DeJennsitized Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 4 hours ago, MysticManiac said: Oh right yeah... The thing about that is if you ask someone why they hate The Forgotten, 90% of the time they'all say "Twilight". But I hear that Twilight actually has good music. I haven't listened for myself but that's what I've heard. I love Paramore's song Decode which is a Twilight song Personally, my least favourite trilogy song is Drama Queen but I don't think it gets that much hate and I don't think the song is bad, it's just "meh" Twilight's first soundtrack was kickass, honestly. Say what you want about the movie but the music was really good. 3 hours ago, Hermione said: To me Bang Bang is biting satire on media sensationalization of tragedy. And a relatable wish to attempt to make sense of what the reasoning behind doing something so unthinkable could be....an attempt which ultimately exposes the reasoning as ridiculous. I think it's one of the cleverest songs they've written. Can't really see where it would be offensive, I'd also be interested to hear more on that POV. I called it satire when it first came out and was ripped to shreds but my opinion hasn't changed, and I agree with you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 4 hours ago, MysticManiac said: Oh right yeah... The thing about that is if you ask someone why they hate The Forgotten, 90% of the time they'all say "Twilight". But I hear that Twilight actually has good music. I haven't listened for myself but that's what I've heard. I love Paramore's song Decode which is a Twilight song Personally, my least favourite trilogy song is Drama Queen but I don't think it gets that much hate and I don't think the song is bad, it's just "meh" I agree. I never watched any twillight movie in full (and never read the books either) so I'm no expert on twillight, but almost all songs from it that I heard were good. I liked Decode and the Muse ballad too. That song from the last movie (the one that was everywhere, I still hear it on radio sometimes) isn't bad either. if there's one good thing about twillight, it's the choice of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Met Fan Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Interesting thread! hmmm I think the Trilogy is just fine musically, they just handled marketing, singles choices and release dates horribly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 10 hours ago, Kuromignonne said: I definitely don't find Bang Bang to show that the murderer has a ridiculous way of thinking. In some way, it is very efficient, because it's so extreme and tragic, there's almost always no return from that path. The murderer will have head and most often then death. He's prepared for it like an "I don't care" very dark way of thinking. We are all in prey to some anger and loneliness, which is I think not so different from a person to another, and there are many ways to deal with it. What makes it that some choose the terrorism way? I think Bang Bang alerts us on the easiness of slipping into that for the young people nowadays, because notably of the media and the "Internet that's become a home for assholes" to quote Billie on a recent show. Interestingly, in Bang Bang : "Broadcasting live and it's on my radio" and in Forever Now : "I want to start a revolution / I want to hear it on my radio". You want to hear something on your radio, that's for sure. I think wanting someone to "give me head" and to be "the hero of the hour" are ridiculous jusifications for murder, you know? The tragedy is that people have really thought that way and gone through with it. But the way Billie describes his justifications in this over the top almost silly way in the song ("hurrah!, hurrah!", "I get my kicks and I wanna start a rager" etc), instead of in a serious way like the murderer really would if you asked him, is what exposes the justifications as unreasonable/ridiculous imo. Someone being so full of anger and loneliness etc that they're in that place isn't ridiculous but their reasoning for committing murder because of it is. 9 hours ago, Jenn. said: Twilight's first soundtrack was kickass, honestly. Say what you want about the movie but the music was really good. I called it satire when it first came out and was ripped to shreds but my opinion hasn't changed, and I agree with you. Yes I remember agreeing with you haha. I think the over the top stuff about wanting to be famous is clearly satire on the media's sensationalization of murder as well as just description of the killer's motives. I mean "bang bang! gimme fame!" c'mon. As for Twilight I still don't really know why it's such a massive issue that the song was in it even if you hate the film. It's not like they even wrote it for it. Green Day's songs have been used in shitty films many times before (unless you consider Freddy Got Fingered, American Pie 2 and Transformers 2 classic cinema) so I don't know why the quality of the film using their music was suddenly important 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bellie Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Hermione said: I think wanting someone to "give me head" and to be "the hero of the hour" are ridiculous jusifications for murder, you know? The tragedy is that people have really thought that way and gone through with it. But the way Billie describes his justifications in this over the top almost silly way in the song ("hurrah!, hurrah!", "I get my kicks and I wanna start a rager" etc), instead of in a serious way like the murderer really would if you asked him, is what exposes the justifications as unreasonable/ridiculous imo. Someone being so full of anger and loneliness etc that they're in that place isn't ridiculous but their reasoning for committing murder because of it is. We must be using two words to describe the same thing . A blatant and awful example out of many things people can come to for trying to defeat loneliness and anger, often ridiculous because they're leading nowhere. Making one step back to Insomniac, I've listened to it with headphones after having listened to it reading the lyrics at the same time. (I only really knew Brain Stew/Jaded, Geek Stink Breath and Walking Contradiction before.) And I have to say, I've really got into it this time. I don't find many fillers at all. Most of the songs have caught me, and a handful have blown me away, once I knew the lyrics to those: 86, Panic Song, Stuart And The Ave. notably. Is that an unpopular opinion to say Panic Song is my favorite song from Insomniac ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouty bitch Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 There's only two or three songs on Insomniac that I don't absolutely love, and Panic Song is one of them. It wouldn't be so bad if the intro didn't go on for most of the song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJennsitized Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Kuromignonne said: Is that an unpopular opinion to say Panic Song is my favorite song from Insomniac ? I don't think it is. I think Panic Song is a masterpiece. Of the 21CB b-sides, Hearts Collide is my least favourite. For some reason I just don't like the melody at all. Lyrics are good though. 