Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[pouty bitch]

Omg, I literally disagree with pretty much everything that has been posted here in the past 7 hours.

I do like Devil's Kind, but I would never have wanted it to be on RevRad.

And Kerplunk is my 3rd fave GD album, whereas the trilogy and RevRad are nearer the bottom of my ranking (still love them though).

As for Billie's lyrics, I don't think time has really had an effect on how good/bad they are. There are both songs with good lyrics and songs with not so good lyrics on every album, imo.

[Christian's Inferno!]

I think lyrically, the trilogy is about the same as Kerplunk. But I think the reason it gets hated, other than a few dumb lyrics, is that people think that at this stage of their career, they should be writing better lyrics.

However, I don't mind the lyrics on the trilogy because it was intended to be fun albums and not to serious. The trilogy wasn't as serious as 21CB or AI, albums which contain imo Billie's best lyrics. People say that 21CB has some bad lyrics, but honestly I don't think any of the lyrics are bad in that album

[Hermione]

53 minutes ago, MysticManiac said:

People say that 21CB has some bad lyrics, but honestly I don't think any of the lyrics are bad in that album

This, I want to know what the bad ones are! I'm guessing people are referring to Christian's Inferno when they say that since it's weird and not to everyone's taste and stuff but can someone name any bad lyrics from any other song?!

[pacejunkie punk]

2 hours ago, Scattered Wreck said:

This is a few days old, but in my opinion HLAHG was absolute utter trash and completely unwatchable. 

As someone who loves this movie and has seen it multiple times, I’m curious to know what you think is bad about it. I like the feeling of being a fly on the wall of the studio when they were recording it and working things through, it has some genuinely funny moments and some great live performances. What’s unwatchable? (I did already mention the JOS dance sequence is kind of weird, but I love the Dylanesque American Idiot sequence with the cue cards).

[Chin for a Day]

29 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

As someone who loves this movie and has seen it multiple times, I’m curious to know what you think is bad about it. I like the feeling of being a fly on the wall of the studio when they were recording it and working things through, it has some genuinely funny moments and some great live performances. What’s unwatchable? (I did already mention the JOS dance sequence is kind of weird, but I love the Dylanesque American Idiot sequence with the cue cards).

The entire film was poorly done. It did not give any insight into the recording process at all. The few moments it started to get into something interested, it didn't follow through and left us hanging. For example, they started the creative process of the logo and then all of a sudden we had the logo. They didn't tell how they came up with it, the thought process ,etc. It went from "we want a logo" to heres your logo. The entire film was disjointed, it didn't flow. Then there were those awful dance sequences which just made the issue of the flow of the film that much worse. Overall, I feel it was an extremely poorly made film. To me it felt like a High School project. 

Again, just my opinion.

[solongfromthestars]

1 hour ago, Hermione said:

This, I want to know what the bad ones are! I'm guessing people are referring to Christian's Inferno when they say that since it's weird and not to everyone's taste and stuff but can someone name any bad lyrics from any other song?!

Maybe Know Your Enemy? Not that I agree but a lot of people complain that it's repetitive and the lyrics are meaningless. Or the lyrics as a whole are "trying too hard" or "too metaphorical" or whatever?

Lyrically, I think 21st Century Breakdown is Billie's best work (and also my favourite work of all time). He has written bad lyrics but not on that album. Can't agree with any criticisms there  

[Jollyroger118]

1 hour ago, Maria Gloria said:

Maybe Know Your Enemy? Not that I agree but a lot of people complain that it's repetitive and the lyrics are meaningless. Or the lyrics as a whole are "trying too hard" or "too metaphorical" or whatever?

