Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[petros]

Just now, Ellen Caulfield said:

I think that @Wretched & Divine made a point with those tweets and that it's nothing new and shocking and definitely not the "train" thing, those tweets were posted years ago. 

Yeah but what i've been saying is how green day come off right now doing this thing. I've said more things in my first post than just them jumping on the bandwagon on hating on Trump.

[DeJennsitized]

1 minute ago, petros said:

And that's ok that's your opinion let other people that have other opinions express themselves. Have you seen even the comments on green day's facebook? Many people have the same opinion as I do. This is the unpopular opinion the same people made it clear that disagree and that's the popular opinion congrats but let us see if other people have the same opinion in the unpopular thread and stop saying the same shit over and over again, please. Again this is the Unpopular opinions thread.

If "many people have the same opinion as you do" then yours isn't an unpopular opinion either.  You're the one who starts posts and then is condescending to everyone who responds. So okay, I'm done.

Anyway, an unpopular opinion: Most of GD's love songs make me cringe a bit.

[petros]

Just now, Jenn. said:

If "many people have the same opinion as you do" then yours isn't an unpopular opinion either.  You're the one who starts posts and then is condescending to everyone who responds. So okay, I'm done.

Obviously these people aren't logged in a green day forum jesus christ you really think you seem smart trying to twist my words or using phrases of what I said to dismiss the whole thing? Come on.

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1 minute ago, Jenn. said:

 

Anyway, an unpopular opinion: Most of GD's love songs make me cringe a bit.

What makes you cringe - is it just GD love songs or love songs in general. 

[Wretched & Divine]

13 minutes ago, petros said:

That's not true. Even here before the same old persons started getting defensive about the band as always the first posts were from people seeing were I'm coming from try to read the whole thread after I posted next time you say something like that.

Yeah sorry I can't keep doing it with the same people I did the last time on the french interview thread. To me it seems that you are not seeing my point just because you feel I'm offending your favorite band(which is my favorite band also but anyway) to you I'm a disrespectful son of a bitch who wants to maybe heat things up. So I'll agree to disagree with you and not go on to further discussion as I did in the past.

Yeah you're right that I seem like that but I've tried discussing serious with some people about almost the same issue that I brought up right now and they just don't listen Or so I feel. So if no one else wants to continue this it's ok this conversation will die. I just can't keep this going again with the same people that can't take me seriously for having an opinion and dismissing it with awesome arguments like "i have friends and a grandma that said so".

Let me break this down for you. By beginning in a condescending tone and dismissing anyone who agrees with Green Day as a fanboy/girl, you are already going to make people get defensive because you've already decided their opinions aren't worth hearing "because pfff, stupid fangirls ". You explicitly said "apart from here no one is taking green day seriously anymore on their political shit" which is a sweeping statement which I know for a fact to be untrue and stated exactly why that is so. And then you accused them of jumping on a Trump-hating bandwagon post-election, very conveniently ignoring tweets from Billie's account dated before Obama had even been elected for his second term.

Thus it is pretty damn clear to me that you're not interested in listening to why your opinion, while valid, might not be entirely based on facts.

[DeJennsitized]

Just now, Tinkle said:

What makes you cringe - is it just GD love songs or love songs in general. 

I find Billie Joe's lyrics for those kinds of songs a bit much. I think it's a result of his metaphors - normally I love them, but in the love songs I think it results in them becoming a bit cheesy.

[Leni.]

2 minutes ago, petros said:

Yeah but what i've been saying is how green day come off right now doing this thing. I've said more things in my first post than just them jumping on the bandwagon on hating on Trump.

OK you said: Billie Joe needs to stop bitching cause he comes off as trying to jump on that wagon of hating Trump and trying to use that to sell more records. I mean revrad is a really cool album imo and it's not really political but they try to use politics I guess to make it more relevant and sell more copies? Also maybe it was fresh and new in 2004 but now 12 years later doing the same shit you did back then with Bush but also being and looking 12 years older doesn't make you look cool. 

