Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[The Great Saiyaman]

32 minutes ago, Tinkle said:

The Great Saiyaman has spoken

 

10 minutes ago, Yuri Plisetsky said:

THE GREAT SAIYAMAN HAS COME TO SAVE THE INTERNET FROM THE EVILS OF BULLSH*T!

I will forever love this clip.  

[Joe.]

11 hours ago, Scattered Wreck said:

Some people here have said that most people said that Rev Rad is mediocre.  Where are you seeing that?  The majority of the critics reviews that I have seen have been favorable, if not glowing.  I don't read social media much, but I just went and looked at Youtube comments and I would say 90% of them were positive.  Everything I have seen is a more positive response to the album.

Social media, luke warm reviews and just people I know that know I like Green Day saying stuff like, "man that last green day album was crap". 

11 hours ago, Hermione said:

I guess I just view the album totally differently to you. AI is a stadium rock style rock opera with a story told through characters, a concept album. RevRad is simpler songs with a classic rock influence, with no characters, story or concept, just songs written from Billie's POV. So I don't see it as labouring at the AI formula.

And I don't think writing about politics is a rut. It's just natural for a writer to expand outside their personal life to wider issues of society/politics etc as they mature and Billie progressed to that starting with Warning and then more fully through AI and beyond. He writes about what he cares about and politics/what's happening in the world beyond his own front door is part of that. Even on the trilogy where it was largely excluded because the theme of the albums was a mid life crisis/party thing he couldn't resist getting 99 Revolutions in there. It's just something he feels motivated to write about.

I'm just tired of the same structure, the same music, the same laboured point about revolution and vague attempts to make a political statement.

Btw can't tell if the "purist" comments were aimed at me but you don't have to be a purist to hear mediocre music 

9 hours ago, Jake69 said:

Obviously if you are going to go to the Green Day YouTube channel people are going to be positive about the band. Why would they subscribe if they don't like their music? But if you look at Twitter or Facebook or Reddit, most of the comments are extremely negative. Mostly saying that it's one of the most predictable album releases of 2016. Green Day is pretty much a joke for a lot of people on the internet.

 

Exactly, that's like going on Breitbart and thinking Trump had a huge approval rating 

[Hermione]

I haven't seen a bad review of Rev Rad though? All I've seen have been either average to good or good. Where is all this Rev Rad hate located?  

[DeJennsitized]

There's no denying (at least to myself) that RevRad contains some cringey lyrics. But it's nice to know that the same guy who wrote, say, Jesus of Suburbia, can sometimes miss the mark too  he's just a human with a lot of stuff to say and sometimes can't quite convey it, but his point always comes across and meaning can always be found.

[Joe.]

2 hours ago, Hermione said:

I haven't seen a bad review of Rev Rad though? All I've seen have been either average to good or good. Where is all this Rev Rad hate located?  

Never said hate, more apathy. Again for me the dissapointing thing is the band seems content to continually make the same music - they're great musicians they should expand 

[Chin for a Day]

3 hours ago, JoeFrusciante said:

Social media, luke warm reviews and just people I know that know I like Green Day saying stuff like, "man that last green day album was crap". 

I'm just tired of the same structure, the same music, the same laboured point about revolution and vague attempts to make a political statement.

 

But the critic reviews haven't been luke warm, they have been mostly positive.  Of course there are some luke warm ones, I don't think there has been an album that ddin't have at least some luke warm or bad ones, so this is no exception.  

And as far as social media, everything I've seen has been mostly positive.  Of course there have been some bad ones, but I am not seeing this overall apathy that you describe.  I am just really curious where you are seeing it because my experience is really the exact opposite.  Most of the people I have talked to about it are extremely positive.  Hubby doesn't like GD but he likes alot of Rev Rad as a matter of fact we play some of the songs together.  

I can understand maybe getting sick of the political statements.  I personally didn't think it was so bad on the album because I felt most of album was more about personal reflection than politics.  And that includes personal reflection about politics.  However, I do think they tried some different things musically than they have in the past.  So I didn't view it as the same old structure.  

I am just curious, based on your name, what did you think of The Getaway?   

[Hermione]

1 hour ago, JoeFrusciante said:

Never said hate, more apathy. Again for me the dissapointing thing is the band seems content to continually make the same music - they're great musicians they should expand 

I was referring to Green Day apparently being a "joke on the internet" haha. But I'll put that in the same category as the claim that "most" Green Day fans don't like them going after Donald Trump or including politics in their music. I wouldn't call the reviews I've seen apathetic, they're not rave reviews but they're still mostly very positive and calling it a solid album.

