UNICORN VOMIT Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Personally I don't think people should use the N word period Thank you Tim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spike Posted February 20, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2015 I am just asking though because I know some people didn't like when billie had the "spazzy" artwork thing going. Even as a joke would American's use the word "nigger". "Spazzy" was different because of the context though. In American Eulogy the context of "nigger" is derisive of those who actually use the word to demean black people, whereas the use of "spazzy" was straight up offensive as he was just throwing the word around like it meant nothing. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlissaGoesRAWR Posted February 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2015 This debate about using the N-word in American Eulogy reminds me of a story I wrote about a girl whose family sued a local school district for racial discrimination. Allegedly, students hurled the N-word on a daily basis while school officials sat by and did nothing. One administrator apparently even admitted she uses the word frequently herself. As I was preparing to write the story, I asked my editor if I should use the word "nigger," or write "N-word," or put "n-----," or some other censored form. He told me censoring the word diminishes the wrong these people did. He suggested I print the full word "nigger" when describing the allegations against the school officials, and I did. In printing "nigger," sure, I probably offended some people. But I wasn't printing it as my own words. I was printing it as the racist school official's words. The point is to make people feel uncomfortable by using the word in your quotation or paraphrase — to show how wrong it is when used this way. I think the same argument can (and should) be used for American Eulogy. Green Day obviously isn't saying it in the manner rappers or racist white people do. The band included it in lyrics as a quotation, while quoting a mentality the song is clearly against. The point is to make you uncomfortable by using the quote. Fuck, the phrase is even put in quotation marks in the lyrics, which rarely happens: Fight fire with a riot The class war is hanging on a wire Because the martyr is a compulsive liar, when he said "It's just a bunch of niggers throwing gas into the ..." So, yeah, my conclusion: The point of the lyric is to make you uncomfortable, but not with Green Day. You're supposed to be mad at the "martyr/compulsive liar." 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Since we're on the subject of American Eulogy I just want to point out how awesome that verse is. The lyrics are good, but primarily the way Billie rattles off far too many syllables a line is epic. You just think he's gonna take a breath and he keeps going through the next chord change. That kind of delivery is really appealing to me, which is probably why my favourite album is the Manics' Holy Bible. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Even 25 years ago, when sometimes you couldn't understand a word Billie was saying, he could interpret a song. His delivery of a song has always been amazing. My personal favorite delivery is Whatsername. The semi-monotone is perfect. But, I have a question. I am really not familiar with the incident with the word "spazzy". How was it used and why was it bad? Over here, it is not bad to use that word. People will say someone is a spazz joking around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Even 25 years ago, when sometimes you couldn't understand a word Billie was saying, he could interpret a song. His delivery of a song has always been amazing. My personal favorite delivery is Whatsername. The semi-monotone is perfect. But, I have a question. I am really not familiar with the incident with the word "spazzy". How was it used and why was it bad? Over here, it is not bad to use that word. People will say someone is a spazz joking around. It wasn't that big of an incident, he posted a cartoon of himself that he drew on Instagram and called it "spazzy". In the UK people with cerebral palsy used to be called spastics, but then people started using "spastic", "spaz" and "spazzy" as insults which was obviously offensive towards people with cerebral palsy and is still considered as being offensive here, so a few people from the UK objected to it in the comments section. I believe in the US the word spastic was never a common term for people with cerebral palsy and is used as an insult only in reference to its original meaning of anything that has sharp jerky movements so it doesn't have that offensive connotation. So it was a cultural difference really. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 It wasn't that big of an incident, he posted a cartoon of himself that he drew on Instagram and called it "spazzy". In the UK people with cerebral palsy used to be called spastics, but then people started using "spastic", "spaz" and "spazzy" as insults which was obviously offensive towards people with cerebral palsy and is still considered as being offensive here, so a few people from the UK objected to it in the comments section. I believe in the US the word spastic was never a common term for people with cerebral palsy and is used as an insult only in reference to its original meaning of anything that has sharp jerky movements so it doesn't have that offensive connotation. So it was a cultural difference really. That seems right. As far as I know, I have never heard it used for someone with cerebral palsy and it is not offensive here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Since we're on the subject of American Eulogy I just want to point out how awesome that verse is. The lyrics are good, but primarily the way Billie rattles off far too many syllables a line is epic. You just think he's gonna take a breath and he keeps going through the next chord change. That kind of delivery is really appealing to me, which is probably why my favourite album is the Manics' Holy Bible. Agreed, the delivery in American Eulogy is brilliant. Also, now that you've mentioned it, I listened to The Holy Bible and that's pretty damn good too (though at times a bit too metal-esque for my tastes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 If you look at DOS from a purely instrumentation standpoint, its one of Green Days finest. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 If you look at DOS from a purely instrumentation standpoint, its one of Green Days finest. Yep. It really isn't though. 1. See You Tonight - Completely uninteresting half song. 2. Fuck Time - 2 chords and a blues riff older than Billie Joe. Shite. 3. Stop When The Red Lights Flash - I'm pretty sure I came up with this riff 5 years ago and thought it was rubbish. I'm suing. 4. Lazy Bones - A shitter version of Give Me Novacaine and another Green Day song. Can't remember which one. 5. Wild One - Does this song even have a melody? 6. Makeout Party - See SWTRLF 7. Stray Heart - It's Mother Mary, which is also a rip off. Next. 8. Ashley - Don't remember what it sounds like. Something something Michael Jordan? 