Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[-Billiejoezee-]

26 minutes ago, -Puke-Stains- said:

That's the only time during a show Billie gets to take a breather and lay down, his old ass isn't gonna give that up. 

I was about to same this lmfao

that's why Billie grunt when he lies down. He doesn't even hump the floor anymore. The break is just a reason for him to have an excuse to chill. 

[pacejunkie punk]

2 minutes ago, -Billiejoezee- said:

I was about to same this lmfao

that's why Billie grunt when he lies down. He doesn't even hump the floor anymore. The break is just a reason for him to have an excuse to chill. 

He absolutely still humps the floor.

[-Billiejoezee-]

10 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

He absolutely still humps the floor.

Does he??? Holy shit I haven't noticed on this tour then. 

[Hermione]

3 minutes ago, -Billiejoezee- said:

Does he??? Holy shit I haven't noticed on this tour then. 

Yeah he didn't at the start of the tour but he's got bolder/saucier as it's gone on and he's back humping now  

I don't buy that the reason for lying down is just to have a break, he rolls around and humps and sings and gives speeches and leads chants the whole time, it's hardly a nap . Still it probably does help a bit, he seems to have an almost inhuman amount of energy running and jumping about the rest of the time.

[Chin for a Day]

Not only does Billie still hump the floor, he does it while he calls my name. 

[-Billiejoezee-]

13 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Yeah he didn't at the start of the tour but he's got bolder/saucier as it's gone on and he's back humping now  

I don't buy that the reason for lying down is just to have a break, he rolls around and humps and sings and gives speeches and leads chants the whole time, it's hardly a nap . Still it probably does help a bit, he seems to have an almost inhuman amount of energy running and jumping about the rest of the time.

I'm disappointed I haven't caught this.  maybe it does help as a little break. I noticed in the last two shows of this tour he kind of just laid there for a bit without saying anything then he just looked at the audience and that's it  then he started saying a few things, but you're right, he's definitely an energizer bunny. I'm a little jealous that a 45 year old man has 100x more energy than I do. 

[Hermione]

9 minutes ago, -Billiejoezee- said:

I'm a little jealous that a 45 year old man has 100x more energy than I do. 

Same . He's pogoing up and down with his guitar on effortlessly and sprinting down the runway while still having enough breath to sing and I'm like how are you doing that when I ache all over just standing in the crowd. He's like a superhero on stage.

[-Billiejoezee-]

2 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Same . He's pogoing up and down with his guitar on effortlessly and sprinting down the runway while still having enough breath to sing and I'm like how are you doing that when I ache all over just standing in the crowd. He's like a superhero on stage.

Right? Like he's running back and forth jumping up and down yelling and singing then there's me, in pain for four days after 1 single show. 

He is a superhero on stage! When they're on break he's probably recharging himself to 100% so that once the tour starts he can go BOING  everywhere. 

[jengd]

I've always thought Billie is a deep thinker and some of his songs seem open to a simple interpretation and some don't, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are different ways of looking at many of them, I think he can be quite introspective a lot of the time.  I love that about his song writing, I also like as Tre said in an interview I think around 21CB, that the songs sound great and upbeat, so you can be bouncing around quite happily and then listen more closely and think, wait, what is this about?  and about how some of the lyrics are very dark, in fact, I remember now that they were talking about how Christian's Inferno is about revenge.  

All bar Amy, I think it's their worst song by a country mile.

5 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Same . He's pogoing up and down with his guitar on effortlessly and sprinting down the runway while still having enough breath to sing and I'm like how are you doing that when I ache all over just standing in the crowd. He's like a superhero on stage.

At the O2 this year, I actually said to the two girls beside me that I needed the break, I can't keep jumping with him for 2.5 hours, and it takes my knees about a week to recover lol. 

[-Billiejoezee-]

1 minute ago, jengd said:

 

All bar Amy, I think it's their worst song by a country mile.

Really? That's an interesting pick for worst song. I really like it; not going to lie sometimes i think it would have been a better fit as a B side track or on demolicious or something, but it's a sweet dedication IMO

[LaughingClock]

5 hours ago, Eric said:

Any song that many times will get on your nerves.

 

KFAD at least is fun and different. 

Not true. I have heard many songs more than KFAD that don't ever get anooying to me. It's great the first time and there is a tiny bit of improv I dig. I love when Freeze breaks into Careless but no, JOS is 100x better no matter how many times I hear it so I must respectfully disageee.

5 hours ago, Scattered Wreck said:

Funny, it's JOS that grates on my nerves not KFAD. I just don't think it plays well live at all. KFAD is at least fun and you can jump and scream and overall just act like a 2 year old and no one will care.  

JOB doesn't play well live? Wow. I never thought I'd here those words typed or uttered.

IMHO I think it's the quintisential live song of all time and feel the same about it on the album. I don't know a single person (until now) that doesn't love it live (which is why they usually close with it because most agree).

