Tre_Archer Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I do think 21CB pales slightly in comparison to AI, but that's not to say that it's a sucky album. Sure it doesn't have a clearer linear storyline like AI, but I think the concept still works, even if it seems between the lines that the band was trying to replicate what they did in AI. The only real gripe I have with 21CB is pretty much on the technical side of things: the thing being somewhat kinda overproduced - Billie's voice sounding kinda filtered or something. Yeah 21CB certainly pales, because AI was a fucking masterpiece, one of the defining albums of the 2000s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I do think 21CB pales slightly in comparison to AI, but that's not to say that it's a sucky album. Sure it doesn't have a clearer linear storyline like AI, but I think the concept still works, even if it seems between the lines that the band was trying to replicate what they did in AI. The only real gripe I have with 21CB is pretty much on the technical side of things: the thing being somewhat kinda overproduced - Billie's voice sounding kinda filtered or something.Billie has been using filters since Nimrod/Warning (and really every album as any album with vocals has some kind of filters used during the mixing and master phrase) but on 21st the filter was supposed to be appearent if if you listen to the AI Acapellas you'll hear the same filters that was used on 21st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Yeah 21CB certainly pales, because AI was a fucking masterpiece, one of the defining albums of the 2000s. It pales but not because AI is a "masterpiece" but because it's just that bad. Also AI is full of "try to hard" generic songs with the "oh we hate war" theme all over, not to mention the awful singles like JOS. Wake Me Up When September Ends was the only good song on there.P.S. Keep in mind that I am a notorious AI hater on GDC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Disappearing Boy Posted August 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2015 Classic Seagull. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Jain Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 not to mention the awful singles like JOS.0_0 0_0.. JOS and Awful? looks like it's your Alarm Tone or something..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) It pales but not because AI is a "masterpiece" but because it's just that bad. Also AI is full of "try to hard" generic songs with the "oh we hate war" theme all over, not to mention the awful singles like JOS. Wake Me Up When September Ends was the only good song on there.P.S. Keep in mind that I am a notorious AI hater on GDCBesides Holiday, what songs do you classify as anti-war? Also, have you seen the video for WMUWSE? You can't get more anti-war than that. Edited August 9, 2015 by AlissaGoesRAWR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 What is so bad about an anti-war song, as long as it is done well. Holiday is done well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Yes, god forbid a song touches on one of the most impactful and harmful constructs that humanity has, war. I'd much rather hear another love song Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 one of the most impactful and harmful constructs that humanity hasSome might argue that describes love too 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Some might argue that describes love too Touche, my friend, touche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Akshat Jain Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Some might argue that describes love too They should probably be writing about "Enlightenment" then. How about Tre getting inside that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre_Archer Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 It pales but not because AI is a "masterpiece" but because it's just that bad. Also AI is full of "try to hard" generic songs with the "oh we hate war" theme all over, not to mention the awful singles like JOS. Wake Me Up When September Ends was the only good song on there.P.S. Keep in mind that I am a notorious AI hater on GDCNone of the songs (except Holiday) were anti war, at all. I would agree most have a political theme to go along with the JOS narrative (which is very good imo), they're not anti war. I don't understand, what did you want the album to be like? Dookie was 10 years ago at this point. Billie Joe was older, Green Day was older. They weren't able to make a song like Longview anymore cause that's not who they were anymore. Also, 2004 was a much different America than 1994. America was still reeling from 9/11. They had to make an album to define the times like they did with Dookie, and AI very much defined the times. I guess I can't convince you that AI wasn't bad; as you say you're notorious for that opinion. But just my perspective on AI. P.S. I didn't know there are people that exist that didn't like THE 9 minute masterpiece o_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlissaGoesRAWR Posted August 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2015 P.S. I didn't know there are people that exist that didn't like THE 9 minute masterpiece o_o There aren't. There are seagulls. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 P.S. I didn't know there are people that exist that didn't like THE 9 minute masterpiece o_o Every single time I listen to JOS I think "masterpiece". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Every time I listen to Sweet 16 (never) I think of that guy who said it was better than JOS and how he must be failing at life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Seagull Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Every single time I listen to JOS I think "masterpiece".Boooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Boooo the only reason for your saying so can be the fact that birds have no ears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtdaddy Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 JOS is the best green day song ever, period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre_Archer Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Boooo Why don't you like the song? I've never heard this side of things, should be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Oh come on, who the fuck is dissing JOS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I assume there's probably quite a lot of people out there who are fans of Green Day's earlier work and aren't fans of the grander stadium rock American Idiot/21st CB stuff. It's different so liking one doesn't necessarily mean liking the other. I doubt Seagull's the only one . But yeah hearing the reasoning behind the dislike for it would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 The reason is because people pay attention when you say a controversial thing and it doesn't take much effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 AI is great albumAI is great albumWell ummm.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Jain Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Well ummm....MEMORIES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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