Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[-Billiejoezee-]

Warning was the first Green Day album I bought and minority was my first green day song so whenever someone says anything remotely bad about it I just cover my ears, I’m extremely biased  but I do believe the album is perfect and I actually liked the art, very simple and the images were nice. 

[pouty bitch]

I absolutely love Minority. It's one of the songs that got me into GD.

On another note, I actually really like Ashley. I never really paid much attention to it before, but after a discussion the other day (in this thread, I think), I just had to go and listen to it a few times. I really enjoyed it - it was much better than I remembered.

[The Bellie]

11 hours ago, Kuromignonne said:

Warning is one of the few stuff I want to listen to when I feel a bit... I'm gonna listen to it today I think!

So I listened to Warning at the beginning of the day. And ended up listening to Hold On 10 times in repeat. It really is one of the very few songs, not only that I relate to very hard, but also that re-balance me emotionally. I don't feel like listening to it every day, but when I do, it's most often that I'm in a shaky state and it helps me picking myself up again.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

4 hours ago, Kuromignonne said:

So I listened to Warning at the beginning of the day. And ended up listening to Hold On 10 times in repeat. It really is one of the very few songs, not only that I relate to very hard, but also that re-balance me emotionally. I don't feel like listening to it every day, but when I do, it's most often that I'm in a shaky state and it helps me picking myself up again.

Hold on is so underrated.  I feel the same way - love it.

[Hermione]

16 hours ago, RedundantIdiot said:

I like Last of the American Girls, but I would've gone with The Static Age or Murder City as a single rather than LOTAG.

Pretty sure "It's in the American Idiot Musical which we're currently promoting" was the only reasoning behind picking LOTAG as a single. The timing of the musical didn't have a good effect on what was done with 21st CB's singles.

[pouty bitch]

I don't know how unpopular this is, but Ordinary World is in my top 3 songs from RevRad. I absolutely love it.

[Eric]

6 minutes ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

I don't know how unpopular this is, but Ordinary World is in my top 3 songs from RevRad. I absolutely love it.

Very unpopular!  most hate it and think it doesn't even belong on RR.  

[pouty bitch]

5 minutes ago, Eric said:

Very unpopular!  most hate it and think it doesn't even belong on RR.  

I wouldn't say people hate it, I just don't see many people that particularly like it very much.

I can kinda understand about people not thinking it belongs on RevRad though. At first, I didn't really feel like I could enjoy it because it was written for Billie's film which had nothing to do with Green Day, so it didn't feel like it should be a Green Day song on a Green Day album. However, I can't deny that I really like the song, and some of Billie's live performances of it were great.

[-Billiejoezee-]

18 hours ago, SHART said:

Hold on is so underrated.  I feel the same way - love it.

That harmonica 

[Eric]

3 minutes ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

I wouldn't say people hate it, I just don't see many people that particularly like it very much.

I can kinda understand about people not thinking it belongs on RevRad though. At first, I didn't really feel like I could enjoy it because it was written for Billie's film which had nothing to do with Green Day, so it didn't feel like it should be a Green Day song on a Green Day album. However, I can't deny that I really like the song, and some of Billie's live performances of it were great.

so what if it was written for a film? if anything it's the same tier of a song as Good Riddance for example,  in the sense its an acoustic song at the very end of an album.  I just think it was a way for them to be like..." oh ok guys I found the flaw...slow song, originally debuting on a movie. " Sorry I can't pretend to understand a silly idea that it shouldn't of belong on RevRad. 

[pouty bitch]

3 minutes ago, Eric said:

so what if it was written for a film? if anything it's the same tier of a song as Good Riddance for example,  in the sense its an acoustic song at the very end of an album.  I just think it was a way for them to be like..." oh ok guys I found the flaw...slow song, originally debuting on a movie. " Sorry I can't pretend to understand a silly idea that it shouldn't of belong on RevRad. 

I'm not saying it doesn't belong on RevRad, I'm saying I can see why some people may think that. And I feel pretty much the same way towards Good Riddance as I do to Ordinary World. It's not the fact that it's from a film that makes it different, it's the fact that it's just Billie. I know so many people that claim to be GD fans, but they don't even know who Mike Dirnt and Tre Cool are, and it irritates me that they don't get the recognition they deserve. That's why I'm kinda wary when Billie incorporates solo songs into GD's work, especially when said song was written for a project that is totally unrelated to Green Day. One of the reasons I love this band is because I've always seen them as exactly that: a band. All three of them pull their weight and contribute to the songs. I'm okay with Billie having the odd solo song on a Green Day album, just as long as it doesn't become a regular thing.