What makes it not play well live to you because excuse me for assuming but if you say it doesn't play well live, I'm assuming you don't like the live version but do the studio. That song takes the crowd on a journey through slow melodic breakdowns, pure thrash, great musicianship from a band that usually doesn't show that off much, to just a great production from a live vantage point. I've never seen an unhappy crowd after JOS so I have to ask, what don't you like about it live? 

FTR, I used JOS as my example before reading your response. Coincidental and a drop ironic I suppose.

To each his own but not liking JOS live is a kin to not liking ice cream. When you find someone that doesn't you have to find out why?!? Lol.

Waiting/St. Jimmy is another that falls into the "I don't care how many times I hear it", it's still amazing list. KFAD has made me want to stab my ears while listening to unless I'm there with a first timer in which case I enjoy it vicariously. Rock, slow break, thrash, danceable, beatiful, lyrically amazing, the pinochle of one of their best albums. Why SR? Ha

[-Billiejoezee-]

I was really excited when they brought back JOS onto the setlist and I'm still very excited every time I hear it. It never gets old for me, it's exciting for me because it's 9 minutes, making the show few longer (cause I don't want it to end at that point )

[-Puke-Stains-]

2 hours ago, Scattered Wreck said:

Not only does Billie still hump the floor, he does it while he calls my name. 

He's singing a fantastic Beatles song that was written about a boy named Jude, not your name.

[The Bellie]

2 hours ago, jengd said:

I've always thought Billie is a deep thinker and some of his songs seem open to a simple interpretation and some don't, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are different ways of looking at many of them, I think he can be quite introspective a lot of the time.  I love that about his song writing, I also like as Tre said in an interview I think around 21CB, that the songs sound great and upbeat, so you can be bouncing around quite happily and then listen more closely and think, wait, what is this about? 

2 hours ago, jengd said:

All bar Amy, I think it's their worst song by a country mile.

1 hour ago, LaughingClock said:

JOB doesn't play well live? Wow. I never thought I'd here those words typed or uttered.

IMHO I think it's the quintisential live song of all time and feel the same about it on the album. I don't know a single person (until now) that doesn't love it live (which is why they usually close with it because most agree).

I've never seen an unhappy crowd after JOS so I have to ask, what don't you like about it live? 

I love that song, album version even though it's not my most beloved one on the album , and live as well, but as far as what I have experienced, I disagree with you about the whole audience always loving it. During the RevRad tour, it's played after American Idiot following Forever Now following Still Breathing. Especially Forever Now easily competes with JOS on the quintessential and epic ground, and it comes before in the setlist. I think people can get lost during JOS, starting from part 3 of the song, especially if they can't have a good sight on the stage (if you can see Billie all the time you can't get bored, unfortunately sometimes there aren't even huge screens for the people in the back!), while they won't get lost during Forever Now for instance, no matter how far they are. The dynamics of the two songs aren't the same. At least, this is pretty much what I've observed for the 3 shows I'v been to this year.

1 hour ago, LaughingClock said:

Waiting/St. Jimmy is another that falls into the "I don't care how many times I hear it", it's still amazing list. 

Love these as well, hope they never stop playing them! 

[LaughingClock]

6 hours ago, Hermione said:

I will say they could do with switching up the covers during Shout, since they've been sticking with the same ones for a while. But that's my only criticism of it  

Yeah this is one time when he's spelled out the overall meaning/intent of the song pretty clearly. I like/agree with your description of it as an apocalyptic thing, with the grand themes of the album I think he's expressing his love through a literal "last night on earth" situation.

Wait, I said that. Lol.

On the serious tip, I think that the song being written for 80 makes sense (and aside from the fact that he said it so obviously) but as I said, if it's written for another, it was someone he loved quite a bit and he's never loved someone like he loves his wife. It's very endearing and makes me love him more. You'll all see why when you're married for 20 years. It takes a special kind of man to stay in real love that long.

As for the phrase we're discussing, I think it just means as we said that eventually "there is nothing I wouldn't do for our love" even if it meant "losing everything through the fire" as in "I'd walk through hell and back for my love for you" again whether that means anything as mundane to being faithful to killing for your honor. 

It actually brings up the thought of a great song that you guys probably don't know (but for the abused sample) but I think it's the same type of "fire" that Chaka Khan was talking about in "Through the Fire". You tell me: (same type of fire she's talking about in her love) but she says "Through the fire, to the limit, to the wall, for a chance to be with you, ID  GLADLY RISK IT ALL, right down through the wire, even through the fire." - Chaka Kahn

 

[-Billiejoezee-]

5 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

Wait, I said that. Lol.

