump's election is important to note.   I know I already feel like we are living in an entirely different world than 2 years ago, when GD were writing and producing revrad.    The album feels safe, but coming off the Obama years, there was a safe feeling at the time. The album has an essence that change is going to come, and desire for that revolution, but in real life, the revolution went the wrong way, and the wrong side won.   We aren't living in troubled times anymore, we're living in the freaking upsidedown.    However, the last year or so has been filled with grassroot efforts, protest, and resistance, and I think Billie is going to have something to say/reflect back about what is happening right now.  Artistically, I can't see him sitting on the sidelines without some sort of societal commentary.  So I think whatever comes next musically, lyrically, creatively will come from this place.  It's hard to say if it will be the masterpiece we're all looking for, but I don't think he writes his music for us; like any artist, it comes from within, and once it's out there, then I guess we will see.  I know I'm looking forward to it.

[Thatsername]

16 hours ago, Biddymc said:

I think that RevRad being written before Trump's election is important to note.   I know I already feel like we are living in an entirely different world than 2 years ago, when GD were writing and producing revrad.    The album feels safe, but coming off the Obama years, there was a safe feeling at the time. The album has an essence that change is going to come, and desire for that revolution, but in real life, the revolution went the wrong way, and the wrong side won.   We aren't living in troubled times anymore, we're living in the freaking upsidedown.    However, the last year or so has been filled with grassroot efforts, protest, and resistance, and I think Billie is going to have something to say/reflect back about what is happening right now.  Artistically, I can't see him sitting on the sidelines without some sort of societal commentary.  So I think whatever comes next musically, lyrically, creatively will come from this place.  It's hard to say if it will be the masterpiece we're all looking for, but I don't think he writes his music for us; like any artist, it comes from within, and once it's out there, then I guess we will see.  I know I'm looking forward to it.

I wish I could like this more than once. On point!

[Yosuke Hanamura]

Is it an unpopular opinion to label Green Day just straight up Rock N' Roll? I prefer to call them as such since:

1: There's so much diversity in their music, that Punk on it's own does not describe their music anymore. 

2: I fucking despise people labeling them "Pop", or "Pop-Punk", since that just makes them sound like they're just another musician that's part of the mainstream. They are not Despacito, or whatever is popular at this point.

3: I want to be able to stand them next to my favorites without conflict. (Journey, Queen, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, The Who, etc.)

[pacejunkie punk]

6 minutes ago, Yuri Plisetsky said:

Is it an unpopular opinion to label Green Day just straight up Rock N' Roll? I prefer to call them as such since:

1: There's so much diversity in their music, that Punk on it's own does not describe their music anymore. 

2: I fucking despise people labeling them "Pop", or "Pop-Punk", since that just makes them sound like they're just another musician that's part of the mainstream. They are not Despacito, or whatever is popular at this point.

3: I want to be able to stand them next to my favorites without conflict. (Journey, Queen, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, The Who, etc.)

That’s all they ever wanted was to be counted among the legendary classic rock bands and end up on classic rock radio. They never wanted to be a punk band for life, they wanted to evolve and end up with careers like The Who and the Rolling Stones.  I think they deserve to be listed alongside the legends they admire now.  Grammys, Hall of Fame, arenas, stadiums, concept records, broadway musical, what else do they need to do that these other bands have done (other than to keep doing it until they’re in their seventies).  They even had their own Zeppelin style custom jet! They’re doing everything they can to earn that classic rock band title (apart from the groupies I suppose).

[Montclare]

23 minutes ago, Yuri Plisetsky said:

Is it an unpopular opinion to label Green Day just straight up Rock N' Roll? I prefer to call them as such since:

1: There's so much diversity in their music, that Punk on it's own does not describe their music anymore. 

2: I fucking despise people labeling them "Pop", or "Pop-Punk", since that just makes them sound like they're just another musician that's part of the mainstream. They are not Despacito, or whatever is popular at this point.

3: I want to be able to stand them next to my favorites without conflict. (Journey, Queen, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, The Who, etc.)

I call them a rock band who's punk at their core.  Punk is clearly still important to them, but they've done so much more.  There's also punk as a genre, and punk as a mindset/lifestyle.

[Hermione]

 

15 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

That’s all they ever wanted was to be counted among the legendary classic rock bands and end up on classic rock radio. They never wanted to be a punk band for life, they wanted to evolve and end up with careers like The Who and the Rolling Stones.  I think they deserve to be listed alongside the legends they admire now.  Grammys, Hall of Fame, arenas, stadiums, concept records, broadway musical, what else do they need to do that these other bands have done (other than to keep doing it until they’re in their seventies).  They even had their own Zeppelin style custom jet! They’re doing everything they can to earn that classic rock band title (apart from the groupies I suppose).

