Libertine Angel Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: It really started to feel great this week and I've been listening to it since the leak. Of all gd albums, it was the hardest to get into for me but it was worth the effort Even as a revrad apologists, I have to say this: the title song's lyrics are shite. 1,039 sappiness is teenager's sappiness. That's easier to handle than the same thing coming from a guy in his forties. Started to like it or got used to having lower expectations? Yeah, I said it when it came out and I stand by that it should've been Bang Bang's B-side. Definitely, which is why the Trilogy was so cringey. 10 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: You are right Diversity doesn't necessarily indicate drive, but in this case I believe it does. How do you think doing the same 3 chord power chord songs for an entire album shows drive? I personally thought it showed laziness. That is how I felt when Insomniac came out and I still feel that way today. While I will agree there is some good writing on it, I would hardly say it is his best. He has gotten so much more diverse and intricate musically and lyrically. I also agree that different interpretations can mean the lyrics are generic, but I think it is virtually impossible to write a generic statement and have so many people touched and moved by them. There has to be some context around the lyrics that make people feel different things. It is interesting that you quoted Rev Rad the song as to what does it mean. I think that they are one of the more straightforward. He is talking about the chaos in the US and how it is played up in the media. There is nothing good on 1039 except the fact that it showed the potential that was there. I don't think drive is related to musical diversity at all, for any cases - Stiff Little Fingers' first album doesn't have much in the way of diversity but that's one of the purest, most heartfelt expressions of anger and frustration and pain I've ever heard. I believe the best, or at least most easily definable, indicator of drive is in the lyrics, and I can't think of any moment on RevRad that beats anything on Insomniac there. Sure it is, that's literally exactly how horoscopes and all that kind of thing work, you write something so banal everyone relates to it because it can describe anything. What do the actual lines of the chorus mean though? "Debutantes and surgery", what is that? Nothing good? Paper Lanterns and Going To Pasalacqua alone would make that album. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: I have to agree with Jane. Why do you think they are generic? Forever Now is possibly the best anthem Billie has ever written. It flows much better than JOS and Homecoming. It much more seamless It doesn't do anything to me musically. I don't know if the lyrics are really good nothing stands out to me in the lyrics when I listen to it and can't be bothered to check them out more since the music sounds like the same thing over the 7 minutes. It sounds to me like a trilogy song from uno expanded for 7 minutes. And not an interesting song like Carpe Diem or Kill the DJ a boring song like Loss of Control or something. The same for me with Somewhere now. The music sounds so uninspired. It doesn't climax or have a real melody or chorus. 3 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: Objectively, Somewhere Now happens to be one of their most harmonically richest songs. It's one of the least musically generic things they've ever done. Nah there's no such thing objectively I'm sorry. Everyone has opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Libertine Angel said: Started to like it or got used to having lower expectations? Yeah, I said it when it came out and I stand by that it should've been Bang Bang's B-side. Definitely, which is why the Trilogy was so cringey. The second half has grown on me a lot and I learned to tune out the cringey parts I love the intro and the melody but the lyrics ruin it. "Debutantes and surgery" could mean "bulshit in the media" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: When I first heard it I thought it should be an instrumental. It is a very fun song musically. I do think Youngblood is musically reminiscent of She's A Rebel, musically, but while I think they both can be classified as "I love you, your perfect" kind of songs, I think the lyrics are written differently. To me She's A Rebel is adorkable Billie. He is talking about her strength, her confidence, basically, he is telling us why he loves her so much. To me Youngblood isn't adorkable Billie, it is insecure Billie. He is just throwing out one bad cliche after another and none of it makes any sense. He isn't telling us anything about their relationship. He is just trying to say things that may be taken as compliments. I despise When It's Time, for similar reasons. To me that song is just so passive aggressive. Every time i hear it, I just want to scream, "for fucks sake grow some balls and tell me you love me!" I love Last Night on Earth, for various reasons. The biggest is probably because he sounds so beautiful on it. But also, there is a purpose to the song, he is telling her what she means to him and that he is hers forever. I think Billie's style of writing has always been pretty cliched ridden, but most of the time I think he uses them well. So, it doesn't bother me that he does. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with that, I think - he's throwing out random phrases that sound descriptive or complimentary, but aren't. Like "cedar in the trees of Minnesota" - I understand he's saying "Lebanese woman in Minnesota" and that's meant to be sweet, but it doesn't really mean anything. In She's A Rebel I can picture this youthful, badass woman who brings joy into his life and I can understand why he feels that way about her without even knowing who she is. He is using phrases to describe her, but they're coherent and relevant. Whereas with Youngblood I know who it's about, but it doesn't tell me anything about her or his feelings for her, because yeah, it's just empty, cringeworthy phrases strung together in a way that doesn't make much sense. I don't actually mind the "fuck you I'm from Oakland" line but because it's meant to be about Adrienne it makes no sense. The interpretations people have come up with are probably correct but it's still too badly executed to work for me. I love the music and I guess all this complaining is me trying to make friends with the lyrics 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: The second half has grown on me a lot and I learned to tune out the cringey parts I love the intro and the melody but the lyrics ruin it. "Debutantes and surgery" could mean "bulshit in the media" The cringey parts are too cringey for me to tune out, that's why I haven't listened to the Trilogy in a long time either Absolutely, the music is great, but then I facepalm as soon as Billie starts singing. ...how? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Also billie getting away with lyrics being just things he has in his mind and writing them down and make no sense as a whole has to stop. After American idiot he has done this a lot. And always some people will say, no it makes no sense on purpose because this song represents the chaos in a america right now and blah blah blah. Please, even Billie himself admitted he did it in Nuclear Family and I'm sure that's not the only song he's done it. He's always been somewhat poetic but it has become too much after american idiot to the point sometimes he makes no sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, petros said: Also billie getting away with lyrics being just things he has in his mind and writing them down and make no sense as a whole has to stop. After American idiot he has done this a lot. And always some people will say, no it makes no sense on purpose because this song represents the chaos in a america right now and blah blah blah. Please, even Billie himself admitted he did it in Nuclear Family and I'm sure that's not the only song he's done it. He's always been somewhat poetic but it has become too much after american idiot to the points sometimes he makes no sense. Yeah, parts of Bang Bang are just unrelated lines but the lines in themselves make sense so I see that as a valid excuse, but things like the RevRad chorus are just random words that happen to rhyme and that's just not on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leni. Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: Forever Now is possibly the best anthem Billie has ever written. It flows much better than JOS and Homecoming. It much more seamless Well, I have nothing against any of those songs you mentioned above but Homecoming is just pure perfection for me I love all three but Homecoming has a special place in my heart, you know - that feeling Haha 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, Ellen Caulfield said: Well, I have nothing against any of those songs you mentioned above but Homecoming is just pure perfection for me I love all three but Homecoming has a special place in my heart, you know - that feeling Haha Yeah how can Forever now compare to Homecoming? It's my favorite green day anthem too. How can a song like forever now top Homecoming? That's what I meant some people need time to really judge the album properly. You(not you I'm quoting I'm talking in general) put forever now above a song that's been out for 12 years and is still so good and epic as the first year. You people really thing you'll care and still think the same about forever now 12 years from now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, petros said: Nah there's no such thing objectively I'm sorry. Everyone has opinions. Yes, there is. You said that song is generic. That's a statement not an opinion and it's a wrong statement. Song as musically complex as SN simply doesn't fall into that category at all. What you wanted to say is that you dislike it and that's fine but it isn't generic at all. See, I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd but I don't say their music is generic. Becuse it isn't. There's a major difference between discussing opinions on a piece of music and discussing the musical side of the piece itself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leni. Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, DookieLukie said: I think Forever Now is overrated just because it's long. The first part of the song is the only part I listen to. Somewhere Now, however, is a really really great song. If I understood your post right, you like Somewhere Now - but that means you can listen to Forever Now's first part, then skip the one in the middle of the song and then listen to the rest because it sounds almost like Somewhere Now Never mind, just an idea hah Edited October 19, 2016 by Ellen Caulfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Boulevard is overrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, Jane Lannister said: Yes, there is. You said that song is generic. That's a statement not an opinion and it's a wrong statement. Song as musically complex as SN simply doesn't fall into that category at all. What you wanted to say is that you dislike it and that's fine but it isn't generic at all. See, I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd but I don't say their music is generic. Becuse it isn't. There's a major difference between discussing opinions on a piece of music and discussing the musical side of the piece itself. Hahaha come on now. "Song as musically complex as SN"? I'm not here to act like an asshole or a hipster but what other music have you listened to your life? This song isn't musically complex compared to the most green day songs not to mention with the general music. You can see that yourself. Show someone that doesn't care about green day, Homecoming or Jos and then Forever now. I'm sure all of them would prefer the "song that changed over it's 9 minutes and ended in that epic way" than the "other one". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Libertine Angel said: Absolutely, the music is great, but then I facepalm as soon as Billie starts singing. ...how? Exactly! The only time I could properly enjoy it was when I was doing something else and got distracted enough that I stopped paying attention Idk, it just makes me think of stuff you see in tabloids and things like that. It's pretty much a wild guess. (But they are some wild lyrics ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, Jane Lannister said: Exactly! The only time I could properly enjoy it was when I was doing something else and got distracted enough that I stopped paying attention Idk, it just makes me think of stuff you see in tabloids and things like that. It's pretty much a wild guess. (But they are some wild lyrics ) I wish I could do that, I can't tune out of music Well that's as good a guess as any seeing as it's literally just two random words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, JoeFrusciante said: Boulevard is overrated Not really overrated by the fans just the public that don't really listen to rock music or green day. It's a good song overall though and deserved to be a huge hit. But yeah not a top 10 green day song by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leni. Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, petros said: Yeah how can Forever now compare to Homecoming? It's my favorite green day anthem too. How can a song like forever now top Homecoming? That's what I meant some people need time to really judge the album properly. You(not you I'm quoting I'm talking in general) put forever now above a song that's been out for 12 years and is still so good and epic as the first year. You people really thing you'll care and still think the same about forever now 12 years from now? I think, as you said, after several years they could compete, but now I'm still not able to say which one is better, I like both of them but in a different way. Plus Homecoming is just soo so good to listen to at anytime and anywhere. Oh let's talk about Nobody likes you part, it's just killing me ahhh The melody is so easy but fucking perfect, I don't know, it fits the lyrics so well, man. Mike is a genius you know His bass on this song - don't want me to start about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, petros said: Yeah how can Forever now compare to Homecoming? It's my favorite green day anthem too. How can a song like forever now top Homecoming? That's what I meant some people need time to really judge the album properly. You(not you I'm quoting I'm talking in general) put forever now above a song that's been out for 12 years and is still so good and epic as the first year. You people really thing you'll care and still think the same about forever now 12 years from now? Yes I do. You know what people feel about a song is very personal. I have never felt this attached to an album like I do with Rev rad. That is great that Homecoming is your song buy everyone has a right to their opinion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, petros said: Hahaha come on now. "Song as musically complex as SN"? I'm not here to act like an asshole or a hipster but what other music have you listened to your life? This song isn't musically complex compared to the most green day songs not to mention with the general music. You can see that yourself. Show someone that doesn't care about green day, Homecoming or Jos and then Forever now. I'm sure all of them would prefer the "song that changed over it's 9 minutes and ended in that epic way" than the "other one". I'm comparing it solely to the rest of Green Day's catalogue because that's what we're talking about. I've listened to a lot of music, thanks for your concern, I just don't find it useful to compare a Green Day song to Beethoven's Symphony no. 7 in terms of musical complexity and harmony. It makes much more sense to compare it with other Green Day songs or other pop-punk songs. In comparison with dozens of formulaic, three-chord songs it is nothing but generic. Forever Now might not be as catchy as other of their long songs but it has more cohesion. That makes it different, I prefer it over a JOS rehash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, Scattered Wreck said: Yes I do. You know what people feel about a song is very personal. I have never felt this attached to an album like I do with Rev rad. That is great that Homecoming is your song buy everyone has a right to their opinion Of course all i'm saying is I don't feel it's right to compare a newly released song to others that have been here for so long and are certified classics because the excitement of new music may make people not think straight. Happened to me with the trilogy at first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, petros said: Of course all i'm saying is I don't feel it's right to compare a newly released song to others that have been here for so long and are certified classics because the excitement of new music may make people not think straight. Happened to me with the trilogy at first. Maybe but all I can tell you is I know how I felt when all their albums,came out. And I feel the most with revrad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Jane Lannister said: I'm comparing it solely to the rest of Green Day's catalogue because that's what we're talking about. I've listened to a lot of music, thanks for your concern, I just don't find it useful to compare a Green Day song to Beethoven's Symphony no. 7 in terms of musical complexity and harmony. It makes much more sense to compare it with other Green Day songs or other pop-punk songs. In comparison with dozens of formulaic, three-chord songs it is nothing but generic. Forever Now might not be as catchy as other of their long songs but it has more cohesion. That makes it different, I prefer it over a JOS rehash. Ok then let's agree to disagree then. For me it's generic for you it's a musical masterpiece. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leni. Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: Yes I do. You know what people feel about a song is very personal. I have never felt this attached to an album like I do with Rev rad. That is great that Homecoming is your song buy everyone has a right to their opinion Forever Now is for me quite personal too, like some other songs on the album. I mean that I can relate to some lyrics pretty well. Maybe I will stop listening to that album someday, people are changing, but now I just don't see it coming. This album is for this particular time in my life one of my favourite GD albums. Edited October 19, 2016 by Ellen Caulfield 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haushinka! Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 @Libertine Angel I just want to say that you made so many excellent points and I couldn't agree more! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 11 minutes ago, Haushinka! said: @Libertine Angel I just want to say that you made so many excellent points and I couldn't agree more! Thank you, not often I hear that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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