WhiteTim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 No one will ever convince me the Trilogy wasn't over-produced. Sure there might not have been much done compared to the likes of American Idiot, but for the intended style it's unquestionably overproduced. The point being the production is too noticeable - it serves as a distraction rather than enhancing the songs. Songs in that sound of style shouldn't sound so damn clean and polished, because it just sounds artificial and takes away all impact. Demolicious is proof of that. As for clean tone that's not producers fault that's GDS fault The only thing that needed to be done was to lower the amount of Billie's vocal filters Music tracks weren't really produced much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Still, Demolicious (and live recordings of various Trilogy songs) show how the Trilogy had the potential to be something fun and enjoyable and quality before someone came along and sucked all of the life out of it. Cob Ravallo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I know this isn't going to happen again, since they have done it once before, but maybe they need to try another producer? I know Rob has been with them from the beginning, and has done some great work, but maybe the Trilogy is a sign that he is too familiar with them. Maybe they need a different ear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I mostly agree, but there's this carefree, spontaneous vibe you get from Demolicious that is completely absent on every single Trilogy song. There are none of those little imperfections that make music sound natural, it's completely sanitized. Yeah, I agree with that. But there was never really any reason they couldn't have put out something that sounded like Demolicious but more polished production-wise. They straddled the line between raw and polished for years (Dookie and American Idiot, for example, were perfectly balanced but still energetic and "punky") and I'm still at a loss as to what went wrong this time around. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Yeah, I agree with that. But there was never really any reason they couldn't have put out something that sounded like Demolicious but more polished production-wise. They straddled the line between raw and polished for years (Dookie and American Idiot, for example, were perfectly balanced but still energetic and "punky") and I'm still at a loss as to what went wrong this time around. Too far in one direction, basically. Demolicious is the other extreme, it's totally raw with minimal post-production of the sound. Something inbetween that and what we got would've been great. I know this isn't going to happen again, since they have done it once before, but maybe they need to try another producer? I know Rob has been with them from the beginning, and has done some great work, but maybe the Trilogy is a sign that he is too familiar with them. Maybe they need a different ear. You might be right, honestly. Just as long as it's not Butch Vig. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I know this isn't going to happen again, since they have done it once before, but maybe they need to try another producer? I know Rob has been with them from the beginning, and has done some great work, but maybe the Trilogy is a sign that he is too familiar with them. Maybe they need a different ear. Cob Ravallo is a fanboy yes-man. He needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Isn't vocal filter a means of recording and can't really be removed after the fact? And guitar tone is really a main issue. I'm just saying that it was recorded in a way that didn't give them the sound they wanted, and you can't edit that in. Depends on how Billie uses the filters he can have the filter on while recording or they could use it afterwards The amount they used was the same as they used for AI and 21st which is fine for those album cause you got the loud music masking the filter but when the band decided to use clean tones for whatever the fuck reason they needed to readjust the filters and they didn't The vocals are overproduced in that sense cause of it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 You might be right, honestly. Just as long as it's not Butch Vig. Here's where we fall out That said, it depends on what kind of album they want to go for. I'd like to see what Nick Raskulinecz could do for them. He did Stone Sour's Audio Secrecy and that's my favourite album ever purely in production terms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Here's where we fall out That said, it depends on what kind of album they want to go for. I'd like to see what Nick Raskulinecz could do for them. He did Stone Sour's Audio Secrecy and that's my favourite album ever purely in production terms. I mean, I think their biggest problem these days seems to be quality control. As I said, 21CB should've been shorter, and the Trilogy was just a fucking monument to an inability to self-edit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jirachi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 It's been said a fair few times before, but Demolicious is vastly superior to the actual released Trilogy. Now that you say that, Christian's Inferno could've been a good punk song without the chorus. Probably! They probably just saw the other songs were 3-5 minutes and thought that they needed to make every song that long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You might be right, honestly. Just as long as it's not Butch Vig. Vig is a GREAT producer Why would you not want a great producer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Vig is a GREAT producer Why would you not want a great producer? Vig IS a great producer, but I don't think his production style works for Green Day. Too overblown, too grandiose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I mean, I think their biggest problem these days seems to be quality control. As I said, 21CB should've been shorter, and the Trilogy was just a fucking monument to an inability to self-edit. I'd argue Nimrod was the first sign of them losing the ability to cut the shit, but yeah. As much as I love Breakdown there are a couple of absolute lemons on there. I don't even want to think about the Trilogy overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jirachi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I mean, I think their biggest problem these days seems to be quality control. As I said, 21CB should've been shorter, and the Trilogy was just a fucking monument to an inability to self-edit. Idk about too long, only song I would cut is MAYBE Christian's Inferno, 99% of the songs are so great that I wouldnt really want any of them cut tbh. I'd argue Nimrod was the first sign of them losing the ability to cut the shit, but yeah. As much as I love Breakdown there are a couple of absolute