Lyrically, I think 21st Century Breakdown is Billie's best work (and also my favourite work of all time). He has written bad lyrics but not on that album. Can't agree with any criticisms there  

Let me rephrase what I said, to me 2 at is an amazing album but it's the first akvun where it seemed he started to use cliche and meaningless lyrics cause they sounded good or profound. Like "did you stand too close to the fire like a liar looking for forgiveness from a stone" wtf does a liar and a stone have to do with each other? See the light is also full of them. The whole album is. I think musically it's their most diverse and best. And theres a lot of really powerful and meaningful lyrics in it but then there's a lot that are basically meaningless and just bad. But I'll always love that album.

[Libertine Angel]

Yeah, very rarely do I find any post-21CB lyrics to be on par with the rest of their stuff. Playing 2000LYA after Youngblood in London in February really hit that for me, it's like they were saying "here's a love song written now, and now here's one from decades ago that's a fuckton better".

[Beerjeezus]

4 hours ago, Jollyroger118 said:

Let me rephrase what I said, to me 2 at is an amazing album but it's the first akvun where it seemed he started to use cliche and meaningless lyrics cause they sounded good or profound. Like "did you stand too close to the fire like a liar looking for forgiveness from a stone" wtf does a liar and a stone have to do with each other? See the light is also full of them. The whole album is. I think musically it's their most diverse and best. And theres a lot of really powerful and meaningful lyrics in it but then there's a lot that are basically meaningless and just bad. But I'll always love that album.

That liar/stone thing is particularly good only because the methaphor is way too obvious.

[DeJennsitized]

I love it when Billie does abstract shit. That's partly why 21stCB is my fave. I'm sure there are a few times when he uses lyrics that just sound good, but part of the fun is trying to find meaning in it. 21CB makes me think and I like that.

[Jollyroger118]

50 minutes ago, Billie Joe Armstrong said:

That liar/stone thing is particularly good only because the methaphor is way too obvious.

What?

[Rob]

Blink's self titled>American Idiot

Neighborhoods and Dogs Eating Dogs (while hardly perfect themselves, I know)>all of Green Day's post AI work

 

But i'm  especially passionate about the former point. Looking at it in retrospect now, blink's 2003 album sonically took a lot more creative leaps and bounds than AI did, was very well executed in songwriting and structure, was a lot more cohesive and is the most unique pop punk album I've ever heard. I always thought (and a lot more now in recent years) they should've gotten the respect and attention AI got. But by that time, blink was too cemented as the "guys that ran around naked on MTV" to be judged fairly across the board (imo of course).

 

nail me to the cross everybody  

[Beerjeezus]

9 hours ago, Jollyroger118 said:

What?

Lol sorry, I wanted to say it isn't particularly good because it's an obvious metaphor, not that it is. Autocorrect got in the way. 

[Thatsername]

29 minutes ago, Rob said:

Blink's self titled>American Idiot

I feel like those albums can't even be compared because they're so different. I love Blink's self titled album, but it's just on a whole different level than AI or any of GD's work for me.

[Chin for a Day]

I always find it interesting when people compare Blink and GD. I know it is natural, they are supposedly in the same genre. However, I have actually never met anyone older that is a fan of Blink. Most people I know, in my " older" age bracket have never even heard of them, let alone are fans of them. I find it is just the opposite with GD, most people have heard of GD and many are fans. While there are a few Blink songs that I enjoy, overall, I have never heard Blink do anything that even remotely compares to GD. This may sound strange, but I find GD's music much more mature and intricate. To me most of Blink's music is more pop than punk (which isn't a bad thing) but not as developed and niche. GD's fanbase is more diverse, it transcends age. I think that is because they don't fall into a strict pop punk category.

I just don't think Blink and GD are in the same category. 

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

3 hours ago, Rob said:

Neighborhoods and Dogs Eating Dogs (while hardly perfect themselves, I know)>all of Green Day's post AI work

 

I mean, personally I don’t enjoy 21CB all that much, but there’s no way you can even objectively compare Neighborhoods and some EP most non-blink 182 fans haven’t even heard of to it. 

[pouty bitch]

Neighborhoods is one of Blink's worst albums imo. I could never see it being better than any of GD's work.