[Beerjeezus]

OW might have been written for a film, but it doesn't mean it can't have a relation to the band or be interpreted that way. The way I understand it, it's not some kind of a movie song that was put on the album just because it would help the movie/make the album longer, but it's an important part of the story revrad tells. It makes a perfect ending.

RevRad begins with SN, which is a song about questioning life. Withought OW, it would end with FN - a song full of hope, but OW has something more. Reconciliation. And that's so important. Themes repeat in Green Day songs. After I've heard FN, I can't help but think of songs like Holden Caulfield (that song is actually so sad) or JOS/Homecoming. You know what I'm getting at? It's always hope and determination but then it all vanishes, stagnates, gets to the starting point. That's the story of the main character of AI and it's the exact same story as the one told in the chorus of Holden Caulfield. The fact that revrad ends with OW and not FN is what makes it a positive ending imo. It's not a happy ending, it's the same kind of ending the movie has. I could call it bittersweet but what seems more important is that it's about moving on. 

Closing with FN would be the same kind of ending as See The Light. Hopeful but not definite. After hearing so many pessimistic songs on 21CB, I can't help thinking that the fading out chords might as well are take the narrator back to the start. As I see it, revrad as a whole would lose a lot of the positive feeling it has withought OW. That song totally belongs there.

Edited October 7, 2017 by Jane Lannister
I haven't had so many thoughts in a long time lol

[The Bellie]

6 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

Closing with FN would be the same kind of ending as See The Light. Hopeful but not definite. After hearing so many pessimistic songs on 21CB, I can't help thinking that the fading out chords might as well are take the narrator back to the start. As I see it, revrad as a whole would lose a lot of the positive feeling it has withought OW. That song totally belongs there.

Without feeling exactly the same about all these songs and the comparisons you make, I do agree that Ordinary World is a great way to end RevRad, right after Forever Now. If we didn't know it was originally in / for the movie I think people could hardly feel that it doesn't belong there.

1 hour ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

I'm okay with Billie having the odd solo song on a Green Day album, just as long as it doesn't become a regular thing.

The first odd solo song, Good Riddance, had hell of an importance on Nimrod, though , as it has been proven until now,! But 20 years later, this seems to be a rare thing. I wouldn't personally bother if it became a regular thing in the future, Billie is the (main) songwriter and whatever they put on the album, I think they all agree to.

[pouty bitch]

8 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

The first odd solo song, Good Riddance, had hell of an importance on Nimrod, though , as it has been proven until now,! But 20 years later, this seems to be a rare thing.

 Hell yeah, Good Riddance was iconic, but if they continue putting these "odd solo songs" on Green Day albums, I feel songs like Good Riddance would lose their importance. Good Riddance was huge for them because it was so different to most of their previous work. At the time, it was unique, however, if they keep releasing these types of songs, it will no longer be unique, imo.

 

15 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

I wouldn't personally bother if it became a regular thing in the future, Billie is the (main) songwriter and whatever they put on the album, I think they all agree to.

For me, it would depend how "regular" it became. I just don't want to see Mike and Tre become "excluded" from their own band. Yes, Billie is the main songwriter and he seems to do the most for the band, but he wouldn't have got anywhere near where he is now without Mike and Tre. I feel like less and less people are appreciating what Mike and Tre do for the band - to me, Green Day will always be Billie, Mike and Tre. However, there are plenty of people out there who think Green Day = just Billie.

As much as I love Billie's solo songs, I'm glad it's a rare thing atm. If it's a song that all three of them really like and it fits in with the rest of the album, go ahead and put it on the album. Maybe I'm just looking too far into the future, but I just don't want it to get to the point where there's multiple solo Billie songs on every album, because to me, that wouldn't be a Green Day album.

[Christian's Inferno!]

I don't hate OW but it's my least favourite song on RevRad. Similarly, I think Good Riddance is GD's most overrated song. If it was released today, it wouldn't have gotten close to the same response as it did back in 1997. I just don't find these songs very good or interesting. And it's not because they're slow songs, I love loads of slower GD songs but these ones don't interest me as much. I think the band sound better together than just Billie Joe.