lemons on there. I don't even want to think about the Trilogy overall. Im fine with Nimrod being 18 songs mainly because its still decently short, around 50 minutes. If it was over an hour, yeah but idk i just dont mind. Take Back and Last Ride in are unneeded but I like everything else i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Idk about too long, only song I would cut is MAYBE Christian's Inferno, 99% of the songs are so great that I wouldnt really want any of them cut tbh. Okay, but you can't argue that the songs I mentioned before are AS good as songs like American Eulogy and 21st Century Breakdown. Like, if you have 18 songs written for an album, there's no way they're all representative of your best work. You need to cut out the stuff that's not so good. Release it as B-sides, play it live, but an album should be focused. Even the Clash, who I LOVE, who were incredible, put out Sandinista, which is just FULL of filler. It dilutes the impact, and makes the actual good songs on the record seem weaker by comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Vig IS a great producer, but I don't think his production style works for Green Day. Too overblown, too grandiose. Not all of Vigs albums are overblown Was 21st "overblown" yes but that's what the band wanted Vig works how the band wants a project to sound... If GD went in and said "we want this album to sound like AI and Exile On Mainstreet mashed together" then Butch is going to deliver that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jirachi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Okay, but you can't argue that the songs I mentioned before are AS good as songs like American Eulogy and 21st Century Breakdown. Like, if you have 18 songs written for an album, there's no way they're all representative of your best work. You need to cut out the stuff that's not so good. Release it as B-sides, play it live, but an album should be focused. Even the Clash, who I LOVE, who were incredible, put out Sandinista, which is just FULL of filler. It dilutes the impact, and makes the actual good songs on the record seem weaker by comparison. I think more than 18 songs were written for it and they just narrowed it down to 18 and thats the msot they could without cutting great stuff. not sure tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Not all of Vigs albums are overblown Was 21st "overblown" yes but that's what the band wanted Vig works how the band wants a project to sound... If GD went in and said "we want this album to sound like AI and Exile On Mainstreet mashed together" then Butch is going to deliver that Okay, so sure, I'd be up for hearing that. All I meant was, I don't want another album produced like 21CB. It was trying far, far too hard to be American Idiot Part 2. I think more than 18 songs were written for it and they just narrowed it down to 18 and thats the msot they could without cutting great stuff. not sure tho Yeah, you're right, but as far as I know, all the B-sides for 21CB, except for Hearts Collide, were covers. They didn't need to put all 18 on the record. Like, I honestly can't think of very many long albums that actually deserved to be long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I think more than 18 songs were written for it and they just narrowed it down to 18 and thats the msot they could without cutting great stuff. not sure tho I might be wrong but I think they wrote around 50? They could have easily got it down to 12 though. I would list my picks but I can't be arsed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jirachi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 . It was trying far, far too hard to be American Idiot Part 2. tbf i think thats what they were going for, they wanted to get all the rock opera/political/religion/anti war songs out of their system after AI so they can do something like their older stuff again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I might be wrong but I think they wrote around 50? They could have easily got it down to 12 though. I would list my picks but I can't be arsed I actually wanna hear your picks for a 12-song 21CB. Here's mine: 1. 21st Century Breakdown 2. Viva La Gloria! 3. Before the Lobotomy 4. Last Night on Earth 5. East Jesus Nowhere 6. Peacemaker 7. Murder City 8. Viva La Gloria? 9. Restless Heart Syndrome 10. The Static Age 11. 21 Guns 12. American Eulogy That right there is a strong fucking album. tbf i think thats what they were going for, they wanted to get all the rock opera/political/religion/anti war songs out of their system after AI so they can do something like their older stuff again I guess I just don't think "getting it out of your system" is a good excuse to write an album. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jirachi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Okay, so sure, I'd be up for hearing that. All I meant was, I don't want another album produced like 21CB. It was trying far, far too hard to be American Idiot Part 2. Yeah, you're right, but as far as I know, all the B-sides for 21CB, except for Hearts Collide, were covers. They didn't need to put all 18 on the record. Like, I honestly can't think of very many long albums that actually deserved to be long. Lights Out as well 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 If GD went in and said "we want this album to sound like AI and Exile On Mainstreet mashed together" then Butch is going to deliver that I WOULD KILL FOR THIS. Anyway, Lights Out is awesome, and the "private suicide" lines work well to tie AI and 21CB together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Okay, so sure, I'd be up for hearing that. All I meant was, I don't want another album produced like 21CB. It was trying far, far too hard to be American Idiot Part 2. I don't see it trying to be AI 2 if it was it would have had a storyline I WOULD KILL FOR THIS. Anyway, Lights Out is awesome, and the "private suicide" lines work well to tie AI and 21CB together. Billie keeps talking about doing a Exile sounding album for like 4 albums now seems he backs out everytime tho I actually wanna hear your picks for a 12-song 21CB. Here's mine: 1. 21st Century Breakdown 2. Viva La Gloria! 3. Before the Lobotomy 4. Last Night on Earth 5. East Jesus Nowhere 6. Peacemaker 7. Murder City 8. Viva La Gloria? 9. Restless Heart Syndrome 10. The Static Age 11. 21 Guns 12. American Eulogy That right there is a strong fucking album. I like that list 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Billie keeps talking about doing a Exile sounding album for like 4 albums now seems he backs out everytime tho He should damn well get on with it, Exile is a fantastic album. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.gif.fd4a16ffb8a93817d34274b30626f311.thumb.gif.7ba95fdd8f18803b599096fd7f2de0a3.gif)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.