Again we must just view this very differently. The did the epic sounding political concept album American Idiot and then took the theatrical thing even further with 21st CB. But then they made the trilogy which is totally different to those albums, slightly rock n roll influenced simple songs exploring mid life crisis and partying themes. Now they've made a more classic rock influenced album of straightforward songs that does draw from various past albums but still has a sound of its own. I don't see their music as staying the same.

[Guest]

The meaning of the trilogy and Revolution Radio are obviously different but musically it's pretty much the same. It's the same simple power chord progressions they've been doing forever. There is only so much you can do with it until it becomes redundant. There are riffs on Revolution Radio that they've already done before. It's time to move past that formula and do something different. It's all starting to sound the same.

[Hermione]

12 minutes ago, Jake69 said:

The meaning of the trilogy and Revolution Radio are obviously different but musically it's pretty much the same. It's the same simple power chord progressions they've been doing forever. There is only so much you can do with it until it becomes redundant. There are riffs on Revolution Radio that they've already done before. It's time to move past that formula and do something different. It's all starting to sound the same.

Yeah all their albums do have a certain "Green Day sound" running through them. But I think they've still experimented with different sounds and influences quite a lot, certainly a lot compared to most bands in their genre. When it's been their style to keep a certain distinct sound included in their music for 30+ years and 12+ albums I think you kind of have to accept that's just part of who they are as a band.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Hermione said:

Yeah all their albums do have a certain "Green Day sound" running through them. But I think they've still experimented with different sounds and influences quite a lot, certainly a lot compared to most bands in their genre. When it's been their style to keep a certain sound that defines them as a band included in their music for 30+ years and 12+ albums I think you kind of have to accept that's just part of who they are as a band.

Not really. There are a lot of bands who have switched up their sound deep into their careers. Just listen to Radiohead's Ok Computer and then their next album Kid A. It was such a jump in sound. And this is when the band were really cementing themselves as a staple in alternative rock music. So why can't Green Day do that? Maybe because it might turn some people off or they won't get as many radio hits. Cause I feel that's all they care about at this point in their career.

[unextraordinarygirl]

They did try some new and different sounds on Warning and Trilogy and people freaked out and said those albums sucked. So if they try something new people get mad, but if they sound the same people get mad, What are they supposed to do? It seems to me that some people are never satisfied.  As they have said in past interviews they make the music they like. It's what makes them happy. We are lucky that they share it with us and should be grateful. Just my humble opinion of course. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

They did try some new and different sounds on Warning and Trilogy and people freaked out and said those albums sucked. So if they try something new people get mad, but if they sound the same people get mad, What are they supposed to do? As they have said in past interviews they make the music they like. It's what makes them happy. We are lucky that they share it with us and should be grateful. Just my humble opinion of course. 

The trilogy wasn't experimental at all. Sure there were some songs that sounded like foxboro hot tubs but that's not really experimenting if they've already done it before. The closest they got to doing something different on the trilogy was just throwing a rapper on top of their over done guitar chords. And Warning is highly praised here because they went experimental on some of the songs. So I don't know what you are talking about.

[solongfromthestars]

They experimented quite a lot on the trilogy though? Kill the DJ, Nightlife and Brutal Love especially aren't like anything they've put out before. To a lesser extent but still, Oh Love, Drama Queen, The Forgotten and 8th Ave. Serenade aren't "traditional" Green Day, either. Whether the experiments turned out well is a different discussion (I like it but I know that's an unpopular opinion) but they definitely tried.

[Marki.]

40 minutes ago, Jake69 said:

Maybe because it might turn some people off or they won't get as many radio hits. Cause I feel that's all they care about at this point in their career.

Seriously? They've repeatedly stated in recent interviews that they really don't care about that anymore, and they don't have to prove anything to anybody. And I feel like if that was their goal, they'd put more thought into the promotion of the singles  I really don't think they made the album the way they did with the purpose of getting radio hits. 
 

12 minutes ago, Jake69 said:

And Warning is highly praised here because they went experimental on some of the songs. So I don't know what you are talking about.

Warning is highly praised now, but it definitely wasn't after it came out. 

