WhiteTim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Why does everyone like 21CB so much? The concept aspects of it are incredibly forced, it's about 5 songs too long, and it's overproduced, just in a different way than the trilogy was. Cause it's not really a concept album It's supposed to be sound big production wise And trilogy wasn't overproduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Cause it's not really a concept album It's supposed to be sound big production wise And trilogy wasn't overproduced If it's not a concept album, the constant references to specific characters are unnecessary. I know it's supposed to sound big, I just don't like it. And yes it absolutely was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 If it's not a concept album, the constant references to specific characters are unnecessary. I know it's supposed to sound big, I just don't like it. And yes it absolutely was. If the trilogy was overproduced then AI is extremely overproduced as that had way more production done to it then the trilogy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jirachi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Nimrod > Warning > American idiot > 21st Century Breakdown > Dookie > Uno > Insomniac > Dos > 39/Smooth > Kerplunk > Tre Note that thats how much I enjoy listening to the albums not the ones I consider the best written/vocals, ect., that'd be something like American Idiot > Dookie > 21st Century Breakdown > Nimrod > Warning > Insomniac > 39/smooth = Kerplunk (Cant decide ) > Uno > Dos > Tre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Why does everyone like 21CB so much? The concept aspects of it are incredibly forced, it's about 5 songs too long, and it's overproduced, just in a different way than the trilogy was. 'Cause the songs themselves are all bloody good, regardless of anything else about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Why does everyone like 21CB so much? The concept aspects of it are incredibly forced, it's about 5 songs too long, and it's overproduced, just in a different way than the trilogy was. I would say it is differently produced. Billie's vocals are some of his best ever. There are some absolutely amazing lyrics on the album. There are so many different aspects to this album. YOu have the angry, get up in your face songs, such as Christians Inferno and Horsehoes and Handgrenades. Then you have a true ballad (done well) Last Night on Earth. Then they conquer Christian hypocrisy with East Jesus Nowhere and have a true anthem in 21 Guns. To sum, the album is a roller coaster that takes us through all sorts of musical styles while still maintaining the flow of a concept album. It shows just how diverse they can be. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 If the trilogy was overproduced then AI is extremely overproduced as that had way more production done to it then the trilogy... I'm not arguing about the amount of production on either album, I'm saying it was much more obvious on the Trilogy. AI sounds natural, even though I know there's a ton of production on it. The Trilogy is just too... clean. Like all the rawness got compressed out of it. That's what I mean when I say overproduced. 'Cause the songs themselves are all bloody good, regardless of anything else about it. Some of them are. American Eulogy and Restless Heart Syndrome are two of the best songs they've ever written. Other songs, not so much. Know Your Enemy, Christian's Inferno, Last of the American Girls, Horseshoes and Handgrenades, See the Light... those are B-side quality tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jirachi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Why does everyone like 21CB so much? The concept aspects of it are incredibly forced, it's about 5 songs too long, and it's overproduced, just in a different way than the trilogy was. In my opinion, the vocals are some of the best that he's done, Im not a major fan of Restless Heart Syndrome's lyrics at times but he puts so much emotion into it that I cant help but love the song. Its long without many filler songs, the only one I can think of is Christian's Inferno. I like the production on it, its not too overproduced but its still clean and sounds great. I cant think of too many things about 21CB I dont like. Its also varied, it has heavier and angrier songs but it also has sadder and slower songs, the songwriting is some of the best work they have ever done, and tis just an amazing album. My only real issue is the length at times, while there's no filler songs except maybe 1 or 2, it still takes a while to listen to which is why I go back to Warning or Uno more often since they're only around 40 minutes, I still love 21CB to death. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Some of them are. American Eulogy and Restless Heart Syndrome are two of the best songs they've ever written. Other songs, not so much. Know Your Enemy, Christian's Inferno, Last of the American Girls, Horseshoes and Handgrenades, See the Light... those are B-side quality tracks. KYE perhaps, but the energy makes up for it; the verses on Christian's Inferno are definitely great, See The Light and LOTAG are the weaker songs of the album but I still really like them, and H&H is just generally fun, the kind of sound that wouldn't be out of place on Nimrod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 KYE perhaps, but the energy makes up for it; the verses on Christian's Inferno are definitely great, See The Light and LOTAG are the weaker songs of the album but I still really like them, and H&H is just generally fun, the kind of sound that wouldn't be out of place on Nimrod. KYE is a fantastic live song, but it's just dull dull dull on the record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 KYE is a fantastic live song, but it's just dull dull dull on the record. It still has at least some of the energy it has live, so I think it's still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The Static Age is the most underrated song on the album. It should have been released as a single. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spike Posted April 28, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2015 No one will ever convince me the Trilogy wasn't over-produced. Sure there might not have been much done compared to the likes of American Idiot, but for the intended style it's unquestionably overproduced. The point being the production is too noticeable - it serves as a distraction rather than enhancing the songs. Songs in that sound of style shouldn't sound so damn clean and polished, because it just sounds artificial and takes away all impact. Demolicious is proof of that. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 No one will ever convince me the Trilogy wasn't over-produced. Sure there might not have been much done compared to the likes of American Idiot, but for the intended style it's unquestionably overproduced. The point being the production is too noticeable - it serves as a distraction rather than enhancing the songs. Songs in that sound of style shouldn't sound so damn clean and polished, because it just sounds artificial and takes away all impact. Demolicious is proof of that. Thank you for saying what I clearly lack the vocabulary to illustrate. For me, Demolicious is the best thing they put out since AI. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 While I think that 21CB (formerly 21st Century Letdown) was very preachy and forced and often over-complex to the point of making no sense lyric wise, I like the album because a lot of the songs are very creative and are a step forward for the band. They worked really hard on these songs and it shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The Static Age is the most underrated song on the album. It should have been released as a single. Great song, even better live. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 No one will ever convince me the Trilogy wasn't over-produced. Sure there might not have been much done compared to the likes of American Idiot, but for the intended style it's unquestionably overproduced. The point being the production is too noticeable - it serves as a distraction rather than enhancing the songs. Songs in that sound of style shouldn't sound so damn clean and polished, because it just sounds artificial and takes away all impact. Demolicious is proof of that. demolicious is some reaaallll shit and every time I listen to it I cry for what the Trilogy could have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 No one will ever convince me the Trilogy wasn't over-produced. Sure there might not have been much done compared to the likes of American Idiot, but for the intended style it's unquestionably overproduced. The point being the production is too noticeable - it serves as a distraction rather than enhancing the songs. Songs in that sound of style shouldn't sound so damn clean and polished, because it just sounds artificial and takes away all impact. Demolicious is proof of that. I have to agree with Tim that it wasn't produced just because I think he knows what he's talking about. I think it was just recorded improperly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jirachi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I like Know Your Enemy, I think its simplicity is so people can remember the lyrics better and sing along to it so they understand what tis about instead of not caring about the lyrics, kind of like how the instruments stop/get quieter with a lot of the lines on American Idiot, but thats just me and i doubt its what they were going for I do like how tis a sing along type song though, though Dirty Rotten Bastards kinda does the sing a long type song better since its more catchy but watevr Christian's Inferno's choruses dont bug me TOO much, I understand that its supposed to be a "Im fucking pissed off" type song so the choruses are simple, it seems like the kinda song you write when pissed off to get it out of your system so you didnt care much about the choruses, that or you wrote the song and saw its only 1:50 if you recorded it so you added the choruses to make it 3 minutes I love See The Light just because it uses the same melody as 21CB and Im a sucker for bookends like that I like Last of the American Girls, but I dont see it as single worthy, I wish they would have chosesn something else as a single. (Off topic but im still sad that East Jesus Nowhere didnt get a proper music video, im surprised about it seeing as from what I can tell Billie brought up that song a lot during the 21CB era.) I like H&H mainly for the same reason as CHristian's Infenro, its a good "Im fucking pissed off" song and its more clever than Christian's Inferno so I find it better. Idunno I just love listening to it when Im angry about something. ALSO I suck at voicing my opinion so i normally stay quiet but...yeah this may suck ro make no sense ;n; 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 It's been said a fair few times before, but Demolicious is vastly superior to the actual released Trilogy. Christian's Inferno's choruses dont bug me TOO much, I understand that its supposed to be a "Im fucking pissed off" type song so the choruses are simple, it seems like the kinda song you write when pissed off to get it out of your system so you didnt care much about the choruses, that or you wrote the song and saw its only 1:50 if you recorded it so you added the choruses to make it 3 minutes Now that you say that, Christian's Inferno could've been a good punk song without the chorus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 demolicious is some reaaallll shit and every time I listen to it I cry for what the Trilogy could have been. Although Demolicious is raw, the real album would never have been like that. I think Demolicious is primarily better due to the novelty factor, as most of the coolness of the demos has worn off for me. The only big difference is that the band seemed enthused and energetic in Demolicious and not at all during the actual finished recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I have to agree with Tim that it wasn't produced just because I think he knows what he's talking about. I think it was just recorded improperly. The recordings themselves seem fine for the most part. With the exception of the guitar tone, everything wrong with the overall sound could have been done differently at the mixing stage. Louder guitars, less of the vocal filter, punchier bass. It could all have been better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Although Demolicious is raw, the real album would never have been like that. I think Demolicious is primarily better due to the novelty factor, as most of the coolness of the demos has worn off for me. The only big difference is that the band seemed enthused and energetic in Demolicious and not at all during the actual finished recordings. That's true, I guess. Green Day would never put out something as raw as Demolicious as a "real" album. Still, Demolicious (and live recordings of various Trilogy songs) show how the Trilogy had the potential to be something fun and enjoyable and quality before someone came along and sucked all of the life out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The recordings themselves seem fine for the most part. With the exception of the guitar tone, everything wrong with the overall sound could have been done differently at the mixing stage. Louder guitars, less of the vocal filter, punchier bass. It could all have been better. I mostly agree, but there's this carefree, spontaneous vibe you get from Demolicious that is completely absent on every single Trilogy song. There are none of those little imperfections that make music sound natural, it's completely sanitized. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The recordings themselves seem fine for the most part. With the exception of the guitar tone, everything wrong with the overall sound could have been done differently at the mixing stage. Louder guitars, less of the vocal filter, punchier bass. It could all have been better. Isn't vocal filter a means of recording and can't really be removed after the fact? And guitar tone is really a main issue. I'm just saying that it was recorded in a way that didn't give them the sound they wanted, and you can't edit that in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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