Popular Post Chin for a Day Posted November 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2017 Can't we all just get along!!!! 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Jollyroger118 said: I think that's wrong after Warning kinda flopped AI was a huge risk instead of going with a more pop sound and lyrics he wrote an intense and personal concept album at a time when rock wasn't even that big on the radio anymore. If AI would've flopped their career wouldn't look anything like it does today. The trilogy was pretty risky too and it didn't really pay off for anyone. And Linkin Parks new albums have been trash imo Trash? yeah typical way too cool punk rock kids of gdc telling me whats trash Just now, MysticManiac said: I'm very familiar with LP's albums and I don't see much of a difference. Both bands have had times where they played it safe and both bands have had times where they've made risks. GD with Nimrod, AI, 21CB and the trilogy and LP with MtM, ATS, LT and OML. LP also played it safe with Meteora which was basically Hybrid Theory 2 and The Hunting Party where they returned more to a harder rock sound after A Thousand Suns and Living Things "I don't see much of a difference" Ok remind me to NEVER have a conversation with you on music ever again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Christian's Inferno! Posted November 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Eric said: Trash? yeah typical way too cool punk rock kids of gdc telling me whats trash "I don't see much of a difference" Ok remind me to NEVER have a conversation with you on music ever again Y'know you talk a lot about how GDC aren't accepting of different opinions and then you just laugh at what other people think... Pretty hypocritical tbh And there really isn't much of a difference... Both bands have taken risks and both bands have played safe at times in their career. Am I wrong somehow? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Eric said: Trash? yeah typical way too cool punk rock kids of gdc telling me whats trash This thread’s for talking about Green Day, not other members. Let’s leave the personal stuff out, please, before it goes any further. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, MysticManiac said: Y'know you talk a lot about how GDC aren't accepting of different opinions and then you just laugh at what other people think... Pretty hypocritical tbh And there really isn't much of a difference... Both bands have taken risks and both bands have played safe at times in their career. Am I wrong somehow? Where has Linkin Park played it safe? After meteora for givng you guys who want the same thing over and over again? After that it was different each album. Green Day plays to the only punk music matters crowd......safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, Eric said: Where has Linkin Park played it safe? After meteora for givng you guys who want the same thing over and over again? After that it was different each album. Green Day plays to the only punk music matters crowd......safe Well, I already said in one of my previous comments but sure, I'll say it again The Hunting Party. They returned to a heavier, harder rock sound after A Thousand Suns and Living Things, giving the older fans more of what they wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, MysticManiac said: Well, I already said in one of my previous comments but sure, I'll say it again The Hunting Party. They returned to a heavier, harder rock sound after A Thousand Suns and Living Things, giving the older fans more of what they wanted Doesn't matter. Linkin Park's thing was changing it up from album to album. Just because they went back to heavier after how many albums....doesn't mean shit. I am talking about the entire discography but your ignorance doesn't allow you to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, Eric said: Doesn't matter. Linkin Park's thing was changing it up from album to album. Just because they went back to heavier after how many albums....doesn't mean shit. I am talking about the entire discography but your ignorance doesn't allow you to listen. I'm not saying that LP haven't taken risks. It seems that you're being quite ignorant about GD's discography. I've already explained that GD have taken many risks in their career. AI was a risk, 21CB was a risk, the trilogy was a risk, even Nimrod was a risk. And they took a risk by signing to a major label back in 1994. RR was their first "safe" album since Warning. And it could be argued that even Warning was a risk since it was less punk and started with the political themes (i.e Minority). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: I'm not saying that LP haven't taken risks. It seems that you're being quite ignorant about GD's discography. I've already explained that GD have taken many risks in their career. AI was a risk, 21CB was a risk, the trilogy was a risk, even Nimrod was a risk. And they took a risk by signing to a major label back in 1994. RR was their first "safe" album since Warning. And it could be argued that even Warning was a risk since it was less punk and started with the political themes (i.e Minority). Green Day has't really done something outside of their element...... outside of Nightlife, AI I Guess and Warning ( All they all have elements of playing it safe but I will give you those.) Their fan base is clear on each record who it'll cater to. Linkin Park you never know what you will get and thats my fucking point so just drop it! My point of all this is I said I wish Green Day would experiment each album like Linkin Park does, so leave me alone with my valid opinion....jerks Edited November 1, 2017 by Second favourite son User was given a verbal warning for this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pacejunkie punk Posted November 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2017 If Green Day were catering to a punk rock audience only, then every album would sound like Insomniac. Punk fans have been complaining GD aren’t punk since the Gilman days. They’ve never sought to please those people, and they’ve never tried to make current music that was for the masses to be popular. They please themselves full stop and that’s a risky business. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: If Green Day were catering to a punk rock audience only, then every album would sound like Insomniac. Punk fans have been complaining GD aren’t punk since the Gilman days. They’ve never sought to please those people, and they’ve never tried to make current music that was for the masses to be popular. They please themselves full stop and that’s a risky business. The term Punk is long gone dead. However what I was referring to is the green Day audience who believes Green Day is punk rock and that its still alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Eric said: The term Punk is long gone dead. However what I was referring to is the green Day audience who believes Green Day is punk rock and that its still alive. Punk is an idea and an attitude, not a type of music in reality. It will never die. 🙂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bellie Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 hours ago, SHART said: Totally disagree - 21CB is their best album Just to make my opinion clear, 21CB is my 2nd favorite GD album and I find it absolutely tremendous, in all ways. I only feel sort of depressed after listening to it entirely - which is not the case of RevRad, and it's one of the reasons RevRad comes before 21CB to me. And I said some songs off the trilogy have my preference, lyrically, over any song off 21CB, nevertheless as a whole I don't prefer any trilogy album over 21CB. 15 hours ago, Jollyroger118 said: Also I don't wanna quote the whole post above me but to say the trilogy lyrics are just as good as 21st CB is absolute insanity My opinion may be unpopular, it's no insanity, just what I really get from the lyrics. 21CB is very different from the trilogy. I feel that in the trilogy they came back to much more simplicity in the lyrics, which doesn't mean many of these lyrics aren't genius. It just depends how you personally resonate with them. Even at least a phrase or two per trilogy song is enough to make them more powerful and memorable to my mind than most lyrics off 21CB (even though, many on 21CB are also incredibly strong, and sad at the same time: first example I can think of: "running out of service / in the blood I fell" in See The Light. To me, it's probably the saddest phrase of what all Billie has written). Understand my point isn't to slander 21CB, but to tell my unpopular opinion about the greatness of the trilogy's lyrics, and I use 21CB as a comparison because it is rightly great (and recognized as such). 5 hours ago, Eric said: Trilogy lyrics are just as good as 21cb. Yeah. But hey, the trilogy was a mighty risk because we're saying this here and it sure is unpopular 1 hour ago, WhiteTim said: There are several songs with great lyrics on Trilogy like Brutal Love Lazy Bones X Kid but not on the same level as 21st Century imo Lazy Bones's lyrics are absolute greatness. Brutal Love and X-Kid near behind. But there are plenty other songs off the trilogy that have great lyrics, here are a few of the examples which just rush in my mind: 99 Revolutions: "History will prove itself in the halls of justice and lost souls", The Forgotten : "We share the scars from our abandon / And what we remember becomes folklore", Walk Away : "Did you win? Or maybe did you lose? Now you're gonna lick your wounds anyway / When it comes back to you". I relate more than I could tell to these lyrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 On 01/11/2017 at 9:20 PM, Eric said: Linkin Park you never know what you will get and thats my fucking point so just drop it! My point of all this is I said I wish Green Day would experiment each album like Linkin Park does, so leave me alone with my valid opinion....jerks Listen, you're acting a bit like an immature teenager. Don't go around saying every opinion matters and then feel offended when some people challenge your opinion by giving you their opinion. It's just an opinion, ok. If you want people to leave you alone, just don't respond. But it seems to me like you do want people to respond... You're literally commenting in the Unpopular Opinion thread, yet supposedly you want no one to respond, I don't buy it... I would also like to add to the conversation that while I do think Green Day has taken risks over the years (Warning, AI, the trilogy to a certain extent), I don't think 21CB was one of them. To me it was more or less taking the AI punk rock opera formula and producing another album with it. That's the primary reason why I personally prefer AI to 21CB, as I think a lot of what 21CB does really well, AI just did better and more importantly first. 21CB after AI to me is a bit like Insomniac after Dookie. They're both really great albums, but one tries to do what the first already did in a way, so you could argue the first one is better by a thin margin. But that is of course only my humble opinion and two cents... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said: I would also like to add to the conversation that while I do think Green Day has taken risks of the years (Warning, AI, the trilogy to a certain extent), I don't think 21CB was one of them. To me it was more or less taking the AI punk rock opera formula and producing another album with it. That's the primary reason why I personally prefer AI to 21CB, as I think a lot of what 21CB does really well, AI just did better and more importantly first. 