If you want to discuss this all I can say that I disagree for the reasons I posted in my first (the long) post. Let's be honest, they can't predict the future and not to the point to be sure that D. Trump winning the election will help them to sell records. Relevant maybe in terms that the press is now writing about them but it has nothing to do with the sales IMO. And they're not doing the same thing again cuz this is clearly a different situation. Honestly I think it's like saying that if they would stop with politics now and be that band that didn't care about anything else than personal stuff it would be like Oh they're trying to be cool again as in the Dookie days or shits like that. 

[petros]

1 minute ago, Wretched & Divine said:

Let me break this down for you. By beginning in a condescending tone and dismissing anyone who agrees with Green Day as a fanboy/girl, you are already going to make people get defensive because you've already decided their opinions aren't worth hearing "because pfff, stupid fangirls ". You explicitly said "apart from here no one is taking green day seriously anymore on their political shit" which is a sweeping statement which I know for a fact to be untrue and stated exactly why that is so. And then you accused them of jumping on a Trump-hating bandwagon post-election, very conveniently ignoring tweets from Billie's account dated before Obama had even been elected for his second term.

Thus it is pretty damn clear to me that you're not interested in listening to why your opinion, while valid, might not be entirely based on facts.

Uhm ok go read some fb comments or article comments or whatever and see what I meant apart from here. Of course there will be people out of here supporting what the band does. I obviously meant that the majority of posts apart from here are negative.

I only used the term fanboys and fangirls in my first post in this thread and I didn't direct it to anyone and I didn't even use it in a bad way. I was a fanboy and I can see now that I was biased in my opinions on anything about the band. And this died just because I was so disappointed by the trilogy. So instead of fanboys I could use the term "super die hard fans that are biased on anything that has to do with the band". Would that be okay and not make you dismiss what I'm saying because I used a "bad word"?

About the Trump bandwagon. If you read my first post again and really try to understand what my point is you'll see that I didn't comment on if Billie is really an old school hating Trump guy which as you provided evidence he is thank you very much. I commented on how this whole thing makes green day look like. And you can tell me "who cares what people think they are punk" or whatever and ok yeah that's just what I'm discussing though. How they seem to most people. And believe me most people don't have billie's tweets from 2011 ready as you did.

[Wretched & Divine]

12 minutes ago, Jenn. said:

Anyway, an unpopular opinion: Most of GD's love songs make me cringe a bit.

Even WICA? I don't think there is a more perfect song  Worry Rock is also brilliant. I think Billie's strength might be in writing unconventional love songs, since the only really "traditional" one I can think of that I adore is Last Night On Earth. Unless we consider Brutal Love a traditional love song?

[Leni.]

6 minutes ago, Jenn. said:

I find Billie Joe's lyrics for those kinds of songs a bit much. I think it's a result of his metaphors - normally I love them, but in the love songs I think it results in them becoming a bit cheesy.

Yeah, sometimes I feel like that too, but with these love songs I listen to the music mostly, because I can afford to ignore the lyrics because I'm not a native English speaker. For me When It's Time has such a beautiful instrumental parts  Is this unpopular opinion?  

[petros]

9 minutes ago, Ellen Caulfield said:

If you want to discuss this all I can say that I disagree for the reasons I posted in my first (the long) post. Let's be honest, they can't predict the future and not to the point to be sure that D. Trump winning the election will help them to sell records. Relevant maybe in terms that the press is now writing about them but it has nothing to do with the sales IMO. And they're not doing the same thing again cuz this is clearly a different situation. Honestly I think it's like saying that if they would stop with politics now and be that band that didn't care about anything else than personal stuff it would be like Oh they're trying to be cool again as in the Dookie days or shits like that. 

It would though wouldn't it? They are 40something year old dudes. They couldn't have that attitude about life anymore and still have us believe that it's genuine and real. Especially after they changed with warning. Or even nimrod maybe.

And that's my point that now it's like doing the same thing they did with Bush. They did it. It felt real to me(many people of course disagree on that too) and american idiot was huge. Now it's 12 years later. They are kinda doing the same thing. They are. You can't deny that. And to me it kinda feels like a cheap way to be relevant again by using something that got them relevant when they really needed it back in 04. So even if they really hate on Trump, expressing their hate to that extend makes them come off as doing the same thing again. You see what I'm saying?