I think it is important to them that they've stuck to certain punk ideals though, not necessarily in musical style but in wanting to stand for what's right etc. And it's legitimate to call them pop punk too because they are popular and do incorporate poppy/catchy etc elements in their music, it doesn't have to be a negative thing. They've never just been straight up punk and have always had pop as well as rock n roll/classic rock in there as well. I think it's OK to call them any of those things or all of them, they all fit.

[Yosuke Hanamura]

25 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I think it is important to them that they've stuck to certain punk ideals though, not necessarily in musical style but in wanting to stand for what's right etc. And it's legitimate to call them pop punk too because they are popular and do incorporate poppy/catchy etc elements in their music, it doesn't have to be a negative thing. They've never just been straight up punk and have always had pop as well as rock n roll/classic rock in there as well. I think it's OK to call them any of those things or all of them, they all fit.

I'm alright with saying they use pop elements in some songs, I just don't like when people just say they're just pop. Considering most of those people only have listened to BOBD, WMUWSE, or 21 Guns. If people use those songs on their own as the basis for saying what GD's Genre is, then they might as well call Green Day a Boy Band.

[pacejunkie punk]

I think it’s similar to how the Stones started out as a blues band and that remains at the core of their classic rock style that they evolved into. I’m talking musically, the punk ethos thing is a separate thing altogether that I don’t think other musical styles carry. 

[Libertine Angel]

Pop punk certainly isn't negative, and I think fits them quite well, the way they play is generally a good fit for punk (considering Billie's playing is essentially just Jake Burns crossed with Johnny Ramone) but they have a less abrasive sound than punk can (Billie's voice is more approachable than Joe Strummer's), and that ticks all the same boxes as Buzzcocks, who arguably invented pop-punk but are very much still a punk band.

[Spike]

I can get behind considering them rock n roll. When you consider how they are live at least, with this huge sound including keyboards, sax, additional guitars etc, they're far closer to the likes of The Rolling Stones and The Who than they are to, say, Blink 182 or The Offspring.

[_Mace_]

They're punk rock.

Both very rock and roll and very punk. They're both. At least to me. Both in ideals and in style.

[Eric]

15 minutes ago, E X H A U S T E D said:

They're punk rock.

Both very rock and roll and very punk. They're both. At least to me. Both in ideals and in style.

and very pop as well.

[_Mace_]

19 minutes ago, Eric said:

and very pop as well.

In certain albums, yes.

[The Bellie]

On 04/03/2018 at 7:05 AM, MiksuSH said:

I was talking about Forever Now.

When I quoted you, you were saying this:

Everything. From start to end. Especially the end where everything (lyrics, instruments) is complete mess and I can't enjoy it at all.

In response to this:

[On 03/03/2018 at 5:34 PM, Christian's Inferno! said:]

Why?? And what's wrong with Somewhere Now?

Moreover, my own response to your post works as well for SN as for FN.

On 04/03/2018 at 10:07 PM, Libertine Angel said:

Yeah, the title track is such a disappointment to me, the lines that actually make sense are just a bunch of revolution clichés that say "yeah, let's go out and fight" without actually doing it. Bang Bang, however, I will never say a bad word against because I loved it since it first played on the radio, I honestly think it's one of the best punk songs anyone's written in quite some time, it's just such a disappointment that the rest of the album didn't follow suit.

On 04/03/2018 at 10:19 PM, Christian's Inferno! said:

I still think the album's great but 18 months after its release, I definitely think it's been a bit disappointing. It didn't really add anything new to the table for GD, some of the political songs are pretty clichéd (e.g RR and Troubled Times). And I even still like these tracks but they don't really offer anything new. They don't do anything that GD haven't already done. In terms of what they've done in the 21st century, RevRad is pretty disappointing. I mean, out of those albums I'd only rank it above the trilogy albums, but even the trilogy was interesting and tried to do some new things.

I understand them making this album though. And tbh I still think the album is great. I think it was more of a damage control album after the trilogy but the last thing I want from the next album is another RevRad. I really want some experimentation in the next album. They don't really have anything to lose

I love Bang Bang and all the songs of the albums at various degrees. Seems it would sound unpopular to say,

1) RevRad is my favorite album and the one I relate the most to, and the one that really helped me to overcome stuff; right behind are the trilogy and 21st CB, between those two it's hard to tell which I love the most ; considering this, my only observation is GD have been doing albums with evolving quality; 

2) I've never been disappointed by the song RevRad, I find it amazing album version and live, and I don't find the lyrics at all cliché or empty.  I do strongly hope they keep Bang Bang during the next tour, and despite of the several RevRad songs that haven't been played live or almost not, I hope the song RevRad will be just following Bang Bang as in the RevRad tour.