On the serious tip, I think that the song being written for 80 makes sense (and aside from the fact that he said it so obviously) but as I said, if it's written for another, it was someone he loved quite a bit and he's never loved someone like he loves his wife. It's very endearing and makes me love him more. You'll all see why when you're married for 20 years. It takes a special kind of man to stay in real love that long.

As for the phrase we're discussing, I think it just means as we said that eventually "there is nothing I wouldn't do for our love" even if it meant "losing everything through the fire" as in "I'd walk through hell and back for my love for you" again whether that means anything as mundane to being faithful to killing for your honor. 

It actually brings up the thought of a great song that you guys probably don't know (but for the abused sample) but I think it's the same type of "fire" that Chaka Khan was talking about in "Through the Fire". You tell me: (same type of fire she's talking about in her love) but she says "for whatever come what me"

 

Well said. The love Billie has for Adrienne is absolutely admirable and not everyone gets that lucky, I guess which is why I'd want it as my wedding song, it's extremely romantic and deep in a sense. And I love all these analyses haha

[-Puke-Stains-]

I guess this is probably an unpopular opinion... someone mentioned how they love that Green Day's songs can be interpreted in a ton of different ways and personally, that always really bugged me off. When I listen to a Green Day song, I really don't care to know how someone else interpreted it. The only thing I care about is what Billie's reasoning behind the songs were. 

[LaughingClock]

37 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

I love that song, album version even though it's not my most beloved one on the album , and live as well, but as far as what I have experienced, I disagree with you about the whole audience always loving it. During the RevRad tour, it's played after American Idiot following Forever Now following Still Breathing. Especially Forever Now easily competes with JOS on the quintessential and epic ground, and it comes before in the setlist. I think people can get lost during JOS, starting from part 3 of the song, especially if they can't have a good sight on the stage (if you can see Billie all the time you can't get bored, unfortunately sometimes there aren't even huge screens for the people in the back!), while they won't get lost during Forever Now for instance, no matter how far they are. The dynamics of the two songs aren't the same. At least, this is pretty much what I've observed for the 3 shows I'v been to this year.

Love these as well, hope they never stop playing them! 

FN is the closer of the first set. The entire tour for the most part, JOS had been their first encore closer after American Idiot and is insanely more popular than any other song live. The second encore song is always supposed to be what Billie or whomever thinks is the biggest crowd pleaser and I don't know what shows you're going to but JOS is always mayhem.  I feel like this is The Twilight Zone. No doubt that FN is one of their greatest songs and definitely one of, if not the best from RevRad but JOS is still getting second encore playing after being on the discography for 13-14 years.

At the end of the day, it's all subjective. Someone loves KFAD the most, just not me.

I wouldn't quite put FN on par with JOS and I say that with FN being one of my personal favorite songs of all time and I've seen them both live enough times to have my opinion but it's fine that you think different but you can't really argue crowd response and it's always MASSIVE for JOS although it is too for FN but again second encore song is always supposed to be the strongest perceived song (generally and especially for GD).  I have been to and if I looked could find more but FN people love for sure but I wouldn't put it on JOS level just yet.

 

22 minutes ago, -Puke-Stains- said:

I guess this is probably an unpopular opinion... someone mentioned how they love that Green Day's songs can be interpreted in a ton of different ways and personally, that always really bugged me off. When I listen to a Green Day song, I really don't care to know how someone else interpreted it. The only thing I care about is what Billie's reasoning behind the songs were. 

I don't think that it's that unpopular and TBH although he does right lyrics that are interpretable, he usually does have an exact meaning. Especially a lot of the songs on RevRad have been discussed ad nauseam but many of them, in fact most, at least the idea of the song has an exact meaning and wanting to know it is fine. Keep in mind that many poets write with their own agenda but pueposefully leave it open for interpretation. It's a skill to do that and one that he posesses quite well.

[pacejunkie punk]

19 minutes ago, -Puke-Stains- said:

I guess this is probably an unpopular opinion... someone mentioned how they love that Green Day's songs can be interpreted in a ton of different ways and personally, that always really bugged me off. When I listen to a Green Day song, I really don't care to know how someone else interpreted it. The only thing I care about is what Billie's reasoning behind the songs were. 

I do want to know the intended meaning of the song first and foremost (it matters to me because it helps me get to know him better in a way) but after that, the songs I connect with most are the ones that have personal meaning to me that will likely be different. That still forms a connection between writer and listener. Billie explained it best in BIAB, talking about how with JOS everyone brings their own set of baggage to the song but the connection he has with the audience over it is indescribable.

[LaughingClock]

29 minutes ago, -Billiejoezee- said:

Well said. The love Billie has for Adrienne is absolutely admirable and not everyone gets that lucky, I guess which is why I'd want it as my wedding song, it's extremely romantic and deep in a sense. And I love all these analyses haha

Ha. You're song was much more appropriate. This my wife and I's wedding song in 2006.  It surprised most but we danced to it perfectly. Practiced for a month.