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4 minutes ago, Wretched & Divine said:

Even WICA? I don't think there is a more perfect song  Worry Rock is also brilliant. I think Billie's strength might be in writing unconventional love songs, since the only really "traditional" one I can think of that I adore is Last Night On Earth. Unless we consider Brutal Love a traditional love song?

Agree & church on Sunday. 

[DeJennsitized]

3 minutes ago, Wretched & Divine said:

Even WICA? I don't think there is a more perfect song  Worry Rock is also brilliant. I think Billie's strength might be in writing unconventional love songs, since the only really "traditional" one I can think of that I adore is Last Night On Earth. Unless we consider Brutal Love a traditional love song?

Hmm, it might be something to do with the traditional love songs then! Because I do love WICA and Worry Rock  and Scattered as well. The ones I'm not keen on include When It's Time, Last Night On Earth (sorry!  ), Youngblood, and most of the songs on 1039SOSH, lol. I adore Brutal Love though. Not sure if it's traditional because it's not really about traditional love....hence the name I guess, Brutal Love  

1 minute ago, Ellen Caulfield said:

Yeah, sometimes I feel like that too, but with these love songs I listen to the music mostly, because I can afford to ignore the lyrics because I'm not a native English speaker. For me When It's Time has such a beautiful instrumental parts  Is this unpopular opinion?  

The music is a bit slow for me sometimes  When It's Time has the unfortunate combination of cringey lyrics and cringey instrumentals (those tambourines...lol!)

[Shahd]

7 hours ago, petros said:

You guys do realize that apart from here no one is taking green day seriously anymore on their political shit? I've been seeing it a lot in articles comments even on other bands forums. People that are not fanboys or fangirls make fun of billie calling trump hitler and the whole kkk rant on amas. 

I don't agree with the disrespectful way they talk about the band I've been loving for like 9 years but they have some points. Billie Joe needs to stop bitching cause he comes off as trying to jump on that wagon of hating Trump and trying to use that to sell more records. I mean revrad is a really cool album imo and it's not really political but they try to use politics I guess to make it more relevant and sell more copies? Also maybe it was fresh and new in 2004 but now 12 years later doing the same shit you did back then with Bush but also being and looking 12 years older doesn't make you look cool.

If you wanna just reply with "It's billie he can say whatever he wants, he has an opinion, he wants to state it" I know and I don't care. It's the unpopular opinion thread and I'm trying to discuss and make you think if you haven't on how green day and mostly Billie come off during this last month or so. I have stated it even before the elections I wasn't really keen on Billie attacking on trump on every chance he got and people got mad at me for saying. Now I see so many people feeling the same now as I did even back then(things have obviously gone worst now) I'd like to have a genuine conversation with you people. 

 

I'll start by telling you that I'm not here to attack you, but I've seen many of your posts and I feel like you're trying to make everyone believe that what he's doing is wrong. There are people that agree with you, you're not alone, but why do we all have to agree?!

Obviously I don't blindly follow them and agree with everything they say because I'm a "fangirl", I don't agree with Billie or Green Day on things they've been singing about for years, but I don't think they should stop. Simply, they can sing about what they want and if I don't want to hear it, I should stop listening to their songs (if you want examples I'm happy to give them to you).

I see your point and other people's points about how he might come off as trying to hit the headline news and sell more records, but they wrote these songs way before Trump was elected, and some are political, they didn't put it out as something else then tried to sell it off as political, it was political to some extent from the start.

Okay it's been 12 years since American Idiot and they're still singing about politics, but they had the Trilogy - which I think I've seen you saying that you were disappointed by it- and they had all sort of different music and different topics, and still people complained about it. I don't know man, some people keep looking at their old records and insisting that they want stuff like that to come back, but what if it doesn't?! Maybe it's time to find another band that you like?!

Don't get me wrong, I love their old records, my all time favorite album is Insomniac, but I can't keep waiting for them to make something similar to that again, as much as I hate to say it but people move on. If he ever felt like he's in that place again, I'm sure he'll write something like it again, it's all about how he's feeling at the time.

I don't feel that Billie can force lyrics that he doesn't feel or doesn't believe in for the sake of selling albums, that's the difference between what other people think and what Green Day fans think, we know Billie and we know he can't say something he doesn't firmly believe in, that what shows us that he's not doing this to sell more records, they're way past that.