I don't know what to expect for the next album, I'm too lazy and careless ad confident to try to guess, I only know I'll cry and shiver while listening to it, as usual.

23 hours ago, Biddymc said:

I think that RevRad being written before Trump's election is important to note.   I know I already feel like we are living in an entirely different world than 2 years ago, when GD were writing and producing revrad.    The album feels safe, but coming off the Obama years, there was a safe feeling at the time. The album has an essence that change is going to come, and desire for that revolution, but in real life, the revolution went the wrong way, and the wrong side won.   We aren't living in troubled times anymore, we're living in the freaking upsidedown.    However, the last year or so has been filled with grassroot efforts, protest, and resistance, and I think Billie is going to have something to say/reflect back about what is happening right now.  Artistically, I can't see him sitting on the sidelines without some sort of societal commentary.  So I think whatever comes next musically, lyrically, creatively will come from this place.  It's hard to say if it will be the masterpiece we're all looking for, but I don't think he writes his music for us; like any artist, it comes from within, and once it's out there, then I guess we will see.  I know I'm looking forward to it.

I don't really agree with this way of describing things... we live in more troubled times than ever. To me RevRad hit points in a freaking right way. Reflection, social commentary, that has already been the case, and yeah I believe as well and hope Billie will keep on with it. He would want to write even strongest songs about what has been happening since 2016. Safe, RevRad? I don't think of it as safe or unsafe, it touches me to what's the deepest in me. It made me change. And I am extremely looking forward for the next masterpiece now 

[Christian's Inferno!]

4 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

When I quoted you, you were saying this:

Everything. From start to end. Especially the end where everything (lyrics, instruments) is complete mess and I can't enjoy it at all.

In response to this:

[On 03/03/2018 at 5:34 PM, Christian's Inferno! said:]

Why?? And what's wrong with Somewhere Now?

Moreover, my own response to your post works as well for SN as for FN.

I love Bang Bang and all the songs of the albums at various degrees. Seems it would sound unpopular to say,

1) RevRad is my favorite album and the one I relate the most to, and the one that really helped me to overcome stuff; right behind are the trilogy and 21st CB, between those two it's hard to tell which I love the most ; considering this, my only observation is GD have been doing albums with evolving quality; 

2) I've never been disappointed by the song RevRad, I find it amazing album version and live, and I don't find the lyrics at all cliché or empty.  I do strongly hope they keep Bang Bang during the next tour, and despite of the several RevRad songs that haven't been played live or almost not, I hope the song RevRad will be just following Bang Bang as in the RevRad tour.

I don't know what to expect for the next album, I'm too lazy and careless ad confident to try to guess, I only know I'll cry and shiver while listening to it, as usual.

I don't really agree with this way of describing things... we live in more troubled times than ever. To me RevRad hit points in a freaking right way. Reflection, social commentary, that has already been the case, and yeah I believe as well and hope Billie will keep on with it. He would want to write even strongest songs about what has been happening since 2016. Safe, RevRad? I don't think of it as safe or unsafe, it touches me to what's the deepest in me. It made me change. And I am extremely looking forward for the next masterpiece now 

When I said "And what's wrong with Somewhere Now?", that was in reply to E X H A U S T E D, not MiksuSH

And I think my problem with RevRad is it hasn't been as interesting as any of the other most recent albums  or projects Green Day has done. American Idiot was interesting because... well it was fucking American Idiot. 21CB was even more ambitious than AI and imo, as good if not better. The trilogy was interesting because well... it was a TRILOGY of albums, something that's rarely done and even though it had its flaws, brought some new sounds and experimentation. RevRad, while still a great album, didn't really tread on any new ground. Pretty much every song is one I can compare to a previous GD song. 

I can expect RevRad to be your favourite if you've only just discovered GD recently through that album (Idk if you did or not) but I feel like RR is a mixture of AI and everything after, but not really as interesting.

I still really enjoy most of the songs on RevRad. BB, BOTW, TT, FN and SG are probably my favourites. And I'd rank the album above all of the 90's albums except for Dookie.

[The Bellie]

20 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

When I said "And what's wrong with Somewhere Now?", that was in reply to E X H A U S T E D, not MiksuSH

I'm too tired to go looking for that but it's okay for me 

20 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I can expect RevRad to be your favourite if you've only just discovered GD recently through that album (Idk if you did or not) but I feel like RR is a mixture of AI and everything after, but not really as interesting.

RevRad is the album that made me discover the band, but my feeling is contrary to yours, RevRad is more unique to me than any other GD album.