Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[iScottie]

Just now, AmyxLongview said:

Speaking of, is deviot even a word?  

Nope. People have speculated that Billie Joe combined deviant and idiot.

[Spike]

Isn't it deviate? In which case, yes. It makes sense in context as it's an archaic term for deviant. 

[RougeRogue]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

Isn't it deviate? In which case, yes. It makes sense in context as it's an archaic term for deviant. 

Not exactly. Deviate is an action/verb. Deviant is a noun. A deviant deviates from something.

 

 

[Spike]

2 minutes ago, RougeRogue said:

Not exactly. Deviate is an action/verb. Deviant is a noun. A deviant deviates from something.

 

True, but it depends on the pronunciation. The archaic form has the soft A sound and gives it a different meaning.

/nerd 

[MikeDirntConfused]

My unpopular opinion is more of the GD fans. How come when someone compliments the band, everything turns into a cheer fest; yet when someone posts anything remotely negative about GD, everyone comes out with torches and attacks the poster?

[Libertine Angel]

45 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said:

My unpopular opinion is more of the GD fans. How come when someone compliments the band, everything turns into a cheer fest; yet when someone posts anything remotely negative about GD, everyone comes out with torches and attacks the poster?

Depends what it's about, you see far less torches with Trilogy-bashing

[RedundantIdiot]

1 hour ago, MikeDirntConfused said:

My unpopular opinion is more of the GD fans. How come when someone compliments the band, everything turns into a cheer fest; yet when someone posts anything remotely negative about GD, everyone comes out with torches and attacks the poster?

If the negative poster is Steven Seagull people tend to come out and attack

[MikeDirntConfused]

It's just something that I've noticed in the threads. I'm not saying everyone is like this, though. There are great posters on here that have open views about all opinions of the band, and in the end, that's what makes a forum a forum. However, there are many people on here that can't stand anything negative about the band. It seems like anything "bad" about GD can be brushed off and not taken seriously. So, idk I guess this is more of a "controlled fan club" so to speak. You can only talk about how great GD is, or if you want to say something negative, you can talk about how bad the trilogy is - nothing else.

If someone/something not related to GD was in the same situation, then people would be pissed. But, its GD so they get the benefit of the doubt or a second chance.

Edited October 30, 2016 by MikeDirntConfused

[Wretched & Divine]

Eh, people are pretty defensive and protective of the people/things they love. A criticism of a certain album, for example, can be viewed as an insult to someone who loves that particular album. I've personally not seen people here acting like that? Disagreements are going to be pretty standard in a thread with "unpopular opinions" in its title, but that doesn't mean people are intolerant of the criticism.

[RougeRogue]

I really don't feel like Ive seen that happen. Im either blind, ignorant, or hardened by the ways of tumblr arguments. That shit over there gets nasty, yo. This is a cake walk.

[Libertine Angel]

32 minutes ago, MikeDirntConfused said:

It's just something that I've noticed in the threads. I'm not saying everyone is like this, though. There are great posters on here that have open views about all opinions of the band, and in the end, that's what makes a forum a forum. However, there are many people on here that can't stand anything negative about the band. It seems like anything "bad" about GD can be brushed off and not taken seriously. So, idk I guess this is more of a "controlled fan club" so to speak. You can only talk about how great GD is, or if you want to say something negative, you can talk about how bad the trilogy is - nothing else.

If someone/something not related to GD was in the same situation, then people would be pissed. But, its GD so they get the benefit of the doubt or a second chance.

Nah, I've spent pages complaining about RevRad

[Hermione]

It's just more likely people are going to have a positive opinion of a Green Day album/song on a Green Day fansite, so a negative opinion is more likely to be met with disagreement and a positive one is more likely to be met with agreement. Doesn't necessarily mean someone objects to the negative opinion being posted just because they disagree with it, I know when I post to disagree about a song or whatever it's just to state my opinion on it in response and hopefully sometimes have an interesting discussion.

[Beerjeezus]

42 minutes ago, Libertine Angel said:

Nah, I've spent pages complaining about RevRad

And I've always resisted torching you

[belinda jane]

i'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but i always find myself skipping 'outlaws' and i really don't know why.
i love the lyrics and really want to like it, but i just.. don't. as soon as i hear it, i skip it. whyyyyy.

[tresexy101]

4 minutes ago, belinda jane said:

i'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but i always find myself skipping 'outlaws' and i really don't know why.
i love the lyrics and really want to like it, but i just.. don't. as soon as i hear it, i skip it. whyyyyy.

I think because it's somewhat slow and placed on the wrong part of the album... I think it would have been a great last song..  take out Ordinary World and replace that song with Outlaws.  I love Ordinary World but I was really hoping for a great rendition of 'Olivia' to be on the album.  I'm drunk as fuck right now cuz I watched football (Go Pats) so forget everything I just typed.  You are beautiful cuz I love woman with Australian accents.   That's all that really matters.  Peace and love.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

13 minutes ago, belinda jane said:

i'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but i always find myself skipping 'outlaws' and i really don't know why.
i love the lyrics and really want to like it, but i just.. don't. as soon as i hear it, i skip it. whyyyyy.