 

 

I think this is my longest reply ever, I'm not a talkative person so I hope that I make sense in this, and it's not just words flying around.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

1 minute ago, Jenn. said:

Hmm, it might be something to do with the traditional love songs then! Because I do love WICA and Worry Rock  and Scattered as well. The ones I'm not keen on include When It's Time, Last Night On Earth (sorry!  ), Youngblood, and most of the songs on 1039SOSH, lol. I adore Brutal Love though. Not sure if it's traditional because it's not really about traditional love....hence the name I guess, Brutal Love  

The music is a bit slow for me sometimes  When It's Time has the unfortunate combination of cringey lyrics and cringey instrumentals (those tambourines...lol!)

Last night on earth I've asked the fam to play at my funeral😶 That's cringey right!!?? 

[Leni.]

5 minutes ago, petros said:

It would though wouldn't it? They are 40something year old dudes. They couldn't have that attitude about life anymore and still have us believe that it's genuine and real. Especially after they changed with warning. Or even nimrod maybe.

And that's my point that now it's like doing the same thing they did with Bush. They did it. It felt real to me(many people of course disagree on that too) and american idiot was huge. Now it's 12 years later. They are kinda doing the same thing. They are. You can't deny that. And to me it kinda feels like a cheap way to be relevant again by using something that got them relevant when they really needed it back in 04. So even if they really hate on Trump, expressing their hate to that extend makes them come off as doing the same thing again. You see what I'm saying?

I do, and I have the right to disagree on this as much you disagree with me, but I wasn't reffering to masturbation or coming out to your parents but to personal lyrics in general.

3 minutes ago, Jenn. said:

The music is a bit slow for me sometimes  When It's Time has the unfortunate combination of cringey lyrics and cringey instrumentals (those tambourines...lol!)

Ah, that's sad  I don't mind tambourines it's the last thing that i hear in that song, but that's only because my ears are able to ignore things like this  

4 minutes ago, Tinkle said:

Last night on earth I've asked the fam to play at my funeral😶 That's cringey right!!?? 

I haven't asked anyone yet but I recently wondered about D.U.I. I mean nobody would be able to cry hearing such weird and funny sounding song  

[DeJennsitized]

4 minutes ago, Tinkle said:

Last night on earth I've asked the fam to play at my funeral😶 That's cringey right!!?? 

 Not at all! It's only my (possibly unpopular) opinion that's it's cringey. My family would be doing me a disservice if they didn't play a Green Day song at my funeral. I do wonder what song they'd pick if I didn't tell them though. Probably Ordinary World (which I do find a bit cringe but it would be really sweet!)

[UNICORN VOMIT]

Just now, Jenn. said:

 Not at all! It's only my (possibly unpopular) opinion that's it's cringey. My family would be doing me a disservice if they didn't play a Green Day song at my funeral. I do wonder what song they'd pick if I didn't tell them though. Probably Ordinary World (which I do find a bit cringe but it would be really sweet!)

As a matter of interest do you like SB? 

[DeJennsitized]

3 minutes ago, Tinkle said:

As a matter of interest do you like SB? 

I do! It really grew on me from the first time I listened to it.

Edit: As a funeral song though...maybe not! LOL

[petros]

3 minutes ago, Shahd said:

 

I'll start by telling you that I'm not here to attack you, but I've seen many of your posts and I feel like you're trying to make everyone believe that what he's doing is wrong. There are people that agree with you, you're not alone, but why do we all have to agree?!

Obviously I don't blindly follow them and agree with everything they say because I'm a "fangirl", I don't agree with Billie or Green Day on things they've been singing about for years, but I don't think they should stop. Simply, they can sing about what they want and if I don't want to hear it, I should stop listening to their songs (if you want examples I'm happy to give them to you).

I see your point and other people's points about how he might come off as trying to hit the headline news and sell more records, but they wrote these songs way before Trump was elected, and some are political, they didn't put it out as something else then tried to sell it off as political, it was political to some extent from the start.

Okay it's been 12 years since American Idiot and they're still singing about politics, but they had the Trilogy - which I think I've seen you saying that you were disappointed by it- and they had all sort of different music and different topics, and still people complained about it. I don't know man, some people keep looking at their old records and insisting that they want stuff like that to come back, but what if it doesn't?! Maybe it's time to find another band that you like?!