21CB after AI to me is a bit like Insomniac after Dookie. They're both really great albums, but one tries to do what the first already did in a way, so you could argue the first one is better by a thin margin. But that is of course only my humble opinion and two cents... That's a good point about 21CB. I guess I just find that 21CB, while still a rock opera, was more ambitious in terms of theme and much further from their typical sound than AI was. If you listen to Warning and AI, it still sounds like the same band. If you listen to AI and 21CB, it sounds like the same band. But if you listen to Warning and then 21CB, it kind of sounds like a different band. At least imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: If Green Day were catering to a punk rock audience only, then every album would sound like Insomniac. If only... 14 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said: Listen, you're acting a bit like an immature teenager. Don't go around saying every opinion matters and then feel offended when some people challenge your opinion by giving you their opinion. It's just an opinion, ok. If you want people to leave you alone, just don't respond. But it seems to me like you do want people to respond... You're literally commenting in the Unpopular Opinion thread, yet supposedly you want no one to respond, I don't buy it... He’s been given a warning point for the behavior, so now we can just continue discussing opinions on Green Day and not opinions on other members. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollyroger118 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 @eric I kinda just wanted to mess with you after calling that one dude an ass and calling me a "punk rock kid" even though I'm 24 and a fan of all music and most certainly not an elitist of any sorts. But saying Green Day didn't take risks cause they never left there genre? They're a rock band, mostly punk and that's the style they love I don't need them to go country or electronic. Yeah that'd be a risk but it would probably sound horrible. There's only a couple of bands I've ever seen switch they're whole style successfully, such as The Strokes and even then it took a long time for me to really appreciate it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herewegoagain Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: If only... UGH same Also punk is dead to anyone who didn't get it in the first place, man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 32 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: That's a good point about 21CB. I guess I just find that 21CB, while still a rock opera, was more ambitious in terms of theme and much further from their typical sound than AI was. If you listen to Warning and AI, it still sounds like the same band. If you listen to AI and 21CB, it sounds like the same band. But if you listen to Warning and then 21CB, it kind of sounds like a different band. At least imo. I think there’s no denying 21CB was ambitious, it certainly was. But I still don’t think it was a real risk in of itself, as again they basically took the successful rock opera formula from AI. It was different to AI in one meaningful way though: change of producer (Rob Cavallo to Butch Vig). I think that’s my greatest nag about 21CB, it was a definite change of sound, because Rob Cavallo had produced every album since Dookie up until that point. I still personally much prefer the production of AI to 21CB, but then this does set it apart from Insomniac, which productionwise was almost identical to Dookie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrduckygoosy Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said: I think there’s no denying 21CB was ambitious, it certainly was. But I still don’t think it was a real risk in of itself, as again they basically took the successful rock opera formula from AI. It was different to AI in one meaningful way though: change of producer (Rob Cavallo to Chris Lord Alge). I think that’s my greatest nag about 21CB, it was a definite change of sound, because Rob Cavallo had produced every album since Dookie up until that point. I still personally much prefer the production of AI to 21CB, but then this does set it apart from Insomniac, which productionwise was almost identical to Dookie. Don't you mean Butch Vig ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, herewegoagain said: UGH same Really? I love Insomniac but I’d rather have GD’s diverse catalog over twelve albums of angry punk. I love Rancid too but every album sounds the same. They’re not a hall of fame band that will be remembered because they’ve never evolved. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, mrduckygoosy said: Don't you mean Butch Vig ? Yes, stupid me! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 hours ago, Jollyroger118 said: I got one. If Back in the USA ends up being a Chuck Berry cover I will never fucking forgive them. I wish they would've just said if it was or not cause I wanna be really excited but I can't be. Also I don't wanna quote the whole post above me but to say the trilogy lyrics are just as good as 21st CB is absolute insanity I don't think Back in the USA will be a cover. I'm sure it would've been said if it was a cover or not. Maybe I'm wrong but I highly doubt they'd lie to us like that... And if it is a cover, I might not forgive them either 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: I don't think Back in the USA will be a cover. I'm sure it would've been said if it was a cover or not. Maybe I'm wrong but I highly doubt they'd lie to us like that... And if it is a cover, I might not forgive them either Am I the only one interested in the candles & am I the only one who has absolutely no interest in purchasing this album... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, SHART said: Am I the only one interested in the candles & am I the only one who has absolutely no interest in purchasing this album... You're not the only one. The candles are funny but I couldn't care less about the album 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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