9. Baby Eyes - Main riff is alright, don't remember any other part of the song, so I'm assuming it's rubbish. 10. Lady Cobra - 2 chords. Fuck off. 11. Nightlife - Same decent bassline for 3 minutes, nothing else. 12. Wow! That’s Loud - Hook is decent, but much like Baby Eyes the rest is completely forgettable. 13. Amy - That cringe inducing bridge. No thanks. While it might be more varied than Uno, Dos is just too shit to be considered instrumentally impressive. Tré is far superior, and half the songs on it are shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Instrumentation-wise how could anyone think Breakdown isn't their best? Probably followed by Warning and then Tre. But Dos is way down. It's exactly the same kind of setup as Dookie but without the good songs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I loathe their cover of Like a Rolling Stone. One of the fantastic things about the original is that all the instruments blend into a cohesive whole but you can pick out one thread in particular and listen to it in isolation as it does its thing for the whole song--the liquid organ riff, the piano, the lead guitar, bass, rhythm guitar, Bob's voice. In Green Day's cover the whole thing is just utterly buried under a wave of guitar. Also, let's face it, Billie is better than Dylan technically when it comes to vocals but he can't come close to the passion Dylan put into his vocals on this particular song. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I loathe their cover of Like a Rolling Stone. One of the fantastic things about the original is that all the instruments blend into a cohesive whole but you can pick out one thread in particular and listen to it in isolation as it does its thing for the whole song--the liquid organ riff, the piano, the lead guitar, bass, rhythm guitar, Bob's voice. In Green Day's cover the whole thing is just utterly buried under a wave of guitar. Also, let's face it, Billie is better than Dylan technically but he can't come close to the passion Dylan put into his vocals on this particular song. Billie is better in what way? Singing I would agree with but I would seriously disagree on other ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Billie is better in what way? Singing I would agree with but I would seriously disagree on other ways Oh yeah, vocals are all I meant by that. Dylan knocks him off the map everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I couldn't disagree more! Not really interested in comparing covers to originals in terms of which is better but on its own I think it sounds great and Billie puts plenty of passion into it. I think it's the third best cover they've done after Working Class Hero and A Quick One. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngreendayvet Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Lil Wayne also likes to rhyme about Billie "I smoke that Green Day, I’m on my Billie Joe I’m a dog bitch: B-I-N-G-O" I used to hate lil wayne, but I looove him I Got Some Money on Me and some others now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I loathe their cover of Like a Rolling Stone. One of the fantastic things about the original is that all the instruments blend into a cohesive whole but you can pick out one thread in particular and listen to it in isolation as it does its thing for the whole song--the liquid organ riff, the piano, the lead guitar, bass, rhythm guitar, Bob's voice. In Green Day's cover the whole thing is just utterly buried under a wave of guitar. Also, let's face it, Billie is better than Dylan technically when it comes to vocals but he can't come close to the passion Dylan put into his vocals on this particular song. It's been longer than I can remember since I listened to it, so I found it on YouTube to refresh my memory, and I agree with you after the first 10 seconds or so. It'd be perfectly fine if it was a Green Day song, but it's not, and it loses what makes it such a great Dylan song. Plus there's a glaring absence of "PLAY IT FUCKING LOUD". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Stacy Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I couldn't disagree more! Not really interested in comparing covers to originals in terms of which is better but on its own I think it sounds great and Billie puts plenty of passion into it. I think it's the third best cover they've done after Working Class Hero and A Quick One. On that note, I actually think their cover of Working Class Hero is actually better than Lennon's original. The more powerful instrumentation I think lends itself better to the message than the original, which to me is just kind of quiet and plodding. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 On that note, I actually think their cover of Working Class Hero is actually better than Lennon's original. The more powerful instrumentation I think lends itself better to the message than the original, which to me is just kind of quiet and plodding. Their cover of A Quick One is also better than the original. The increased energy level works very well. I thought the original tended to drag in spots, where GD's version moves from beginning to end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Their cover of A Quick One is also better than the original. The increased energy level works very well. I thought the original tended to drag in spots, where GD's version moves from beginning to end. It's better than the original studio version, but The Who's live version blows both out of the water.https://youtube.com/watch?v=R0JHM0Q8JKQ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 It's better than the original studio version, but The Who's live version blows both out of the water. That performance blows most performances of anything ever out of the water, to be fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I think I've finally come to terms with the fact that AI has fallen to #2 in my GD album ranking. Vive la Nimrod.! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Stacy Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I think I've finally come to terms with the fact that AI has fallen to #2 in my GD album ranking. Vive la Nimrod.! I'm not sure Nimrod tops AI for me, but I do think it is one of their best. Could've trimmed some of the fat though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 I'm not sure Nimrod tops AI for me, but I do think it is one of their best. Could've trimmed some of the fat though. Failing to trim the fat has always been a problem they've had. Part of what makes AI so powerful is that it's just the best of the best with no filler whatsoever. As far as Green Day albums go it's unique in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I'm not sure Nimrod tops AI for me, but I do think it is one of their best. Could've trimmed some of the fat though. Totally true, but between this album, The White Album, Tusk and Exile on Main St. I guess I'm just a sprawling album kinda person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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