Don't get me wrong, I love their old records, my all time favorite album is Insomniac, but I can't keep waiting for them to make something similar to that again, as much as I hate to say it but people move on. If he ever felt like he's in that place again, I'm sure he'll write something like it again, it's all about how he's feeling at the time.

I don't feel that Billie can force lyrics that he doesn't feel or doesn't believe in for the sake of selling albums, that's the difference between what other people think and what Green Day fans think, we know Billie and we know he can't say something he doesn't firmly believe in, that what shows us that he's not doing this to sell more records, they're way past that.

I think this is my longest reply ever, I'm not a talkative person so I hope that I make sense in this, and it's not just words flying around.

If only more people could disagree with me like you just did.

Yeah about the fangirls and boys thing I think I explained my self in my latest post quoting Wretched & Divine  so I didn't want to offend anyone and especially anyone like you. And of course I'm not trying to make people agree with me on saying that what they do is wrong. People have opinions and that's awesome. By posting it I obviously want to discuss it with people not getting offended and ""attacking"" me. Even though what I posted here was about how people view green day the arguments I got were about if green day are really hating trump or not. And I didn't remember those tweets but yeah I get it they really dislike the guy since back in the day. But that doesn't mean that what I'm saying is wrong.

Cause what I'm saying is that it looks like they do the same thing. Also after the trilogy flopped and they turned to politics again and more specifically into hating a certain politician(the us president) that also makes them look to do the same thing that got the relevant the other time don't you thing? I'm not saying that I think they did it. I'm still thinking about it. It seems like they did kinda do the same thing to get relevant again but on the other hand I don't want to believe this about my favorite band.

Also yeah Insomniac is my favorite album too! And you surely make sens and I wish you write more long posts too  

[UNICORN VOMIT]

5 minutes ago, Jenn. said:

I do! It really grew on me from the first time I listened to it.

Edit: As a funeral song though...maybe not! LOL

Hated myself for loving it & touché but shit that would get a laugh- from my friends anyway. 

[Wretched & Divine]

12 minutes ago, petros said:

Uhm ok go read some fb comments or article comments or whatever and see what I meant apart from here. Of course there will be people out of here supporting what the band does. I obviously meant that the majority of posts apart from here are negative.

I only used the term fanboys and fangirls in my first post in this thread and I didn't direct it to anyone and I didn't even use it in a bad way. I was a fanboy and I can see now that I was biased in my opinions on anything about the band. And this died just because I was so disappointed by the trilogy. So instead of fanboys I could use the term "super die hard fans that are biased on anything that has to do with the band". Would that be okay and not make you dismiss what I'm saying because I used a "bad word"?

About the Trump bandwagon. If you read my first post again and really try to understand what my point is you'll see that I didn't comment on if Billie is really an old school hating Trump guy which as you provided evidence he is thank you very much. I commented on how this whole thing makes green day look like. And you can tell me "who cares what people think they are punk" or whatever and ok yeah that's just what I'm discussing though. How they seem to most people. And believe me most people don't have billie's tweets from 2011 ready as you did.

 I read the comments on here which is frequented by millennials (and there was not one single negative thing said at the time, not sure if there has been anything else added as there was only 5 pages of comments last I checked) and on Breitbart's article mostly for the lols (where actually the debate about whether Green Day are still punk dominated much of the sane discussion, which is a conversation people have been having since they signed to a major label, soooo...). I tend not to take facebook too seriously as the majority of people commenting aren't even part of my generation and thus they view things through an entirely different lens.

I'm not dismissing what you're saying, just explaining how you sound to people and why calling us fangirls/boys for agreeing with them on this might not result in the most constructive conversations. I disliked the Trilogy so much that I didn't even remember listening to most of the songs off those records until I came back to the band for RevRad, and yet I don't think what they're doing now is contrived. Not sure where that leaves me in terms of being a fangirl, but that's beside the point.

Anyway, I am not particularly interested in what angry gen X-ers think. They are obviously being completely genuine in these protests, since we know Billie has been calling Trump a racist for a very long time. The way other people perceive them isn't important to me, so I guess have fun if it is to you? There are better things for me to focus on.