Perhaps you were an outlaw when you were younger....

[That Dude]

4 minutes ago, tresexy101 said:

I think because it's somewhat slow and placed on the wrong part of the album... I think it would have been a great last song..  take out Ordinary World and replace that song with Outlaws.  I love Ordinary World but I was really hoping for a great rendition of 'Olivia' to be on the album.  I'm drunk as fuck right now cuz I watched football (Go Pats) so forget everything I just typed.  You are beautiful cuz I love woman with Australian accents.   That's all that really matters.  Peace and love.

Because of the nature of RevRad and it's variety of sounds, it's really amazing to change to the order of the songs and listen to it that way.   

You can order it from fast to slow, slow to fast.   

I myself am trying to build the concept from rearranging the songs in the correct order.   

It will all make sense when I get them in the original order as they were meant to be.  

[belinda jane]

Just now, Tinkle said:

Perhaps you were an outlaw when you were younger....

i definitely was a baby hooligan.

[tresexy101]

3 minutes ago, thatdude03 said:

Because of the nature of RevRad and it's variety of sounds, it's really amazing to change to the order of the songs and listen to it that way.   

You can order it from fast to slow, slow to fast.   

I myself am trying to build the concept from rearranging the songs in the correct order.   

It will all make sense when I get them in the original order as they were meant to be.  

You seem very smart and I can't hold an intellectual back and forth with you due to substances in my body that affect my brain and my thinking.  But what you just typed sounds good to me right now. =)

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

On 10/29/2016 at 5:53 AM, Wretched & Divine said:

I'm kind of surprised so many people think Youngblood is from married-for-20+-years Billie's perspective. From the first time I heard it, I figured it was his perspective from around the time they first met? I mean, "getting drunk and falling into hedges" should surely make it quite clear it's not based on current events given his sobriety 

On 10/29/2016 at 11:41 AM, RougeRogue said:

No one seems to be seeing this song as two people still able to find their youth within a 20+ year relationship. It's not about finding young love coming from a 44 year old at all. If you want that, take a look at a number of trilogy songs. This song is about looking at the person you're with, that you've been with for ages and you see the wrinkles and lines and you've been through a lot...but you still see the youth, the spunk, the fire that brought you together in the first place. When I hear Youngblood, I hear Billie looking at Adrienne and thinking "Yep, she's still the girl I fell in love with."

On 10/29/2016 at 1:07 PM, henrybr said:

I don't think it's trying too hard. I think it's a memory song. A song of a middle-agged guy remembering how he was and how her beloved were 20 or more years before, when they met, and how was that feeling. As a look back, it certainly don't have all the feelings of the moment, which the early green day songs of 1039 and kerplunk have, but it's more like a revisitation of that time and the impact that love had.

I don't know, sometimes I think people have difficult to deal with the songs Billie Joe have been writing nowadays about his past, maybe because he wrote about his past when it was his present, years ago. There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about some trilogy songs and youngblood, about that. He is not trying to copy himself in those songs, or pretend he is young again, in my opinion, but rather revisit his youth, from a diferent perspective, and maybe tell again one story or another, but differentely. He is looking at his memories and thinking about how it was like back then, how he sees it now, or remembering how he felt like. If find it very interesting, and it happens in many songs like amanda, sex drugs and violence, sweet 16, youngblood, too dumb to die, x-kid, etc, etc.

Yay, I'm so glad you guys understand where I'm coming from when I say I love this song! Your interpretations of it are exactly the way I listened to it the first time I heard it — looking back on your relationship and seeing how much has changed, but at the same time, how much is still the same. You may not be youthful anymore but you still have that youthful spirit. Even the fun, upbeat music, to me, fits with that theme.

That's why when I read comments like "no one in a real relationship talks that way to each other!" and "this is a lame love song coming from a man who's been married 20+ years!" it just didn't make any sense to me. Billie and Adrienne were 18 or so when they got together, right? Yeah, when a 44-year-old looks back on his teenage self, Youngblood as an end result definitely makes sense. Hell, I look back on 9 years ago when my husband and I started dating at 16 years old and I think about the things I said and did and I think I was a fucking idiot, ha. Plus, I really don't think this song is meant to be anything other than a short, simple, poppy love song. Some people are treating it like it needs to be metaphorically analyzed like Jesus of Suburbia or something.  

That's not to say repeating "Youngblood" over and over again is a great chorus... I'm not saying it is... but the sentiment behind the song makes sense to me.

 

On 10/29/2016 at 10:29 AM, Whatsername_123 said:

I think the problem with Youngblood is that people, myself included, judged the song by its title before hearing it. I was expecting it to be awesome based on the title... but unfortunately it isn't. It isn't a bad song, it just isn't what I hoped it would be.