 

[-Puke-Stains-]

35 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I do want to know the intended meaning of the song first and foremost (it matters to me because it helps me get to know him better in a way) but after that, the songs I connect with most are the ones that have personal meaning to me that will likely be different. That still forms a connection between writer and listener. Billie explained it best in BIAB, talking about how with JOS everyone brings their own set of baggage to the song but the connection he has with the audience over it is indescribable.

For me personally, I connect with the songs that Billie puts a lot of himself into. It's the ones that cut deep in his soul that resonate with me. But that's just me, that's how I take music. I want the musicians raw emotions, not what I take out of them. Which is why a song like Jesus of Suburbia is so special to me. 

[The Bellie]

7 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

FN is the closer of the first set. The entire tour for the most part, JOS had been their first encore closer after American Idiot and is insanely more popular than any other song live. The second encore song is always supposed to be what Billie or whomever thinks is the biggest crowd pleaser and I don't know what shows you're going to but JOS is always mayhem.  I feel like this is The Twilight Zone. No doubt that FN is one of their greatest songs and definitely one of, if not the best from RevRad but JOS is still getting second encore playing after being on the discography for 13-14 years.

At the end of the day, it's all subjective. Someone loves KFAD the most, just not me.

I wouldn't quite put FN on par with JOS and I say that with FN being one of my personal favorite songs of all time and I've seen them both live enough times to have my opinion but it's fine that you think different but you can't really argue crowd response and it's always MASSIVE for JOS although it is too for FN but again second encore song is always supposed to be the strongest perceived song (generally and especially for GD).  I have been to and if I looked could find more but FN people love for sure but I wouldn't put it on JOS level just yet.

I've been a fan for one big year and only witnessed the current era (aside from that, I've seen a great deal of videos from the previous tours ); I've attended 2 shows in Paris and the one in Hyde Park. I never thought of a supposed hierarchy between the last songs of the set and the songs of the first encore, I'm only speaking of my impressions from the shows I've been to. For seeing videos of other shows of the RevRad tour, "my" shows may not have been representative of the whole. Also, I'm mentioning Forever Now because I do feel, all the more since it didn't exist in previous tours, that it being played just before the first encore have something to do with not an exceptional enthusiasm of the audience during Jesus Of Suburbia, not more than for other songs, or not as much as examples during some previous tours perhaps, such as the videos you've posted above. I'm not saying people get bored during JOS. But the greatness of the reactions during Still Breathing+Forever Now, for what I could experience at least, makes it difficult to catch up for the following long song. This was most particularly true in the show in Paris in last February where there were no screens at all (I know, it's a shame) and people did get lost, even though the audience knew quite well all the songs. I think the visual aspect of JOS is essential. Also, about JOS album version /JOS live, although I personally love it live - when I can see -, seeing it live hasn't increased the love I'd already had for it. While seeing Still Breathing+Forever Now live instantly turned these into my favorite songs, which wasn't the case before, and I keep getting more and more addict to every new live version. 

[The Bellie]

6 minutes ago, -Puke-Stains- said:

For me personally, I connect with the songs that Billie puts a lot of himself into. It's the ones that cut deep in his soul that resonate with me. But that's just me, that's how I take music. I want the musicians raw emotions, not what I take out of them. Which is why a song like Jesus of Suburbia is so special to me. 

Why do I feel so uncomfortable reading this? "It's the ones that cut deep in his soul that resonate with me"... As a fan, I don't find it right to tell which are the songs in which Billie puts a lot of himself... as opposed to other songs, for which supposedly we have to "take out" of the emotions we feel in these songs in order to love them. 

I find it only right to say I love a song because it resonates to me, for I'm not Billie, nor are you, and we don' know his soul in all its deepness, but we all resonate with him through his songwriting and his music on one side, and our own sensibility and understanding on the other side. So we all resonate with his soul in each of us' own personal way. 

[solongfromthestars]

I don't think it's unpopular to be uninterested in others' interpretations of Billie's writing... I've seen fans get called many unpleasant things over the years for sharing their own interpretations It's fine if people aren't interested but there's still nothing wrong with discussing them, if someone isn't bothered they don't have to read them.

I'm interested in both the original meanings of songs and my own and others' interpretations. I think Billie intends a lot of his work to be open to interpretation considering how he talked about Still Breathing being open to everyone and JOS as mentioned above. It's one of the many reasons Green Day are so accessible to so many people.

[-Puke-Stains-]

12 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said:

Why do I feel so uncomfortable reading this? "It's the ones that cut deep in his soul that resonate with me"... As a fan, I don't find it right to tell which are the songs in which Billie puts a lot of himself... as opposed to other songs, for which supposedly we have to "take out" of the emotions we feel in these songs in order to love them. 

I mean... it's not hard to read or watch an interview and let the man speak for himself about his own lyrics.