And it's not very unpopular to have OW being a favourite, Eric just thinks that because he's seen a couple of people saying that they don't like it and thinks that's the overall opinion of GDC on it 

[The Bellie]

35 minutes ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

 Hell yeah, Good Riddance was iconic, but if they continue putting these "odd solo songs" on Green Day albums, I feel songs like Good Riddance would lose their importance. Good Riddance was huge for them because it was so different to most of their previous work. At the time, it was unique, however, if they keep releasing these types of songs, it will no longer be unique, imo.

Well, I think even that would be okay, things are not supposed to be like 20 years ago. And just because it's an acoustic song that Billie plays alone doesn't mean it's going to take something away from Good Riddance or from any other song. Every song is unique, and I think it would be too bad if Good Riddance's brilliant journey prevented Green Day from releasing other songs of this type if they just want to.

35 minutes ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

For me, it would depend how "regular" it became. I just don't want to see Mike and Tre become "excluded" from their own band. Yes, Billie is the main songwriter and he seems to do the most for the band, but he wouldn't have got anywhere near where he is now without Mike and Tre. I feel like less and less people are appreciating what Mike and Tre do for the band - to me, Green Day will always be Billie, Mike and Tre. However, there are plenty of people out there who think Green Day = just Billie.

I completely agree with you, Green Day are Billie, Mike and Tre; I can't jump from a Billie solo song here and there to Mike and Tre becoming excluded from their own band, as you say 

On this matter, in tons of videos from their concerts and especially in 2017 since I've been binge watching these, it's more than obvious how much Billie is depending on Mike and Tre and how all three interact in the most united way. And Billie also depends on the Big Three for a lot. People thinking Green Day is just Billie must be blind, or maybe they're Billie fans but not Green Day fans, if that makes sense, lol. But I don't care why people can say that, to me seeing Green Day shows, how they all count for a great deal and do this all together is pure greatness. 

35 minutes ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

As much as I love Billie's solo songs, I'm glad it's a rare thing atm. If it's a song that all three of them really like and it fits in with the rest of the album, go ahead and put it on the album. Maybe I'm just looking too far into the future, but I just don't want it to get to the point where there's multiple solo Billie songs on every album, because to me, that wouldn't be a Green Day album.

I honestly don't think that'll happen 

 

[Montclare]

4 hours ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

I don't know how unpopular this is, but Ordinary World is in my top 3 songs from RevRad. I absolutely love it.

I adore Ordinary World.  It's in my top 15 GD songs.  To me, it flows very well with Forever Now.  I actually expect to hear it when I listen to Forever Now, and feel like I'm missing something if I don't.

And @Jane Lannister- that was a perfect way to describe it.

[pouty bitch]

11 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

And just because it's an acoustic song that Billie plays alone doesn't mean it's going to take something away from Good Riddance or from any other song. Every song is unique,

It's all just subjective, tbh. It all depends on what the song(s) would be like and people's perceptions of those songs. Songs will mean something different to everybody. Some people may hear a song that reminds them of Good Riddance, others may think that song is completely different to Good Riddance. Personally, I tend to compare GR and OW a lot, because they are the 2 acoustic Billie songs. However, those two songs are different enough that both songs are still unique, which is why I love both of them.

 

37 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

I think it would be too bad if Good Riddance's brilliant journey prevented Green Day from releasing other songs of this type if they just want to.

The way I see it, if they really wanted to release a particular song, that would probably be because that song is really special to them - there would be some kind of meaning behind that song that makes it entirely different to Good Riddance, which is okay. My problem is, if they just started churning out acoustic songs left right and centre, without putting enough thought into them, that would take away from the uniqueness of their music and GD would become too predictable.

 

47 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

I honestly don't think that'll happen 

I don't think it'll happen either - I'm just looking at worst case scenario.

[The Bellie]

10 hours ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

Songs will mean something different to everybody. Some people may hear a song that reminds them of Good Riddance, others may think that song is completely different to Good Riddance.

The way I see it, if they really wanted to release a particular song, that would probably be because that song is really special to them - there would be some kind of meaning behind that song that makes it entirely different to Good Riddance, which is okay. My problem is, if they just started churning out acoustic songs left right and centre, without putting enough thought into them, that would take away from the uniqueness of their music and GD would become too predictable.

People can find songs to remind them of others, regardless of these song being acoustic or not... I don't get the point of comparing every (possible) new acoustic song to Good Riddance.

I think if they release other acoustic songs in the future (which I don't particularly want or expect, just thinking about it here ), these songs' release shouldn't be more questionable than any other Green Day song's release. Why would they have to prove the legitimacy of an acoustic song more than other songs, and plus in comparison to Good Riddance? The way I see it, in that case Good Riddance would become a hurdle to potential new songs...  

