Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, Patrick Lamontagne said:

How many album do you think Green Day can still do?

As many as they fucking want. 😉

[AmyxLongview]

Bang Bang is overrated. 

[pacejunkie punk]

32 minutes ago, AmyxLongview said:

Bang Bang is overrated. 

😱😱😱 Ohnoyoudidnt!!!

[gaslight13]

2 hours ago, Patrick Lamontagne said:

How many album do you think Green Day can still do?

 

2 hours ago, Jane Lannister said:

I don't like guessing how much time people have left. 

Yeah, that's like asking how many more years do you think they'll live? Since I can't see them deciding to quit. Not something I wanna think about. 

[MillenniumFan]

I've got an unpopular one, I've always had it in the back of my head, but now I want to say it:

1.) The trilogy is massively overrated on this forum! I think it easily the worst material they have ever released in their career all things considered.

2. ) Though not as much, I do also think that RevRad is overrated on GDC too. It really hurts me to say that, because I really like RevRad (especially when compared to the trilogy), but all things considered it just doesn't compare to previous albums such as American Idiot, Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod or Warning. I just don't agree with the 5 Star ratings that some users here give it. Again, it's not a bad album, it fulfilled it's mission of ''correcting Green Day's disastrous course'', but this is Green Day and I know that they can and have done better. Under the circumstances, RevRad is probably all a Green Day fan could wish for and I am pleased and satisfied. But secretly, I am waiting for something better to come around in the future... 

[Eric]

10 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

I've got an unpopular one, I've always had it in the back of my head, but now I want to say it:

1.) The trilogy is massively overrated on this forum! I think it easily the worst material they have ever released in their career all things considered.

2. ) Though not as much, I do also think that RevRad is overrated on GDC too. It really hurts me to say that, because I really like RevRad (especially when compared to the trilogy), but all things considered it just doesn't compare to previous albums such as American Idiot, Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod or Warning. I just don't agree with the 5 Star ratings that some users here give it. Again, it's not a bad album, it fulfilled it's mission of ''correcting Green Day's disastrous course'', but this is Green Day and I know that they can and have done better. Under the circumstances, RevRad is probably all a Green Day fan could wish for and I am pleased and satisfied. But secretly, I am waiting for something better to come around in the future... 

The trilogy is massively underrated* 

[Hermione]

24 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

I've got an unpopular one, I've always had it in the back of my head, but now I want to say it:

1.) The trilogy is massively overrated on this forum! I think it easily the worst material they have ever released in their career all things considered.

 

Lol you wouldn't have said that a couple of years ago! Since shortly after it came out it was constantly trashed and it was difficult for those of us who enjoyed it to even discuss anything about it without people feeling the need to cut the conversation off to say it's crap and ridicule anyone who likes it. The positive posts about it now are mostly a backlash against that/people being happy to finally be able to talk about it positively without getting trashed, and people seeing the good in it and admitting it's not quite as bad as they first thought.

And people will always be extra enthusiastic about an album when it's new (was even the case with the trilogy for short time), so I think it's natural that that's the case with Rev Rad. I'd say reactions to it are already a bit more cooled down/balanced than when it was first out.

[AimieeSmith]

11 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

I've got an unpopular one, I've always had it in the back of my head, but now I want to say it:

1.) The trilogy is massively overrated on this forum! I think it easily the worst material they have ever released in their career all things considered.

 

I agree it was too many song's too quickly, they could of easily made it into one "Nimrod length" album . Pick 6 from Uno , 6 from iDos , and 6 from Itre . I always prefer quality over quantity .

[MillenniumFan]

13 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Lol you wouldn't have said that a couple of years ago! Since shortly after it came out it was constantly trashed and it was difficult for those of us who enjoyed it to even discuss anything about it without people feeling the need to cut the conversation off to say it's crap and ridicule anyone who likes it. The positive posts about it now are mostly a backlash against that/people being happy to finally be able to talk about it positively without getting trashed, and people seeing the good in it and admitting it's not quite as bad as they first thought.

Fair enough. But backlash or not, I don't agree with it, nor do I agree with the people ridiculing others for their opinion. That's very uncool. Everyone likes Green Day for different reasons and I respect that. But for me personally, it's a clear case, yes, the trilogy was bad. I had to come to terms with that myself at the time. I also want to add that I am all in favor of them playing trilogy songs live: 1. For more variety 2. Because they shouldn't be shamed by their fans for playing what they want to play... 3. Because there are some quite good songs on the trilogy, albeit (imho) few.

[pacejunkie punk]

20 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

 Though not as much, I do also think that RevRad is overrated on GDC too. It really hurts me to say that, because I really like RevRad (especially when compared to the trilogy), but all things considered it just doesn't compare to previous albums such as American Idiot, Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod or Warning. I just don't agree with the 5 Star ratings that some users here give it. Again, it's not a bad album, it fulfilled it's mission of ''correcting Green Day's disastrous course'', but this is Green Day and I know that they can and have done better. Under the circumstances, RevRad is probably all a Green Day fan could wish for and I am pleased and satisfied. But secretly, I am waiting for something better to come around in the future... 

