Beerjeezus Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 They are two sides of one person. JOS is Mr.Whiny and Jimmy's the cocky one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 They are techincally same, so what difference is there? JOS and St. Jimmy are polar opposites of each other, with St. Jimmy being the dark side of JOS (and arguably a completely different character). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Oh, so AI is just a rip off of Fight Club? Guess that's shite now too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1969 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 JOS and St. Jimmy are polar opposites of each other, with St. Jimmy being the dark side of JOS (and arguably a completely different character). You're absolutely right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Certified Nimrod Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I'd say that just naming the album "American Idiot" is pretty damn political, more so than just having a couple of political songs. Or it could be referring to the character who is an idiot that is American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armatage Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Completely missed the point Was referring to what DookieLukie said, which was that what Ceadog said was subjective when it was just notes My problem with this is that it implies literally no song can be bad because of subjectivity. That's just crazy. I say more than that and you know it Google is your friend, use it Yeah, I know, it's kinda hard to wrap your head around it. It sucks knowing that even worst pop music cannot be deemed bad given the objectivity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Or it could be referring to the character who is an idiot that is American. It could be, but since it's also the first track, which is definitely political, I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Oh, so AI is just a rip off of Fight Club? Guess that's shite now too I think so. It's too similar to be a concidence, but the Fight Club story is still much better. When I was reading I couldn't stop comparing it and kinda couldn't find many differences. St. Jimmy doesn't make soap, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Man, why did I waste my time reading 10 pages of another poorly constructed trilogy debate? My only input on the only points I remember reading that are worth addressing: • Having a Blast probably wasn't a big deal at the time of its release because the world wasn't so sensitive about its topics. Post-9/11, people tend to get much more offended by those types of expressions and tend to over-censor everything, as to not offend. Not saying it's right or wrong, it's just a fact about U.S. culture now. • Dirty Rotten Bastards is basically terrible. Just because something tries to be epic doesn't mean it succeeds. In fact, trying almost ensures failure and a try-hard vibe. • Haushinka is fucking brilliant, and I agree with Graham — that bridge might be one of my favorite moments in a Green Day song ever. Again, it didn't try to be epic... it just subtly succeeds. • Pulling Teeth is also great and highly underrated. Along with Sassafras Roots. • Although Fuck Time is tons of fun, and I don't mind the recorded version too much, it did lose some of its magic when it became a Green Day song and it really isn't "deep" enough (no pun intended) to be over-analyzed. It's just a song about sex. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yeah, I don't understand the AI story either www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA8v3B1SxR0Why did you have to remind us all that that pile of shite exists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Man, why did I waste my time reading 10 pages of another poorly constructed trilogy debate? My only input on the only points I remember reading that are worth addressing: Having a Blast probably wasn't a big deal at the time of its release because the world wasn't so sensitive about its topics. Post-9/11, people tend to get much more offended by those types of expressions and tend to over-censor everything, as to not offend. Not saying it's right or wrong, it's just a fact about U.S. culture now. Dirty Rotten Bastards is basically terrible. Just because something tries to be epic doesn't mean it succeeds. In fact, trying almost ensures failure and a try-hard vibe. Haushinka is fucking brilliant, and I agree with Graham that bridge might be one of my favorite moments in a Green Day song ever. Again, it didn't try to be epic... it just subtly succeeds. Pulling Teeth is also great and highly underrated. Along with Sassafras Roots. Although Fuck Time is tons of fun, and I don't mind the recorded version too much, it did lose some of its magic when it became a Green Day song and it really isn't "deep" enough (no pun intended) to be over-analyzed. It's just a song about sex. Personally I think Fuck Time would've lost its magic even if it was recorded under Foxboro I think it's one of those songs that requires it to be live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Personally I think Fuck Time would've lost its magic even if it was recorded under Foxboro I think it's one of those songs that requires it to be live Yeah, that's basically what I meant. Although I don't personally have a problem with listening to it recorded, I can see why some people might prefer it to be live-only. I'd gladly sacrifice Fuck Time's studio version in exchange for a recorded version of Cigarettes and Valentines any day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Certified Nimrod Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd gladly sacrifice Fuck Time's studio version in exchange for a recorded version of Cigarettes and Valentines any day. When the Trilogy was first announced, I thought for sure that Cigarettes and Valentines would be on one of the albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 When the Trilogy was first announced, I thought for sure that Cigarettes and Valentines would be on one of the albums. It would've been a standout on any of the albums, for sure. Not saying C&V is necessarily a masterpiece, but it's significantly better than most trilogy songs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Man, why did I waste my time reading 10 pages of another poorly constructed trilogy debate? I would've rebutted some of it to class things up but I promised myself I'd only post my cut&paste trilogy debunking once a month :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 But seriously, what's the random "Hello" for in "Wild One" Literally no one knows or cares because it's not worth taking the time to figure out. This is "Wild One" we're talking about here, not "Jesus of Suburbia" or Hamlet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 i still like wild one I still like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walking_c0ntradicti0n Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 i still like wild one i still think the lyrics suck ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Literally no one knows or cares because it's not worth taking the time to figure out. This is "Wild One" we're talking about here, not "Jesus of Suburbia" or Hamlet. All the great works in history: the Mona Lisa, Hamlet, Citizen Kane, DOS,... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 All the great works in history: the Mona Lisa, Hamlet, Citizen Kane, DOS,... I'd say Dos ranks with The Room, Battlefield Earth and Plan 9 from Outer Space, myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd say Dos ranks with The Room, Battlefield Earth and Plan 9 from Outer Space, myself. I was being sarcastic lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I was being sarcastic lol I know, I was continuing the light-hearted mood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd say Dos ranks with The Room, Battlefield Earth and Plan 9 from Outer Space, myself. Oh god Battlefield Earth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Oh god Battlefield Earth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Platypus! Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 i still like wild one Me too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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