[Jollyroger118]

5 hours ago, Billie Joe Armstrong said:

Lol sorry, I wanted to say it isn't particularly good because it's an obvious metaphor, not that it is. Autocorrect got in the way. 

Lol that's okay I was just confuzzeld 

I like both Blink and Green Day but imo you can hardly compare them. I find Green Day more mature and darker than Blink and Green Day have a lot less annoying songs. They're both kinda based on the same mold but Blink sounds way more pop and I just prefer Green Days harder sound. But I never listened to Blinks self titled album as a whole so I'm gonna do that now however I can't imagine it comparing to AI

[The Grohl]

Yeah I agree. I love both Blink- and Green Day, but I feel Blink's untitled was massive for a different reason than AI. Up to that point, Blink were known for making songs about dick and fart jokes, at least that's what everyone believed. The 2003 album is where they turned it around and it's fucking fantastic. But I don't really think the two are on the same playing field. I can't really compare Blink to GD because they have different vibes, different moods, different sounds. 

And I dunno why so many people around my age see Blink-182 as a nostalgia act. Whenever I bring them up people are like "Oh yeah...I listened to them in high school." It's just weird to me. I'm in my late 20s and I still love (older) Blink. I kind of given up on "new" Blink.

[AmyxLongview]

You can't really compare them because Green Day are lightyears better than Blink. It's weird to me how they were still writing songs about high school when they were well into their 20s (also their newest album was really high school-y). When you watch live videos you can really see how much better Green Day is. I still like listening to Blink sometimes though. But they don't come near the level Green Day is at.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

It's funny to hear everyone talk about how much better Green Day is than blink-182 because in my experience, when you bring up blink-182 in casual conversation with people my age, people typically are much more receptive to blink-182 than Green Day. I feel like being a blink-182 fan is much more "acceptable" and the band is more "mainstream," though that doesn't necessarily mean they're objectively better or long-lasting... that's just my anecdotal experience as a fan of both bands.

That being said, most people who have more positive reactions to blink-182 are probably unaware they're even still a band.  

[Chin for a Day]

4 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

It's funny to hear everyone talk about how much better Green Day is than blink-182 because in my experience, when you bring up blink-182 in casual conversation with people my age, people typically are much more receptive to blink-182 than Green Day. I feel like being a blink-182 fan is much more "acceptable" and the band is more "mainstream," though that doesn't necessarily mean they're objectively better or long-lasting... that's just my anecdotal experience as a fan of both bands.

That being said, most people who have more positive reactions to blink-182 are probably unaware they're even still a band.  

Part of my point is that it is with people your age. People of older ages and in some instances younger ages have no clue who Blink-182 is.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

12 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said:

Part of my point is that it is with people your age. People of older ages and in some instances younger ages have no clue who Blink-182 is.

Yeah, I don't disagree. It's just interesting to see all the different viewpoints. You have the "Green Day is a legendary band" people and then the "Green Day are emo posers who don't deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" people and everything in-between.

[Jollyroger118]

2 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

Yeah, I don't disagree. It's just interesting to see all the different viewpoints. You have the "Green Day is a legendary band" people and then the "Green Day are emo posers who don't deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" people and everything in-between.

American idiot came out right when emo and scene music for big and pop punk had a second coming but I hate when Green Day gets associated with that. Even though some of my favorite bands came from that time (taking back sunday, all time low, the academy is) I feel like Green Day is very different from that and it's hard to fit Green Day into a single genre or era besides just punk

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

1 minute ago, Jollyroger118 said:

American idiot came out right when emo and scene music for big and pop punk had a second coming but I hate when Green Day gets associated with that. Even though some of my favorite bands came from that time (taking back sunday, all time low, the academy is) I feel like Green Day is very different from that and it's hard to fit Green Day into a single genre or era besides just punk

Honestly, I feel like it's hard to even fit them in the punk genre sometimes, but that's fine. I feel like "rock" is probably the best category if one is absolutely required, but regardless, people are going to get pissed off no matter what you call them.