Though I do love RevRad I will double down on an unpopular opinion by saying this — I think AI and 21CB represent their creative peak and full realization of their potential. I love all their albums though, and I do believe they have the ability to reach that potential again, which is why I’m super excited about the album(s) to come.

[The Grohl]

While I really love RevRad and do think it's better than the trilogy, I will say it doesn't stand up against AI or 21CB. But I still like it a lot. I find it to be a fun album and it really got me excited for the band again, so that's a win in my book. I dunno if I would call it overrated. Maybe we're reading different threads, but the responses I see is either RevRad is good or RevRad is bad.

 

[MillenniumFan]

5 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Though I do love RevRad I will double down on an unpopular opinion by saying this — I think AI and 21CB represent their creative peak and full realization of their potential. I love all their albums though, and I do believe they have the ability to reach that potential again, which is why I’m super excited about the album(s) to come.

I think in terms of album quality they never really reached a clear peak. But both AI as an album and as a tour was a spectacular high point of their career, certainly unmatched by anything afterwards. Personally, I think 21CB as an album is inferior to AI (I know there are many that would strongly disagree). However, I am still undecided wether AI or 21CB was their live show peak...

 

[Hermione]

I think AI and 21st CB are Green Day's most ambitious and epic albums, Rev Rad doesn't compete with them by that criteria. But to me Rev Rad's songwriting is on another level of emotional honesty and maturity that impresses me more than any other of their albums.

6 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

. Although I am still undecided wether AI or 21CB was their live show peak...

Maybe I'm biased but I have to say 21st CB was the best live. They basically took what they did with AI and made it even bigger and better, and Billie's showmanship and voice had only got all the better too.

There's something about them live now as well though....I don't think I've ever seen them as full of love, joy and appreciation for what they do on stage and it makes the atmosphere absolutely magical.

[pacejunkie punk]

6 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I think AI and 21st CB are Green Day's most ambitious and epic albums, Rev Rad doesn't compete with them by that criteria. But to me Rev Rad's songwriting is on another level of emotional honesty and maturity that impresses me more than any other of their albums.

Maybe I'm biased but I have to say 21st CB was the best live. They basically took what they did with AI and made it even bigger and better, and Billie's showmanship and voice had only got all the better too.

There's something about them live now as well though....I don't think I've ever seen them as full of love, joy and appreciation for what they do on stage and it makes the atmosphere absolutely magical.

Totally agree about the emotional honesty and maturity of RevRad’s lyrics. For the first time, he isn’t hiding behind characters when he expresses himself which makes the songs more moving.  

I had thought 21CB was their live peak until the summer leg of this tour. I saw an early 21CB show from London and it was nearly identical to the shows we got at the tail end of this tour in terms of energy and performance. Add to that how healthy and happy they all are and it is safe to say they are at their live performance peak right now.

[Christian's Inferno!]

44 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

I've got an unpopular one, I've always had it in the back of my head, but now I want to say it:

1.) The trilogy is massively overrated on this forum! I think it easily the worst material they have ever released in their career all things considered.

2. ) Though not as much, I do also think that RevRad is overrated on GDC too. It really hurts me to say that, because I really like RevRad (especially when compared to the trilogy), but all things considered it just doesn't compare to previous albums such as American Idiot, Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod or Warning. I just don't agree with the 5 Star ratings that some users here give it. Again, it's not a bad album, it fulfilled it's mission of ''correcting Green Day's disastrous course'', but this is Green Day and I know that they can and have done better. Under the circumstances, RevRad is probably all a Green Day fan could wish for and I am pleased and satisfied. But secretly, I am waiting for something better to come around in the future... 

20 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

Fair enough. But backlash or not, I don't agree with it, nor do I agree with the people ridiculing others for their opinion. That's very uncool. Everyone likes Green Day for different reasons and I respect that. But for me personally, it's a clear case, yes, the trilogy was bad. I had to come to terms with that myself at the time. I also want to add that I am all in favor of them playing trilogy songs live: 1. For more variety 2. Because they shouldn't be shamed by their fans for playing what they want to play... 3. Because there are some quite good songs on the trilogy, albeit (imho) few.

I don't really understand it being massively overrated. Even though there are quite a lot of people that like the trilogy here, there's still a good few who hate it and most people generally think it's the weakest offering from Green Day (I am not among those people, but I'd say it's the weakest of their 2000's albums). If you look at an album ranking forum thread, Uno Dos and Tré are usually in the bottom 4 or 5 albums

I mean, in a Green Day forum, it's expected for a majority of the users to like most/all of the albums

[Chin for a Day]

4 hours ago, RedundantIdiot said:

I like the song Rev Rad. Although it wouldn't be near the top end of my favourite GD songs list, I think it gets too much criticism and its a great live song.

I actually like it better than Bang Bang. 

Don't hate me.

[MillenniumFan]

38 minutes ago, Hermione said:

There's something about them live now as well though....I don't think I've ever seen them as full of love, joy and appreciation for what they do on stage and it makes the atmosphere absolutely magical.