[pouty bitch]

4 hours ago, Kuromignonne said:

People can find songs to remind them of others, regardless of these song being acoustic or not... I don't get the point of comparing every (possible) new acoustic song to Good Riddance.

I think if they release other acoustic songs in the future (which I don't particularly want or expect, just thinking about it here ), these songs' release shouldn't be more questionable than any other Green Day song's release. Why would they have to prove the legitimacy of an acoustic song more than other songs, and plus in comparison to Good Riddance? The way I see it, in that case Good Riddance would become a hurdle to potential new songs...  

I'm not talking about the songs that aren't acoustic because they involve Mike and Tre, and I specifically mean the songs that are Billie only.

My point is, some people will automatically compare Billie's solo songs because there are only 2 of them. I'm not saying that's the right thing to do or that it should be done, but it's just naturally what some people (myself included) would subconsciously do. Unless the songs are special and have their own unique flair (which OW does, imo, so no problem there), I don't see any reason to randomly release solo Billie songs. It would be unnecessary and if anything, it would just push Mike and Tre further into the background, imo.

[fuzzybluerain]

Unpopular opinion: I've never really gotten into Insomniac. Yes, the best songs on it are up there, but once you go past the best three or four it doesn't have that much depth. With Nimrod and AI, even Dookie and 21CB, you've still got some great songs behind the big singles, but I don't put Insomniac in the same light.

(I haven't listened to it in a while though, which is probably why I'm not too keen on it.)

[MillenniumFan]

Well, you’d get along perfectly with @Scattered Wreck then haha. She doesn’t even want a single Insomniac song to be played at their live shows (why, just why??)

[The Bellie]

1 hour ago, NickTheToaster said:

Unpopular opinion: I've never really gotten into Insomniac. Yes, the best songs on it are up there, but once you go past the best three or four it doesn't have that much depth. With Nimrod and AI, even Dookie and 21CB, you've still got some great songs behind the big singles, but I don't put Insomniac in the same light.

(I haven't listened to it in a while though, which is probably why I'm not too keen on it.)

I was like you at the beginning, but after getting in the lyrics and seeing live performances of the songs, especially recent since I like Billie's matured voice much better, I have to say I quite drastically changed my mind.  Insomniac is not my favorite album, but he has nothing to envy to the others.

Just gonna let this here as an example since I'm watching it:

 

[Miko]

Revolution Radio is by far their worst album ever. It would be a stretch to say there isn't a single song that sounds good (I gotta admit that Still Breathing is really powerful and sad song) but everything just feels so average. I see that Forever Now has some kind of ''this is one of their best'' vibe going around, but that song is going all over the place (just like Dirty Rotten Bastards, in a bad way) and the ending is just a complete mess with those vocals and instrumentals. Overall it's just below the average Green Day. Nothing wrong if you like it, I just can't understand the love. As for the other songs..

 

Bang Bang and Revolution Radio are both kind of forgettable and didn't do much impact to me, even though I loved Revolution Radio's opening riff.

Say Goodbye is loaded with bullshit vocal effects and repetitive vocals, but it has nice solo.

I don't even know how to describe this one; Somewhere Now is by far their worst album opening song, but that doesn't mean the song itself isn't good. 

Ordinary World is dull and doesn't has that same kind of emotion that Wake Me Up When September Ends, When It's Time and Good Riddance has. 

 

Rest of them sound and feel like fillers and don't do anything to me. They are just there, if you know what I mean. I really wish that I could connect more with these songs, but I just can't. I generally love everything that Green Day does and I will still listen their new songs, watch their concerts (because they will never come back to Finland, right?) and be a happy fan, but after I realized that Revolution Radio came out over a year ago.. I just thought to share some unpopular opinion right here. Hopefully you understand my frustation with this album.

 

Also, even though I really dislike ¡Tré! (way too many sad songs, like what the fuck. Brutal Love, Missing You, Drama Queen, X-Kid, Amanda, The Forgotten..), Amanda is really awesome song. I just wonder why the guitars sound REALLY off in this song.. did they play it as clean as possible or 0.1 distortion or what? You can really tell the difference when you listen all three albums in a row, especially comparing 99 Revolutions/Makeout Party to Amanda. But still, I love it. It's fun and catchy.

 

 

[Beerjeezus]

^I don't even know where to begin, you win this thread.