1 minute ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said: There's only two or three songs on Insomniac that I don't absolutely love, and Panic Song is one of them. It wouldn't be so bad if the intro didn't go on for most of the song. But that's what's so good about it! The slow but frantic build up of panic. I love that about it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouty bitch Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jenn. said: But that's what's so good about it! The slow but frantic build up of panic. I love that about it. I like at first, but after about a minute, I've just lost interest. That's the problem with having a short attention span. I mean, come on, does it really need an intro that's almost two minutes long? That's over half the song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bellie Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jenn. said: But that's what's so good about it! The slow but frantic build up of panic. I love that about it. Yeah, and when Billie starts singing, emotions start running high. It's desperate and the melody is deep and moving. The harmony at the end is beautiful. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJennsitized Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, G-L-O-R-I-A said: I like at first, but after about a minute, I've just lost interest. That's the problem with having a short attention span. I mean, come on, does it really need an intro that's almost two minutes long? That's over half the song. I guess I don't really see it as an intro, it's an important part of the song for me. Chump's outro on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouty bitch Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jenn. said: Chump's outro on the other hand... Oh God, don't even get me started on that. *rolls eyes* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hermione Posted September 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2017 Love Panic Song! The long build up is what makes it unique, special and awesome. I think the most meh songs on Insomniac are Tight Wad Hill and 86. Just not as interesting as the other songs. They're fine as part of Insomniac though because it has such a strong theme of fast/simple/angry songs and they fit with it, on that particular album they can get away with not being very distinctive. I like the Chump outro as well , again because it makes the song distinctive. I like how they really went for it going on and on thrashing their instruments and the way it leads into Longview is great. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 The intro to Panic Song is one of the only things I like on Insomniac. After the intro I change the song. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouty bitch Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I'm not a huge fan of Dominated Love Slave. I don't really like the goofy country-style vocals and sometimes the lyrics make me cringe. I prefer it live because it's fun to see Tre and Billie swap roles in the band, and that kind of takes my attention away from the lyrics and vocals. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said: I'm not a huge fan of Dominated Love Slave. I don't really like the goofy country-style vocals and sometimes the lyrics make me cringe. I prefer it live because it's fun to see Tre and Billie swap roles in the band, and that kind of takes my attention away from the lyrics and vocals. To me it's hilarious. Especially since I saw a bunch of people from bdsm community who loved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I love all the whoops and hollers on the record. They are really sending it up and having fun doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 9/1/2017 at 11:44 AM, JardyOfSuburbia said: I miss 99 Revolutions as an opener don't @ me. I thought I knew you... Confession: I'd rather have that than Know Your Enemy though! Thank God we got to see Bang Bang as the opener in Columbus. That was so fucking badass and they're fucking up by not doing that every night tbh. 20 hours ago, Hermione said: I think wanting someone to "give me head" and to be "the hero of the hour" are ridiculous jusifications for murder, you know? The tragedy is that people have really thought that way and gone through with it. But the way Billie describes his justifications in this over the top almost silly way in the song ("hurrah!, hurrah!", "I get my kicks and I wanna start a rager" etc), instead of in a serious way like the murderer really would if you asked him, is what exposes the justifications as unreasonable/ridiculous imo. Someone being so full of anger and loneliness etc that they're in that place isn't ridiculous but their reasoning for committing murder because of it is. Yes I remember agreeing with you haha. I think the over the top stuff about wanting to be famous is clearly satire on the media's sensationalization of murder as well as just description of the killer's motives. I mean "bang bang! gimme fame!" c'mon. I never really took that song as satire. Like Having a Blast, I truly think it's an attempt to try to understand the thoughts of a violent person and convey them. I really don't think it's that ridiculous of a concept to think that people who kill are doing in for fame and get joy out of it... is that just me? I don't think the lyrics have much, if anything, to do with media "sensationalization" — mass murder is news, and people who think about murdering undoubtedly know that and many want that recognition for doing it. Look at all the people who live-stream violence on Facebook Live now. They don't even need the media to cover it because they're doing it themselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JardyOfSuburbia Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: I thought I knew you... Reveal hidden contents Confession: I'd rather have that than Know Your Enemy though! Thank God we got to see Bang Bang as the opener in Columbus. That was so fucking badass and they're fucking up by not doing that every night tbh. You just know my