Oh absolutely! 

....which is why (I hate to repeat myself): we so desperately need a live album / DVD or upload or whatever to document this tour and album cycle. I think this shouldn't aim to match the epicness of AI or 21CB, but rather (kind of like RevRad) act as a kind of statement; ''Hey! We're still here! We still love each other, what we're doing and of course our fans! And we still kick ass ''.

[The Grohl]

7 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

Oh absolutely! 

....which is why (I hate to repeat myself): we so desperately need a live album / DVD or uplaod whatever to document this tour and album cycle. I think this shouldn't aim to match the epicness of AI or 21CB, but rather (kind of like RevRad) act as a kind of statement; ''Hey! We're still here! We still love each other, what we're doing and of course our fans! And we still kick ass ''.

Yes please! This tour was so great and I'd love to actually have a live CD/DVD where I can say "Hey I went to that tour!" But they should do a Chicago one  Wrigley Field was pretty special and Aragon? Jaded in Chicago Part 2, anyone? 

 

 

 

 

 

[pacejunkie punk]

28 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said:

Oh absolutely! 

....which is why (I hate to repeat myself): we so desperately need a live album / DVD or upload or whatever to document this tour and album cycle. I think this shouldn't aim to match the epicness of AI or 21CB, but rather (kind of like RevRad) act as a kind of statement; ''Hey! We're still here! We still love each other, what we're doing and of course our fans! And we still kick ass ''.

Setting aside whether they produce a DVD (which only the fans that already know they are awesome would buy anyway) that’s what I think is so important about high profile televised festivals like Global Citizens. I want the world to know what we do. 

[pouty bitch]

21 hours ago, letsdanceon said:

My 3-year-old likes to get a rise out of me by telling me, "Billie Joe MY boyfriend!" when she knows that clearly he is mine.

My mom does this all the time.

 

2 hours ago, AimieeSmith said:

I agree it was too many song's too quickly, they could of easily made it into one "Nimrod length" album . Pick 6 from Uno , 6 from iDos , and 6 from Itre . I always prefer quality over quantity .

I think they should've released one album with the "best" songs from the trilogy on it, then released the rest of the songs as a compilation afterwards. That way, people probably wouldn't have felt as overwhelmed and we would still get to hear all the songs.

[-Billiejoezee-]

Here's an unpopular opinion 

Insomniac is better than dookie 

(and that's something coming from me since my favorite Green Day song is on dookie)

and 21st century breakdown is better than American idiot 

Now that I've slightly insulted both their "best albums" the attack against me may begin. 

[pacejunkie punk]

4 minutes ago, -Billiejoezee- said:

Here's an unpopular opinion 

Insomniac is better than dookie 

(and that's something coming from me since my favorite Green Day song is on dookie)

and 21st century breakdown is better than American idiot 

Now that I've slightly insulted both their "best albums" the attack against me may begin. 

I can honestly say I agree with this.  But then I’m of the belief that every Green  Day album is better than the one that came before it (Trilogy a possible exception after 21CB)

[Hermione]

2 minutes ago, -Billiejoezee- said:

Here's an unpopular opinion 

Insomniac is better than dookie 

(and that's something coming from me since my favorite Green Day song is on dookie)

and 21st century breakdown is better than American idiot 

Now that I've slightly insulted both their "best albums" the attack against me may begin. 

Disagree on Dookie/Insomniac but I also think they're v. different and therefore hard to compare

Agree on 21st CB/AI. Both are amazing but with 21st CB they built on what they started with AI and made the most ambitious and theatrical music they've made to date, it's a really beautiful album.

[gaslight13]

2 hours ago, MillenniumFan said:

I think in terms of album quality they never really reached a clear peak. But both AI as an album and as a tour was a spectacular high point of their career, certainly unmatched by anything afterwards. Personally, I think 21CB as an album is inferior to AI (I know there are many that would strongly disagree). However, I am still undecided wether AI or 21CB was their live show peak...

 

I agree that they never reached a clear peak, and I think the fact that their "peak" can be debated this much supports that. This is why they're one of the only rock bands ever to stay this relevant for this many years and have multiple spikes in their career. Rev Rad may not have blown up to the level of AI but I think that's mostly due to AI being such a change from what they had done before and because rock music still existed in the mainstream back then. 

[pacejunkie punk]

Just now, Hermione said:

Agree on 21st CB/AI. Both are amazing but with 21st CB they built on what they started with AI and made the most ambitious and theatrical music they've made to date, it's a really beautiful album.

It’s a jaw dropping mind blowing achievement when you listen to it front to back. And I agree it builds on AI. Like I commented on earlier, I do think they have in them the potential to create such a thing again (not the same thing but something on that artistic level) but the question is do they want to? I know they still have ambitions and I applaud that, but AI and 21CB took a lot out of them to produce. Art is pain and those records were serious pain in terms of the emotional and physical cost. That’s what it takes to create works of that caliber and they know it. They could do that again but are they willing to put themselves through that?