17 minutes ago, Jenn. said:

Hmm, it might be something to do with the traditional love songs then! Because I do love WICA and Worry Rock  and Scattered as well. The ones I'm not keen on include When It's Time, Last Night On Earth (sorry!  ), Youngblood, and most of the songs on 1039SOSH, lol. I adore Brutal Love though. Not sure if it's traditional because it's not really about traditional love....hence the name I guess, Brutal Love  

The music is a bit slow for me sometimes  When It's Time has the unfortunate combination of cringey lyrics and cringey instrumentals (those tambourines...lol!)

I've accepted my fate as being in a minority with Youngblood. I love it so much  I don't listen to 1039/Slappy Hours very often, probably for the same reason and I just haven't given it much thought. Nimrod and Warning are full of such wonderful unconventional love songs. When It's Time is definitely not my cup of tea, sorry Billie.

[Chin for a Day]

19 minutes ago, Jenn. said:

Hmm, it might be something to do with the traditional love songs then! Because I do love WICA and Worry Rock  and Scattered as well. The ones I'm not keen on include When It's Time, Last Night On Earth (sorry!  ), Youngblood, and most of the songs on 1039SOSH, lol. I adore Brutal Love though. Not sure if it's traditional because it's not really about traditional love....hence the name I guess, Brutal Love  

The music is a bit slow for me sometimes  When It's Time has the unfortunate combination of cringey lyrics and cringey instrumentals (those tambourines...lol!)

I agree with everything you said other than the LNOE part, I love that song.  I think for me, sometimes Billie writes songs that come off, to me, as he is just throwing out cliques to try and impress someone, not necessarily to mean them.  There seems to be real passion in songs like Worry Rock or Scattered or Church on Sunday, as opposed to WIT that to me just comes across as a whiney boy. 

[Leni.]

23 minutes ago, Shahd said:

I think this is my longest reply ever, I'm not a talkative person so I hope that I make sense in this, and it's not just words flying around.

You made sense to me

 

9 minutes ago, petros said:

Also after the trilogy flopped and they turned to politics again and more specifically into hating a certain politician(the us president) that also makes them look to do the same thing that got the relevant the other time don't you thing? I'm not saying that I think they did it. I'm still thinking about it. 

They had 99 Rev on Trilogy, they've never dropped politics from their ablums since Warning - 1998/99 when they started to write songs for that record, they have been always listening to political bands so basically politics is important to them longer than since AI as some people seem to think. 

[petros]

7 minutes ago, Wretched & Divine said:

 I read the comments on here which is frequented by millennials (and there was not one single negative thing said at the time, not sure if there has been anything else added as there was only 5 pages of comments last I checked) and on Breitbart's article mostly for the lols (where actually the debate about whether Green Day are still punk dominated much of the sane discussion, which is a conversation people have been having since they signed to a major label, soooo...). I tend not to take facebook too seriously as the majority of people commenting aren't even part of my generation and thus they view things through an entirely different lens.

I'm not dismissing what you're saying, just explaining how you sound to people and why calling us fangirls/boys for agreeing with them on this might not result in the most constructive conversations. I disliked the Trilogy so much that I didn't even remember listening to most of the songs off those records until I came back to the band for RevRad, and yet I don't think what they're doing now is contrived. Not sure where that leaves me in terms of being a fangirl, but that's beside the point.

Anyway, I am not particularly interested in what angry gen X-ers think. They are obviously being completely genuine in these protests, since we know Billie has been calling Trump a racist for a very long time. The way other people perceive them isn't important to me, so I guess have fun if it is to you? There are better things for me to focus on.

Well in this post while we still disagree on some things you don't come off as you did in your other posts so yeah it probably was me using the world fanboys or girls. So I'll agree with you on that  

5 minutes ago, Ellen Caulfield said:

They had 99 Rev on Trilogy, they've never dropped politics from their ablums since Warning - 1998/99 when they started to write songs for that record, they have been always listening to political bands so basically politics is important to them longer than since AI as some people seem to think. 

It's just one song though they didn't really talk about politics during trilogy. And my argument isn't really about the music. As I said revrad doesn't feel forced to me and I like that album. What I don't like are the interviews and the live shows statements.