cat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RougeRogue Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Brace yourselves- After coming across bits of it today for the first time in a while, I think Ive realized that I like the BIAB live King For A Day better than the actual album recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 9 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: I thought I knew you... Reveal hidden contents Confession: I'd rather have that than Know Your Enemy though! Thank God we got to see Bang Bang as the opener in Columbus. That was so fucking badass and they're fucking up by not doing that every night tbh. I never really took that song as satire. Like Having a Blast, I truly think it's an attempt to try to understand the thoughts of a violent person and convey them. I really don't think it's that ridiculous of a concept to think that people who kill are doing in for fame and get joy out of it... is that just me? I don't think the lyrics have much, if anything, to do with media "sensationalization" — mass murder is news, and people who think about murdering undoubtedly know that and many want that recognition for doing it. Look at all the people who live-stream violence on Facebook Live now. They don't even need the media to cover it because they're doing it themselves. It's not just straight up exploring the thoughts of a killer though is it? They're expressed in a totally silly, flippant, almost humorous way and overly focused on the fame aspect. If you asked any of these killers to explain their feelings/motives they'd be dark and serious about it, not "gimme death or gimme head!", "I get my kicks and I wanna start a rager!", "bang, bang, gimme fame!", "hurrah! hurrah! the hero of the hour" etc. It's not ridiculous to think someone would kill for those reasons because unfortunately they really do, but the reasons themselves are ridiculous/unreasonable wouldn't you say? I agree it's an attempt to try to understand the thoughts but I don't think it's just literally describing them, there's extra layers to it: satire on the modern obsession with fame at any cost, how tragedy is sensationalised and killers become famous, and an exposure of how unreasonable the justification is through the silly way the justification is expressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Hermione said: It's not just straight up exploring the thoughts of a killer though is it? They're expressed in a totally silly, flippant, almost humorous way and overly focused on the fame aspect. If you asked any of these killers to explain their feelings/motives they'd be dark and serious about it, not "gimme death or gimme head!", "I get my kicks and I wanna start a rager!", "bang, bang, gimme fame!", "hurrah! hurrah! the hero of the hour" etc. It's not ridiculous to think someone would kill for those reasons because unfortunately they really do, but the reasons themselves are ridiculous/unreasonable wouldn't you say? I agree it's an attempt to try to understand the thoughts but I don't think it's just literally describing them, there's extra layers to it: satire on the modern obsession with fame at any cost, how tragedy is sensationalised and killers become famous, and an exposure of how unreasonable the justification is through the silly way the justification is expressed. I mean, murder justifications are probably never going to sound not ridiculous. I really think people would think those are justifiable reasons to kill, as crazy and exaggerated as they sound, but it sounds like you don't. Or maybe we're talking past each other on our definitions of satire? Agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said: I mean, murder justifications are probably never going to sound not ridiculous. I really think people would think those are justifiable reasons to kill, as crazy and exaggerated as they sound, but it sounds like you don't. Or maybe we're talking past each other on our definitions of satire? Agree to disagree. I think they're realistic reasons people would kill but not justified. So yeah it is kind of stating the obvious that they're ridiculous (because randomly shooting people is never going to be justified) but I think it's done in kind of a clever way, stating them in a silly manner rather than actually saying they're wrong/bad. The satire part is more about the phenomenon of people wanting to be famous at any cost even if it's for something bad, and people being allowed to achieve fame/almost become celebrities through committing murder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beatles Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I just don't like 21st Century Breakdown, at all. Everyone always gets mad at me for saying that! But I'm sorry, to me it is Green Day going 'oh hey political American Idiot did so well, let's do another similar concept political album', and for that reason it just seems artificial and over-written. Some of the lines don't even make any sense, they are just trying too hard to be political and concept-y. And the song 21st CB being in so many parts like JOS.... just seemed like cashing in on the trend they made basically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UNICORN VOMIT Posted September 5, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, The Beatles said: I just don't like 21st Century Breakdown, at all. Everyone always gets mad at me for saying that! But I'm sorry, to me it is Green Day going 'oh hey political American Idiot did so well, let's do another similar concept political album', and for that reason it just seems artificial and over-written. Some of the lines don't even make any sense, they are just trying too hard to be political and concept-y. And the song 21st CB being in so many parts like JOS.... just seemed like cashing in on the trend they made basically. Totally disagree - 21CB has some of the best lyrics they have written. Shows how talented they are bringing this album out after the heights AI reached. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 4 hours ago, The Beatles said: I just don't like 21st Century Breakdown, at all. Everyone always gets mad at me for saying that! But I'm sorry, to me it is Green Day going 'oh hey political American Idiot did so well, let's do another similar concept political album', and for that reason it just seems artificial and over-written. Some of the lines don't even make any sense, they are just trying too hard to be political and concept-y. And the song 21st CB being in so many parts like JOS.... just seemed like cashing in on the trend they made basically. at all? I doubt that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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