[Hermione]

2 hours ago, Jake69 said:

Not really. There are a lot of bands who have switched up their sound deep into their careers. Just listen to Radiohead's Ok Computer and then their next album Kid A. It was such a jump in sound. And this is when the band were really cementing themselves as a staple in alternative rock music. So why can't Green Day do that? Maybe because it might turn some people off or they won't get as many radio hits. Cause I feel that's all they care about at this point in their career.

Or maybe because they're a different band and that's not how they want to do things? A totally different sound with each album isn't the only way to be a good band, different bands have different styles and preferences etc when it comes to making music. Why is a pop punk band making another pop punk album instead of a heavy metal album or a dance album? Perhaps because they like making pop punk music!

But even though they've kept a core sound they've still experimented by adding different other sounds/influences to it on all their albums. And done some really bold things such as releasing a folk influenced album in the middle of a nu metal craze and doing a rock opera, having been known for 3 chord songs about masturbating and smoking weed. Do you think most punk or pop punk bands have more variety to their sound than Green Day?? I don't.

[Joe.]

4 hours ago, Scattered Wreck said:

But the critic reviews haven't been luke warm, they have been mostly positive.  Of course there are some luke warm ones, I don't think there has been an album that ddin't have at least some luke warm or bad ones, so this is no exception.  

And as far as social media, everything I've seen has been mostly positive.  Of course there have been some bad ones, but I am not seeing this overall apathy that you describe.  I am just really curious where you are seeing it because my experience is really the exact opposite.  Most of the people I have talked to about it are extremely positive.  Hubby doesn't like GD but he likes alot of Rev Rad as a matter of fact we play some of the songs together.  

I can understand maybe getting sick of the political statements.  I personally didn't think it was so bad on the album because I felt most of album was more about personal reflection than politics.  And that includes personal reflection about politics.  However, I do think they tried some different things musically than they have in the past.  So I didn't view it as the same old structure.  

I am just curious, based on your name, what did you think of The Getaway?   

I thought it was good, too controlled by the producer as you can tell in interviews (they say about how he wanted songs you could tap your foot to). Some quality moments that could've been great songs but definitely promising, there's a lot of life and promise in the band which I think was reflected in the album.

[Chin for a Day]

20 minutes ago, JoeFrusciante said:

I thought it was good, too controlled by the producer as you can tell in interviews (they say about how he wanted songs you could tap your foot to). Some quality moments that could've been great songs but definitely promising, there's a lot of life and promise in the band which I think was reflected in the album.

That is interesting.  I think both Rev Rad and The Getaway had similar receptions, although Rev Rads critical reviews were much better.  I agree that it was definitely too controlled by the producer, to the point that it lost all semblance of the bands identity.  Dark Necessities is an amazing song, definitely one of my favorites by them, by anybody actually.  However, I found the rest of the album to be absolutely unlistenable.  It felt like they were going through the motions and being told what to do.  By far the worst thing they have ever produced.  

[unextraordinarygirl]

2 hours ago, Maria Gloria said:

They experimented quite a lot on the trilogy though? Kill the DJ, Nightlife and Brutal Love especially aren't like anything they've put out before. To a lesser extent but still, Oh Love, Drama Queen, The Forgotten and 8th Ave. Serenade aren't "traditional" Green Day, either. Whether the experiments turned out well is a different discussion (I like it but I know that's an unpopular opinion) but they definitely tried.

Those are the songs I was thinking of too. Pretty different by Green Day standards. 

[Joe.]

33 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said:

That is interesting.  I think both Rev Rad and The Getaway had similar receptions, although Rev Rads critical reviews were much better.  I agree that it was definitely too controlled by the producer, to the point that it lost all semblance of the bands identity.  Dark Necessities is an amazing song, definitely one of my favorites by them, by anybody actually.  However, I found the rest of the album to be absolutely unlistenable.  It felt like they were going through the motions and being told what to do.  By far the worst thing they have ever produced.  

It shits on californication, Encore is arguably the best song they've ever written, Dark Necessities is very good, Goodbye Angels is excellent, Dreams of a Samurai is something very different

3 hours ago, Marki. said:

Seriously? They've repeatedly stated in recent interviews that they really don't care about that anymore, and they don't have to prove anything to anybody. And I feel like if that was their goal, they'd put more thought into the promotion of the singles  I really don't think they made the album the way they did with the purpose of getting radio hits. 
 