This is exactly what happened with me and Outlaws and tbh I am still SO disappointed by it every time I listen to it.  

[That Dude]

1 minute ago, tresexy101 said:

You seem very smart and I can't hold an intellectual back and forth with you due to substances in my body that affect my brain and my thinking.  But what you just typed sounds good to me right now. =)

You feeling like a cello at the moment?  

When will you be coming down so we can discuss how smart I am?  

Here is the slow to fast version of RevRad:

Ordinary World / Outlaws / Still Breathing / Troubled Times / Say Goodbye / Somewhere now / Too Dumb / FOrever Now / RevRad / Young / Bouncing / Bang

and then reverse that for fastest to slowest.   

 

[tresexy101]

I'm feeling like jello at the moment but I do like that order......   foreplay, heavy petting, and then ya just go at it like rabbits!  Thank you for that list - I'm gonna cause my sheets  needed to be washed again! 

Peace and love

[DookieLukie]

Whatever it is about the song, "Youngblood" doesn't come off as cringey to me in any way. It sounds playful and sweet, and I don't really care what Billie's age is.

Additionally, whether he's singing based on past memories or his feelings now, what's so wrong with people still being in love years later? In regard to the Trilogy, what's wrong with married people still wanted to fuck each other's brains out? Just in general, there seems to be this air of misery attached to marriage. People call it a "ball and chain." People laugh at the notion of married people still having any sort of romantic interest in each other after x amount of years. And yeah, a ton of marriages do SUCK and FAIL, and even successful marriages change and face difficulties, but why hate on people who may be still happy together after 15-20 yrs? Why can't Billie talk about his wife like they're young love? Every time older people talk about love, people expect negativity and "realism." Well maybe that's why marriages fail so much; we expect them to.

[Libertine Angel]

1 minute ago, DookieLukie said:

Whatever it is about the song, "Youngblood" doesn't come off as cringey to me in any way. It sounds playful and sweet, and I don't really care what Billie's age is.

Additionally, whether he's singing based on past memories or his feelings now, what's so wrong with people still being in love years later? In regard to the Trilogy, what's wrong with married people still wanted to fuck each other's brains out? Just in general, there seems to be this air of misery attached to marriage. People call it a "ball and chain." People laugh at the notion of married people still having any sort of romantic interest in each other after x amount of years. And yeah, a ton of marriages do SUCK and FAIL, and even successful marriages change and face difficulties, but why hate on people who may be still happy together after 15-20 yrs? Why can't Billie talk about his wife like they're young love? Every time older people talk about love, people expect negativity and "realism." Well maybe that's why marriages fail so much; we expect them to.

It's playful and sweet to excess though, it's so unrelentingly saccharine, love is so much more than just happy sparkles and he captured that a fuckload better when he was 18.

[That Dude]

Unpopular opinion #0:    

Green Day's entire discography tells an epic story, starting with a teenage Billie Joe having awkward eye contact in a Library and ends with him living in an Ordinary World until he dies.  

After leaving the Library and pouting, he wonders through life pouting about a lot of things, like people leaving him, etc.  He gets lost for a while, smokes weed, but mostly longs for the love of women that won't give him the time of day because his music career is lame.    

I might do the entire thing one day but this is what it boils down to, in the simplest way:

1039 - Insomniac:   Guy is lonely.   When he is not lonely he is angry.  

Nimrod:  Guys acts a fool, contributing to his loneliness.  

Warning::  Guy finds a sick bless in his loneliness and is starting to figure out how to deal with it in better ways.  

American Idiot:   Guys starts having drugs problems as he meets the girl of his dreams.  Dream girl dumps him because he's a burned out poser and he gets all mopey again, like he was in his 1039 days.   Lonely guy, can't catch a break.   

21st Century Breakdown:  Guy wallows in misery, finds a good girl briefly but things of course don't end well.  He does recover a little better this time and continues trying to find a better way to die.  

Uno / Dos / Tre:  Guy loses his F(woo)ing mind, almost completely derails his life with a drug and alcohol fueled bender but recovers in time to see the wreckage.  He faces his demons at the end, and while having devestated his entire life, he knows that life will eventually work out in one way or the other.  

RevRad:   Guy finds faith in new found healthy family life and realizes he has what's most important.   The world is falling apart just like it has been for the last dozen years but he's good.  He looks back at all the good times he's had with his best bud, Satan and realizes he's had a pretty good life.   He's been through the ringer and overcome nearly all of his demons.  He's got a good woman at home and she thinks he does no wrong....

He has an urge to do something great.  Something bigger and better than American Idiot.....wait, I mean....nevermind. But over time he realizes that his wife and children mean more to him than any of that stuff.   He picks up his guitar and for the first time in his life, he plays because he wants to, not because he has too.