Warning is highly praised now, but it definitely wasn't after it came out. 

They seem to be trying to cater to a radio audience that doesn't exist with songs like Still Breathing

[Christian's Inferno!]

http://www.metacritic.com/person/green-day

According to metacritic, RevRad has GD's second best metacritic score. American Idiot has 79, RevRad and Warning both have 72, 21 CB has 70. Uno, Dos and Tré have scores of 67, 68 and 64 respectively. Shenanigans and Awesome as Fuck have 61 and 64 respectively. So RevRad is doing well with critical reception compared to most of their other albums

[unextraordinarygirl]

2 hours ago, JoeFrusciante said:

It shits on californication, Encore is arguably the best song they've ever written, Dark Necessities is very good, Goodbye Angels is excellent, Dreams of a Samurai is something very different

They seem to be trying to cater to a radio audience that doesn't exist with songs like Still Breathing

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. 

[RedundantIdiot]

Rev Rad is definitely in the top of of my GD album list and I'd give it a 9 out of 10. SB easily makes the top 5 of my favourite GD songs, and I have a tendency to turn BB up bloody loud whenever it comes on my iPod (I must look crazy bopping along to it at work). The only thing I feel lets Rev Rad down is the quality of ''album'' songs/ non-singles like SG and outlaws, which arent of the quality of the album songs on the likes of AI, Dookie, etc. 

[The Great Saiyaman]

11 hours ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

They did try some new and different sounds on Warning and Trilogy and people freaked out and said those albums sucked. So if they try something new people get mad, but if they sound the same people get mad, What are they supposed to do? It seems to me that some people are never satisfied.  As they have said in past interviews they make the music they like. It's what makes them happy. We are lucky that they share it with us and should be grateful. Just my humble opinion of course. 

Unfortunately we just have to expect reception like this.  It really sucks and seems to be a huge risk for bands trying to experiment.

16 hours ago, Hermione said:

I haven't seen a bad review of Rev Rad though? All I've seen have been either average to good or good. Where is all this Rev Rad hate located?  

Check out the 0/10 fan reviews on Metacritic. People act like the band "betrayed" them or something. It's so funny. 

 

6 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

http://www.metacritic.com/person/green-day

According to metacritic, RevRad has GD's second best metacritic score. American Idiot has 79, RevRad and Warning both have 72, 21 CB has 70. Uno, Dos and Tré have scores of 67, 68 and 64 respectively. Shenanigans and Awesome as Fuck have 61 and 64 respectively. So RevRad is doing well with critical reception compared to most of their other albums

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that Metacritic weighs scores differently based on reputation of different critics/websites. Not discrediting you or anything! I'd say that list is pretty accurate anyways.

[Hermione]

23 minutes ago, The Great Saiyaman said:

 

Check out the 0/10 fan reviews on Metacritic. People act like the band "betrayed" them or something. It's so funny. 

 

 

One of them is by a user by the name of Steven Seagull lmao. Good for a laugh. But yeah the average user and critic scores are pretty good.

[TimmyChunks]

2 hours ago, The Great Saiyaman said:

Unfortunately we just have to expect reception like this.  It really sucks and seems to be a huge risk for bands trying to experiment.

Check out the 0/10 fan reviews on Metacritic. People act like the band "betrayed" them or something. It's so funny. 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that Metacritic weighs scores differently based on reputation of different critics/websites. Not discrediting you or anything! I'd say that list is pretty accurate anyways.

Wow, that's just amazing to me. To think that some people actually went through the effort of posting 0/10 and saying that the band had "betrayed" them for releasing RevRad- that just makes me want to puke. But then I realize that this type of opinion can't possibly be taken seriously. We're so flipping lucky they're still around, decades later, touring their asses off and putting out new music (which, in my opinion anyway, is excellent)...and some people write that they wish that they would have preferred that they hadn't even put this album out at all? That is not only completely ridiculous, it's offensively inconsiderate of the fact that this is an incredibly lucky situation for music in general- bands don't last this long, this is an incredibly rare occurrence. I'm going to stop this post here because I feel I'm generating the type of reaction those trolls are looking for. And if that's what fulfills them, well, that sucks for them! And for those that did- well, sorry, but I love everything this band does, millions of others do as well...and that's not going to change. I hope those poor trolls find their happiness and meaning in life somewhere eventually!